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Reserve your names before you get a permission, then release the names to you when a permission is received or 110 years have passed.

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    It is a nice idea, but permission must be granted before any action can be taken, including reserving the proxy ordinances.

    While reserving ordinances for your ancestors, you may come across a "Permission Required" warning. This means that the ancestor was born within the last 110 years and that permission must be granted by the closest living relative before the name can be reserved for temple work. -- https://www.familysearch.org/ask/sale...

    There are several issues at hand:
    * It is entirely possible that a close relative will join the church and want to do the ordinances for their family themselves. In most cases, they cannot perform the proxy ordinances for a full year.

    * Permission may never be granted for the work to be done. Absence of a "no" is the same as if the close relative(s) said "no."

    * I have followed the thinking that those on the other side of the veil will put pressure on their close relatives to do the work for them. Performing temple proxy ordinances is an act of charity (love) and that love goes both ways. As such, I will research out and make the record as complete as possible for deceased relatives, but with the exception of my own immediate family (parents and siblings), I leave the person's ordinances open. I have plenty of other relatives who were born more than 110 years ago that need their work done.
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  • Thank you so much for your reply.
    Okay. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
    I am asking for a step in between, were you reserve your close relatives until you either get a permission from even closer relatives or 110 years have passed from their birth.
    And while still in this step, some distantly related people cannot take the name away from you, while you are getting to know the closest family of your close relative and getting a permission. But you can't do the temple work either! Of course not! I am not asking to break any rules, but make it easier to keep them!
    So you cannot do the temple work until on the next step, where either you get the permission or the 110 years have passed and your close relative name comes to YOUR temple list and doesn't disappear into the unknown.
    Do you understand what I mean?

    It is to keep the temple ordinances as much as possible in the closest family, who even knew them, and are ready to do their work in the temple! It is to do the Lord's work within families, as much as possible! To keep the records as organized as possible. The House of the Lord is a house of order <3

    Thanks again so much for your reply and your time.

    Best regards,
    Sylvía Hilmarsdóttir.
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  • So that is an answer to your first paragraph. I am not asking to get a permission to do the temple work before I get a permission, but to be able to protect the names on my list until I have fully made them ready.

    The next paragraph. Yes, I am fully aware of this, and that is why I am asking for a second step in the process, because I don't want to lie and say that I have a permission before I do, just to be sure I will have the name on my temple list, but maybe you will leave me and everyone else with no other choice than to do that :/

    If the children of my father's cousin would join the church and want to do the work themselves, that would be so wonderful, and that is why I mention that even though you have reserved the name and haven't received the permission yet, and even if you would have the permission, closer relatives could write to you and ask you to give the names to them <3

    Thanks again so much for your reply and your time.

    Best regards,
    Sylvía Hilmarsdóttir.
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  • If a permission is never granted, your relatives would not get lost in the system, they would appear as ready on your temple list 110 years after the person's birth and you would know immediately and be able to do the work for your close relative as soon as you are allowed to <3

    Thanks again so much for your reply and your time.

    Best regards,
    Sylvía Hilmarsdóttir.
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  • And I love your last sentence! If everyone would think that way, there wouldn't be such a need of protecting your closest names, because they would still be available. but the step I am asking for would still be so very helpful, so the names would not get lost <3
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  • I have felt the pressure from my relatives in the urge of getting their work done!
    That is why I have almost not been able to eat or sleep for about four days now, I just need to be able to fix this and to be able to do their work in the temple <3
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  • I am asking for this, because of love, love for God and His work, in families, love for my close relatives and love of all men <3
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  • I have felt the pressure from my relatives in the urge of getting their work done!
    That is why I have almost not been able to eat or sleep for about four days now, I just need to be able to fix this and to be able to do their work in the temple <3
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  • I have found close family names that were reserved by random people in faraway countries more than two years ago and I cannot reserve them and do their work now because of that.

    I am asking for this, because of love, love for God and His work, in families, love for my close relatives and love of all men <3
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  • I know families are important, and if you can put in close relatives and make sure to keep them close until you have received a permission or 110 years have passed, that would be a blessing to so many people who love genealogy and temple work <3
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  • I hope you understand what I mean and I hope you will reconsider <3
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  • I think this could save people from a lot of work and heartaches <3
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  • I wrote one long reply, but only a part of it seemed to appear each time.
    I am so sorry for so many replies. I just felt all of the comments needed to be adressed here.
    Best regards,
    Sylvia.
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    • Thank you, Jeff. My concern is mostly about being able to reserve your close relative names you put into Family Search before someone not related to them does it. That would maybe happen mostly 110 years after their birth, but could also happen if you get the permission needed from even closer relatives before there are 110 years from their birth. I wasn't thinking of the process of receiving the permission from Family Search, but to be able to keep the names organized and kept where a close relative can do their work, when they are ready for it. Now I can see that the permission process is hard too. Thank you so much for your help, Jeff Wiseman.
    • One other thing to consider is that the system is sort of set up so that you aren't supposed to really reserve names until adequate information, evidence, and sources have been documented for an individual to justify having their ordinance work done. Reserving names before sufficient info is documented in their profile is normally not a really good idea. Later on you may discover that the person you reserved no longer exists because that PID was merged into another one. This can happen when someone was trying to add additional information and doing corrections on them. In that case, your reservation is still attached to the PID that was deleted during the merge.

