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Problem: Limitation of not being able to save pdf documents in Stories in a Persons Memories

I refer my question in relation to Alexander James Beer (GMDG-KKF). Recently, I compiled a Word document that contained the military history of an Australian soldier in WW1 from his enlistment to his time in England and France before he was killed. The Word document contained photos, images of documents including Red Cross interviews with certain members of his Unit as to how he died and where he was hastily buried. I then converted it to a .pdf document. Though it is a document, it really is a "STORY" of this person’s military history in WW1 before he was killed. I could save it to the Document Section of his Memories, but could not save it into Stories, where its rightful place should be. There was some information in Help that suggests this it is currently not possible to save a .pdf file into Stories. I would like to suggest to FamilySearch to rethink the possibility of this to be able to happen. When patrons take the time to document as much of the historical information gathered from their families and outside Sources into a 'story' format that includes photographs etc., but not exceed the current 15Mp limit, then I think it is a lacking feature of FamilySearch. I hasten that I have many other "Stories" like this to be saved into a person’s Stories Section, but it frustrates me that we cannot use the Stories section in a person’s Memories as the rightful place to have such history recorded. Could FamilySearch consider this avenue as suggested to enhance the lif'e story of an indivual
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Richard Brearley
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  • This has been under consideration for some time. The idea is being investigated.
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  • It certainly would be welcomed for many and provide the means adding in additional historical information and even colloquial stories about an ancestor's life. I would also like to be informed of any announcement of impending implementation.
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    Richard Brearley
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  • I think one of the beauties of stories as they are now is the ability to add/edit them over time. A PDF doesn't have that same capacity. I suppose they both have their place and purpose.
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  • I would love to see pdf allowed! I have scanned a lot of historical information and saved it in pdf because it takes up so much less room.
    • You can upload it as a document. The original requestor was interested in putting the information specifically as a story. Much scanned information for a historical nature, I believe belongs in documents rather that stories. For example I am scanning a Missionary Journal and will place it in a document rather than a story. It contains some stories but as a whole is is a document not a story.
    • Stories in FamilySearch are really biographical stories about the person's life experiences. According to Wikipedia quote "A biography, or simply bio, is a detailed description of a person's life. It involves more than just the basic facts like education, work, relationships, and death; it portrays a person's experience of these life events. Unlike a profile or curriculum vitae (résumé), a biography presents a subject's life story, highlighting various aspects of his or her life, including intimate details of experience, and may include an analysis of the subject's personality.

      Biographical works are usually non-fiction, but fiction can also be used to portray a person's life. One in-depth form of biographical coverage is called legacy writing."

      So when one writes a story about a real person in your Family Tree, it can be very long, depending on the work one wants to put into it. As is the case of Alexander James Beer's military experiences that resulted in his death, this could be considered one short story of his total life's experiences and events, but important as a stand alone period in his life. Yes it contains documents in the story, but this adds in the colour of the person, the time period and what he was experiencing, the impacts and results.
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    Just remember that the rules for formatted documents change over time depending on the group controlling that formatting. For example, Word is controlled by Microsoft and Postscript type documents are controlled by Adobe. Their formats continue to change over time so eventually tools for viewing really old versions will not be able to display them. When archiving Postscript documents (like the .pdf) there is a special ISO standardized version suitable for archiving but not all .pdf generators create files in that format.

    Anyone try reading some Word-Perfect documents lately?
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    • I undertand, but don't understand software engineering. But a concern you raise is that even pdf documents currently stored as Sources in Memories could also be affected. That is a problem for FamilySearch to cogitate on and explore solutions for the futures way ahead. I would expect they may not have even thought of this problem as yet.
    • If they are letting those kinds of documents in, they may or may not consider it an issue, I just don't know. For really long term storage of digital documents, straight text in in ascii files using 8 bit ascii character codes is the best. Jpegs are probably best for images. Furthermore, they take up a tiny fraction of the storage space that the same thing does as a Word or PDF document.

      When I did a lot of assistance to some of our configuration management departments, one of the things was that ALL general documents being archived had to be stored in the ISO standard PDF format (I forget which standard number it was). That PDF format is supposed to be maintained over time to support archiving. That format was NOT always the default formate for PDF generators. Adobe marches on updating and tweaking Acrobat to do all kinds of things that eventually lead to modifications of the PDF format. If I understand it correctly though, the ISO standard version is not to be messed with unless it is guaranteed backward compatible.
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  • That is the beauty of a pdf as it is write protected by the author. They can be changed or challenged by collaborative discussions to update or even amend some facts or suggest to add in anectdotal stories that others may have that can certainly add to the biographical story of that person. Familyr Searchess collaborative tools are ideal for this purpose in talking to the author.
    The author should retain the Word document on their computer for such amenments that may come through as aforementioned
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  • Ok, so my question now is, when I scan in letters written by someone else, but that gives information about other family members. I have scanned literally hundreds of pages but put them in pdf form to save space and share with other family members. When uploading those in documents do I tag the author of the letters (she is deceased and I have gotten permission from the others who are still living) and the ancestors talked about? I am guessing that is a yes, that was my plan anyway. I want credit given where credit is due and this lady who was doing the research and writing the letters in the 70's and 80's did a lot of work.
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