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PRIVACY Issue/Concern. T&FH Consultants. CONTACT US; &,TEMPLE & FAMILY HISTORY NETWORK, in "FamilySearch", display FULL Name of CONSULTANTS

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"Privacy" Issue/Concern:

Temple and Family History Consultants:

Both, (1) the "Contact Us"; and, (2) the Church "Temple and Family History Network", in "FamilySearch", which obviously obtain the "Names" from the Church "Membership" Records, lists/displays the FULL Name of "Temple and Family History Consultants", this is a "Privacy" issue/concern.

Regardless, that the list/display of "Temple and Family History Consultants" in, both, (1) the "Contact Us"; and, (2) the Church "Temple and Family History Network", in "FamilySearch", is ONLY available to "Members" of the "Church", the FULL "Name" of the "Consultants" should NOT be listed/displayed, only the "First" and "Family Name/Surname" of the "Consultants" need be listed/displayed.

The list/display also includes the "Telephone" and "E-mail Address" of the "Consultants", if available.

Hopefully, the "Name"; plus, the "Telephone"; and, the "E-mail Address" (if available), details, are ONLY listed/displayed if the Member/Consultant has made their details PUBLIC, to Church Membership, in/through "LDS Tools".

The principle enhancement request is to please ONLY list/display the "First" and "Family Name/Surname" of the "Temple and Family History Consultants" in, both, (1) the "Contact Us"; and, (2) the Church "Temple and Family History Network", in "FamilySearch"; and, also please ensure (which I suspect) that the "Details" ["Name"; plus, the "Telephone"; and, the "E-mail Address" (if available)] of "Consultants" is ONLY listed/displayed, in "FamilySearch", if the Member/Consultant had made their details PUBLIC, to Church membership, in "LDS Tools".

As an aside; and, at the same time, a further enhancement request is to please list/display ALL "Temple and Family History Consultants" of a Member User's/Patron's Ward/Branch under "My temple and Family History Consultants"; under the "Contact Us" sub-menu; under the "Help" menu, rather than the ONLY two (x2) with a "more" link, which is relatively easy to miss (ie. GET RID of the "more" link altogether; and, just list/display ALL).



'Thank You' in advance.

Brett
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    Not a privacy issue, Brett. The consultants can request that their information not be displayed.
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  • Tom

    Lets hope that if a Member "Consultant" decides to make their "Details" as NOT "Public", to Church membership (ie. "Private" - Leaders Only), in/through "LDS Tools" (ie. LDS.org); then, that carries across to "FamilySearch" - it would be interesting to know for sure.

    Whereas, I am sorry; but, it IS a "Privacy" issue/concern, despite whether or not it is "Private" in/through "LDS Tools" (ie. LDS.org); as, the "Full" Name of "Consultants" should NOT be listed/displayed in "FamilySearch", in public, for any reason, even if it is only to Members of the Church.

    Brett

    ps:

    What ('on-line') provision is there that enables a "Consultant" to request that their "Details" (ie. Information) not be listed/displayed in "FamilySearch"?

    I know of none, save it be through a 'Support' Case!

    pps: I much preferred by First "Removed" response - you should not have removed it.
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  • It is handled locally, Brett. This is a function of the Ward and Stake of which the consultant is a member.

    It has nothing to do with FamilySearch, and everything to do with local leadership. When called, the consultant is set apart and their calling, because it is a public calling, is then available for the local people to see.

    Can you see my calling from your location? If so, take a screen shot of the entire browser page.
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  • Tom

    I am sorry; but, this is NOT something that is simply handled "locally" at the, Ward/Branch; and/or, Stake/District, level - where the Member is a "Consultant".

    This has EVERYTHING to do with "FamilySearch"; and, much less with the "local" Leadership.

    'Yes', you are correct when you indicate that a 'Calling' is "Public" to the "local" Church membership of a Ward/Branch; and, where appropriate, Stake/District, where a Member's name is proffered and sustained; but, that DOES NOT mean that, if the Member so desires, that their personal details have to be made "Public" in the local Church "Directory" (ie. LDS Tools / LDS.org); or, on "FamilySearch", regardless if they are a "Consultant" or not.

    Take a look at your own "LDS.org" Account, under "Contact Setting" where you can "Select [a] Privacy Level", the options being:
    (1) Private - Leaders Only; or,
    (2) Ward visibility; or,
    (3) Stake visibility.

    And, 'No', I cannot see your 'Calling'; as, I am NOT a Member of your Ward/Branch; and/or, Stake/District - that is being ridiculous.

    Whereas, I do not consider that I am being ridiculous with raising this post, in this Forum; and/or, the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum.

    And, 'No', I am NOT "... way off topic ..." with regard to FamilySearch"

    I had purposefully not responded since my first response to your "Reply", last night; because, I had a theory; and, wanted to "Test" that theory with another Member of my Ward, who I knew would most likely be at the "Family History Centre" this morning.

    And, since my "Testing" I am even more concerned that ever with regard to "Privacy", NOT ONLY in "FamilySearch"; but, NOW with "LDS Tools / "LDS.org".