      You will have a reservation on someone that technically doesn't exist anymore.
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  • This is the idea! I can't see the whole thing up in the box :o
    I have this wonderful idea!
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  • Well, the policy is pretty clear. And, at this point, even if permission is granted, Family Search now validates that permission was granted. They want to prevent the kind of reservations that you have noted in the past.

    The permission needs before the name can be reserved for temple work. That is the statement in the policy article at https://www.familysearch.org/ask/sale.... In the past, when policies of this nature have come up, we have been told that these are not set by FamilySearch, but by the "Brethren" and dictated to FamilySearch by the Temple Department.

    What we really need is some kind of flag so that when the 110-year rule has been met in terms of time, we can then go in without having to have received permission to reserve the proxy ordinances for the person.

    Since I use a family tree management program, I can set up a search to produce all the names that I have synchronized with Family Tree that have passed the 110-year mark from their birth and use that to pull up the name and reserve the ordinances. Even if I set up a search, I'm not sure that I will remember to run it on a regular basis.

    Rather than depend upon an external program it would be so much nicer to be able to set a personal flag so I am notified when those I want to do proxy ordinances for have reached the 110-year mark from their birth.

    The flag needs to be personal, rather than invite a blanket email like the campaigns that notifies us when a person can have their proxy temple ordinances performed.
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  • I don't know how you can write a long coherent answer and mine are always cut in the middle with something taken out of it, so I will write many smaller answers, so that words won't be lost from the middle.
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  • It seems like you understand what I want and have the same goal. You want to be able to do the proxy work for your closest relatives when you either have received a permission or the 110 years mark has been reached. I want that too, for me and all others who love to take their family names to the temple.
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  • I thought it might be pretty simple, but I am not a programmer, to be able to do this within the Family Search system, so that you wouldn't need an extra management program or flag the names of your relatives that aren't ready yet, but you would have them on your temple list as soon as they were ready.
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  • I have no interest in changing the policy that the brethren have given us!
    I don't want to fake a permission. I am asking for this middle step of having it reserved UNTIL it is ready, either after getting the permission or the 110 years have passed.
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  • If it is impossible to do this within the Family Search system, by just making this extra step in the process, can you teach me (and everyone else) how to flag the names or use this extra management program or tree search, or what ever needed, so the same thing I am asking for can be done in a different way?
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  • So that I can put my family in Family Search, flag their names if I can't reserve them yet, and get them back to my temple list when they are ready?
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  • Maybe the flag system you are talking about is exactly the step I am talking about! :D Reserving the name before getting a permission and be able to get the name on your temple list when it is ready. Isn't that right? Aren't we talking about the same thing here?
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  • and what is this family tree management program called that you use? :D
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  • As a kind of a perfectionist, it is really hard to see that only the first line of the great idea appeared in the box and then not being able to write the two comments I have made in only two boxes. I feel like I look like a maniac :/ but I can't change this :( I can only write a few lines without risking losing some of the lines in the middle. I suggest that would be fixed too ;)
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    I created a Google calendar called 110 year temple work and when I work on a person in FamilySearch who is not yet 110, I add them to the calendar with their 110 year birthday.

    I can see everyone who is in the calendar.

    I have also set up the calendar to email me the day before they turn 110 so that I can check to see if there is anything I may still need to do to perfect their record. Perhaps there are now new sources that weren't available 5 years ago when I added them to the calendar. Perhaps there are other users who have added new sources or memories.

    And perhaps someone closer related may have already reserved them in this time frame.

    If not, then at midnight UTC time on the 110th birthday, the ordinances become available to be reserved and then I reserve them.

    Or, I have had much success in finding the closest living relatives and asking their permission.
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    Sylvia and Brett and anyone else who is interested.

    This is what I do with my 110 Year Temple Work Calendar:

    http://revealingrootsandbranches.blog...
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      'Thank You' so much.

      Had a quick look, the best.

      With participating in the Forum on a regular basis, you do not get much "Family History" work done, do you.

      Will look through that post in your 'BlogSpot' in depth, when I get a chance; and, I hope that you do not mind if I use it to Help others if they ask - I think that I will just direct them straight to you 'BlogSpot'.

      As I already indicated, I hate having to 'reinvent the wheel'.

