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I’m VERY, EXTEMELY, FRUSTRATED.

PROBLEMS WITH NAMES IN INDEXING! I WISHED ALL NAMES ARE PUT IN ONE FIELD.

I HAVE COMPLAINED AND HAVE COMPLAINED OVER THIS ISSUE! ACCORDING TO YOUR RULES, I HAVE FOLLOWED THEM THE BEST I CAN, BUT I STILL PONDER MANY QUESTIONS REGUARDING NAMES. QUESTIONS 1 HOW TO TELL IF THE NAME IS A LAST NAME OR NOT, YOUR RULES SAY TO PUT ALL OF THE NAME IN THE GIVEN NAME IF YOU CAN'T TELL. IN MOST CASES IT IS EASY TO TELL, BUT SOME TIMES IT IS NOT. 2. IN SOME PARTS OF THE WORLD THEY INCLUDE THE MOTHER LAST NAME AS THE CHILDS LAST NAME. EXAMPLE SPANISH NAMES. 3. REFERING TO QUESTION 2 OR OTHER WORDS ADDING, WHEN YOU USE THIS AND WHEN NOT! AND ON SOME PROJECT THEY HAVE DUEL NAMES LIKE De Los Reyes, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN TO PUT A NAME LIKE THAT.
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  • S.,
    I'm sorry your feeling frustrated on this one. You are correct, most Spanish speaking countries use two surnames. There are some exceptions, like Argentina. It helps a lot when you know the culture and language well. Most Spanish arbitrators are able to tell because they are very familiar with the culture and with what names would be given or surnames. However, then there are situations like some of our Portuguese projects, where even the native patrons can't always agree on what is the given or surname.
    Cultural differences can complicate this. For example, with Portuguese surnames, the mother's surname is usually the first surname of the child, and the father's surname is usually the second. In Spanish, this is the opposite, and the father's surname comes first. In Iceland, patronymics are still used, and the surname is usually derived from the father's given name. In the US, generally only the father's surname is kept, and the mother's surname is dropped. Working with Indian names (referring to Native Americans) is another beast all together.
    Because of this, I would not be able to give you a perfect answer that will work in every situation. A lot of it is just becoming familiar with a given culture, and not giving up. If you get it wrong, try to take it as a learning experiences. However, I am going to share something that I have found quite helpful in almost all situations. That is to look at the parents' names. Sometimes you are able to tell because the name is being shared. Now, this isn't always true. For example, both my dad and I share the name Tommy, but it is our given name. But it helps in a lot of situations. See the example image below. Click here for an animated version (if you have a whole 9 seconds).
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    • Here is how you can help Change the Rule to Say all of the name goes in the given field. Read below.
    • This is an idea I can definitely pass along. Although, I don't have the ability to make this change on my own, nor do I think this is something that would happen any time soon.
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  • Wake up and think about this (1) all a person has to do is put the all the name in the given name field, and keep hitting feedback. (2) all a Arb has to do is put all of a name in the given field. (3) if a Arb does this you can't take their rights away.
    (4) if you do take their rights away you aka the church could get in a little hot water, for many reasons, and it makes the church look bad.
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  • Sorry, maybe I'm not understanding what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that we should always put the full name in just one field?
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  • The reason we do our best to separate it by given and surnames is to increase the searchability of the record.
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  • it would be nice if we could just put the name in one field, for many reasons, the Point I am saying is you really need to improve your rule on names, for many reasons. when people look at the image and the names are really close together it is hard to tell which is which, and where to put it. Their is also many conflicts with how your rule works. please review your rule and improve it. The Reason why I say the church can get in a little hot water, is becasue all a person must do is contact the press and social media and other forms of communication and then you will have to answer questions more Publicly then here. Their needs to be one standard for Names, globally and not two, you also need to make it a easier for people to understand thy rule, and not have a conflict. This goes back to the reasons of what I have said above and if you can't tell you what the name should be.
    • Thank you for the clarification. I've passed this on for others to review. If there is any updated, I'll keep you posted. Like I said, I don't know if this is something that will be changed any time soon, but we are going through lots of changes. I think that would be the biggest hurdle, is just making sure that we could make it compatible with search.
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  • Tommy Thanks must really look at this, It is a massive issue, I try not to make a big deal out of stuff, some times I find things and that really need to be fix and explain why. suggestion I would put with this is to tell people on which project the rules apply. In most case the Basic rule of being able to tell which is which will apply, this is because of how the record, says last name, and a name can be found under it.

    thanks again.
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