    For "Testing" purposes, I had my "Privacy" Level in "LDS.org" set to "Private - Leaders Only", with my expectation being that not only would my details NOT be available in/through, "LDS Tools"; and/or, "LDS.org", to my Ward/Stake; but, also in "FamilySearch", as a "Consultant".

    I was surprised; but, more so concerned in that in, "LDS Tools"; and/or, "LDS.org", my details could be seen by the other Member of my Ward (who is not in a Leadership position) when they were signed in separately; and, also the fact that my details appear for Members of my Ward in, "FamilySearch", as a "Consultant" - despite the fact that my "Privacy" Level is/was set to "Private - Leaders Only" in "LDS Tools"; and/or, "LDS.org".

    My initial concern in this post was only a minor one about including the "Full" Name of "Consultants" (ie. listing/displaying "Middle" Names); but, now, this minor concern is a major concern about "Privacy" 'per se' in/through, both, "LDS Tools" / "LDS.org"; and, "FamilySearch".

    It seems a little bit of a 'double standard' here, with regard to wielding the "Privacy" 'stick' when Members of the Church are asking to be "linked"/"Connected" to their immediate "Family" WITHOUT having the need for "Living" DUPLICATES through "Private Spaces"; and, with regard to NOT wielding the same "Privacy" 'stick' when the "Full" Name of ("Living") "Consultants" (ie. listing/displaying "Middle" Names) are being listed/displayed - even worse if they have set their "Privacy" Level to "Private - Leaders Only".

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    Julie

    Certainly, most "Consultants" do/would want other Members of their Ward/Branch to be able to "Contact" them, in person; or, on the telephone; or, via e-mail - that is NOT the initial issue/concern here in this post.

    But, we (and the Church) MUST respect those Member "Consultants" that WANT to keep their details as "Private" (ie. NOT "Public" to Church membership), for whatever reason (and, there are many).

    And, this does not mean that those Member "Consultants" who WANT to keep their details as "Private" (ie. NOT "Public" to Church membership) are not will to "Help" other Members, on a 'one-on-one' basis at home or at the Chapel; and/or, at a "Family History Centre", they just do not want their details to be "Public" to Church membership.

    'Yes' you are correct when you indicate that "... There are a lot of places where people can access more than your name and phone number ...". I too "... know how to do it and that has enabled me to help people find their living family members..." In fact, we actually got to meet in person, "Living" Descendants, all around the World, in our travels recently - they were amazed that I was able to "Track" them down - it was not hard. But, that does not mean that the Church, through, "FamilySearch", should just capitulate and make it easy to do so.

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    Brett
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    Brett.

    FamilySearch does not issue the T&FH Consultant calling. It is a local matter.

    I asked you to see if you can see my name from your location. You did not answer which I take to mean that you cannot.

    Therefore, you need to realize that the people who are called and are revealed are not revealed to the world, but to the local members.

    Just as is the case with LDS tools and the membership information, which includes who is called to what positions, this is something that is under the control of the Church Leadership.

    You really do need to take this up with your local leadership and not continue to deal with it in this (or a community) forum. Previous discussions of this nature have been deleted by FS as inappropriate.
    • If you are not aware, the LDS Tools for the local unit can only be viewed by those who are members of that local unit. That information is not public.

      The same is true for the "Contact Us" information, which is why you cannot see my name from your location, just as I know that I cannot see those who are called as T&FHC in the other ward in our building.

      I'm not sure that non-members can even view those of the local unit who are displayed on the Contact Us page.

      If you are concerned about your own name showing up and do not want it displayed to the members of your local unit, that is your concern.

      I am with Juli. Getting members to contact me for help is something that is almost impossible to accomplish. We've done a lot of things, including special Priesthood classes in the our building's Family History Center, passing out instructions on how to do research, and so on.
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  • Brett
    I realize that some people do not want 'other's' to have their contact info for several reasons

    "But, we (and the Church) MUST respect those Member "Consultants" that WANT to keep their details as "Private" (ie. NOT "Public" to Church membership), for whatever reason (and, there are many)."

    With that said, maybe it would be best for you to step down from your calling, considering this is one calling where members in your Ward need to be able to contact you.

    As Tom said, this is a local leadership issue, not a Family Search Family History one. This is one molehill that doesn't need to turn into a mountain. Go to your Ward President and talk to him about this. Tell him your concerns.
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  • Your contact info is shared with members of your local unit. If you don’t want your full name showed you can change that contact info. It’s pribably defaulted from your membership record at the start.

    There are multiple levels of different data on your membership. Like your age and birthdate is only seen by members in your local unit who gave a leadership role.

    And there your own personal info that only very limited roles can see, like your membership info the ward clerk can print for you.

    What is shown is determined by membership department and FamilySearch adheres to their direction.
    • As far as age, et al, In the lds.org directory, the only things that show are the household address and phone number, and the names of the members and their callings.

      Joe, this may be a recent change, but on lds.org, I can see (only) my personal membership information. I cannot see that information for anyone else.
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