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Super Helpful Idea for Secure Way to Add Living Family Info

I would LOVE it if you could develop a way for living family members to add each other via their PID. I understand the importance of that private space and would suggest making it more secure by having the request for information require an approval from the person who's information you are requesting. So they have to verify its release and maybe so they could even revoke it. It would save a lot of triplicate work by all siblings, parents, and grand parents who are all wasting time entering the SAME information or encouraging them to not enter it until after they are deceased. You could even lock it so that the living person is the only one that can edit the info.

I think it is a HUGELY desired feature that would welcome with open arms.
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  • Welcome to the community support forum for FamilySearch. FamilySearch personnel read every discussion thread and may or may not respond as their time permits. We all share an active interest in using the resources of this site and as users, we have various levels of knowledge and experience and do our best to help each other with concerns, issues, and/or questions.

    The following are my opinions on the matter and what may or may not happen.

    The privacy law issue is still being explored by FamilySearch for ways to implement sharing living person data, but we users have not been told if any progress has been made toward a viable solution.

    Since Family Tree is very public and international in scope and access, sharing of living person's information must be tightly controlled and in compliance with the strictest privacy laws. Thus the private spaces that at least allow us to enter living persons into the tree.

    If there is a way to share even limited number of living persons (by relationship, for instance), and still comply with all the laws, then I am sure that a way will be developed to do that.

    But the real problem is that as internet access grows, there are even more concerns about privacy being raised and new laws enacted. Trying to get even one-step ahead of the creation of new and more restrictive laws could impact the reality of the situation.
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  • Thanks for the reply Tom! Yeah I agree that there is surely sensitive data but I cant see why I should not be able to share that data with someone I wish to share it with. Especially if like I had mentioned in my idea that you first of all have to give permission and then secondly that you could revoke access if you so desired.

    Having complete control of where that info appears seems to be pretty air tight as far as information and privacy security and laws are concerned. Fingers crossed that there is significant movement on this.
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    Jonathan

    This has been requested countless times, this is not new.

    Here is a post of mine, of some 4 Months ago

    Any progress/update on LINKING/CONNECTING directly with OTHER living Users/Patrons (ie.FAMILY)-to get rid of our (known) current DUPLICATES?

    https://getsatisfaction.com/familysea...

    As 'Tom' has already inferred the myriad of "Privacy" Laws in countries and unions throughout the World has made this matter very complex indeed.

    And, we have been informed by "FamilySearch" that the possibility for such as you and others (like me) want/request is being considered against the myriad of "Privacy" Laws in countries and unions throughout the World; but, will take some time.

    You are not alone.

    We can live in hope.

    And, will just have to be patient.

    I hope this helps.

    Brett
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  • Thanks Brett. Haha! I will live on in Hope!

    I know that the desire to do this isn't new, as you mentioned, I have several friends and family that all want the option too! I did think though that I hadn't heard anyone giving any solutions to the problem. Lots of complaining not much that was constructive.

    Be the change you want to see in the world, right? :)

    So I thought I would post and offer an idea for a solution to appease all of the laws and things that people on here seem to think are impossible to comply with or only to be addressed by those who are in the back rooms working on this.

    I would love to hear how my owner controlled information release system violates any of the aforementioned laws. I believe it is a huge step in the right direction... it does require some more refinement of course but it does seem to be pretty sound as a concept.

    Yours in solidarity and hopeful patience-

    Jonathan
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  • Jonathan

    You should see some of the previous other posts.

    Very heated.

    Very contentious.

    Some want; whereas, others do not want.

    Some (like me and other Members of the Church) had "Living" immediate Family CREATED by "FamilySearch"; and, we want to CRUSH Our "Duplicates"; as, "Family Tree" is NOW (ie. these days) for, both, the "Dead" and the "Living".

    Whereas, some do not really want the "Living" included unless absolutely necessary to create a connection to various "Branches"; certainly, not to make "Family Tree" for the "Dead" and the "Living."

    I understand, to some degree, their concern, the prime factor being "Privacy"; and, possible "Theft" of "Personal" information and data - quite valid.

    How strong can "FamilySearch" make things, 'Hm'!; but, as we all know, nothing is impregnable, given time.

    It is not the concept, that is not sound.

    It is the myriad of "Privacy" Laws in countries and unions throughout the World to overcome; and, the ability to make the "System" SAFE and SECURE (as much as humanly possible, anyway)

    I am always the optimistic pessimist

    Brett

    I lack patience; hence, I get very annoying and irritating when I am "pushing" my pet peeves.

    And, I have been inform that I am so very annoying and irritating.

    Such is life - that is just me.
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  • I hear you Brett- I want change to happen quickly and highly value large amounts of transparency and communication.. I am a communications major actually who was elected twice as student body president because no one else would make change happen as quickly as I wanted it to. :)

    I think my suggestion allows the users personal information to be lawfully secure as it would be completely controlled by them and obeys all privacy laws.

    No one can add or access their info unless they grant you access to it by giving you their Personal Id and then accepting your request for it once you request it through your tree.

    No one can edit your information as it would be locked to only you being able to edit it.

    No private data is out there that is visible to anyone accept those who you trusted with it... just like with thousands of other entities.

    I don't see how it could be contended as an nonviable solution but I would love to hear others ideas so that we can make it stronger. After all I understand that you don't have to be the smartest person in the room you just have to surround yourself with the smartest people to succeed.

    - Jonathan
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    Your suggestion if very similar to one I made before. It would be based upon the method that Ancestry users when a user wants to share a tree with another user (and reveal living person's records).

    The users who had a living person in their system will invite another user to view and edit the living person's account. That user then must accept the invitation before they can view the living person's record.

    The element that seems to be needed is the invitation to access a record that I have control over that I send to the other user(s). They would have to first ask me to invite them so the process would look like this:

    User1 wants access and asks me (User2) for an invitation.
    I (User2) invites User1 to access that record.
    User1 accepts the invitation
    User2 is notified by FamilySearch that User1 accepted the invitation.

    At that point, either I (User2) grant permission or FS grants permission.

    When User3 comes along and wants access, the can request the invitation from either User1 or me (User2). That now allows User3 to have equal access just like User1 and myself (User2).

    User4, User5, User6 . . . Userx can gain access via same methodology.

    That is the methodology that I believe can work without violating any existing laws of privacy.
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