      Again, 'Thank You'.

      Brett
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  • Sylvia,

    If this suggested capability were built into the tool, it would create a situation where if someone had locked up (or "reserved") a person, and then if they passed away, or just got busy with other things in their life, nobody else would be able to get at that person's data for updating purposes, etc.. At least not without a bunch of hassle by having to go through FS customer service. That is why even now, if you reserve a name, the system only lets you hold it in reserve for 2 years before releasing it from your reservation. The way it works now is less involved and a bit cleaner.

    By the way, not sure what is happening to your posts. There may be something funny in your browser configuration that is contributing to it, or some kind of timeout is happening. I noticed that several of your original posts ended with a ". Not sure what that is but you might try typing your whole response into a text editor first, and then when finished, just copy and paste the whole thing into the comment or reply box. This is a great way to avoid timeouts and if something goes wrong, you still have a copy of your full text on your computer..
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    • Re: your posts, this last one did not have any paragraph breaks in it which may be why it worked! The problem seems to be around those breaks. It's sort of like every time you hit "Return" (or "Enter") your browser is acting like you are hitting the comment or reply buttons. Do you have separate "Return" and "Enter" keys on your keyboard? Sometimes they are treated differently depending on your software. I.e., Where "Return" would be a line break, "Enter" might be a "submit form" action.
    • Yes, it really helps, at least most of the time, not to press "enter". Thank you so much for your concern and help, Jeff!!! I really appreciate it!
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  • I’m Hopeful it helps, and the great suggestions by others. Somethings I never thought of.
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    Sylvia, I see your point a view, not to be rude, the church goes based off the day, I can understand if you want to reserve it a few days before, but you really not need to do it any eariler, if I was you I would try some of these People suggestions, and just find a way to reserve the names a day or two before the 110, other than that I really would not worry, cause People can't do the name, unless they have special permission. good luck Pray always. I personally think one of these ideas is your answer to your pray on this issue.
    • Thank you so much! Yes, the church goes based off the day, and now I have put some of my close ancestors in my calendar, to be able to reserve them when they hit the 110 year mark, if I haven't received a permission before that date. Yes, I guess it works that people put their ancestors in their calendars, but I would still recommend this option in the system. That would be so nice and easy. Now I also have to teach all my friends who are new members and want to keep their family names, how to do this and how to put it in their calendar, to make sure they remember when they can reserve their close relatives. I will do that until this will be added into Family Search, because I think it is just a matter of time. It will happen <3 Love, Sylvia.
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  • Dear someone.
    It is not just about being able to reserve your family names right before the 110 year mark. That would be a hassle too to keep track of! It is more about not losing your names you have worked on, and especially not losing them to other very distantly related people, just because you missed your uncle's 110 year birthday... Do you understand?
    And yes, people CAN do the names as soon as your uncle turns 110 if you miss to reserve him on his birthday :( That happens a lot, not just to me, and I find it sad :(
    There are a lot of ideas people have used to fix this problem. The reason I come up with this idea is to make it easier for everyone to keep track of their closest relatives in the simplest way. That is all. I see a problem and I want to fix it ;)
    It would be so great to be able to do this within the system of Family Search and not have to use all kinds of other trixes, but I will let them do until this will be a part of Family Search :D
    Kindest regards, Sylvia.
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  • You assumption is that it takes a long time to get the names released to you. If you have the appropriate permission (from a closest living relative) my understanding is that requests are processed in a timely fashion usually within 48 hours so what is the justification for adding an additional layer of reservations and the code necessary to reserve and release the names. It seems like a wast of time and energy for the development team. We have so many other - unsolved issues -- that I cannot see any justification for redoing the process. If it took months to obtain permission then maybe your solution would be justified but given the current process of permission granted within a few days (provided the appropriate information is provided) I see no reason to introduce a change of this type.
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  • Dear Gasmodels.
    Thanks. Yes! You do understand!
    Well, for me, some of my second cousins I know almost as well as my own siblings, other cousins I have had to try to get in contact with and get to know and honestly, it has taken me too long to get the courage to go to all the closest relatives and start getting the permission. It surely takes me more that 48 hours and sometimes it has taken me more than two years... That is because none of my close relatives are members of the church or even know about the church, except for my children and father, so trying to teach my closest family that the church is not dangerous and that it is a really good thing for their parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts and uncles, to get baptized in the temple, yes, after they die, is really a process for me! That is why I would like to have this safe time, where I am not losing my uncles and aunts to total strangers, while spending time on getting to know their children.
    Then I would either be brave enough to get the permission and my family could do the work in time, or when the 110 years have passed, the names would stay INSIDE of the family and be done by their closest family members who are already members of the church <3
    It would safe a lot of heartaches!
    Thanks for understanding, Gasmodels.
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