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Wait for church to record death or set up a public entry for familysearch?

A young man in our ward ended his life, and I suggested to the family following the funeral in which tons of young men and women attended that they make their son's "page" on familysearch available for people to upload memories about this young man.

But it occurred to me afterwards that perhaps the church records may create an entry that can't be merged into a page the family sets up (and so, can't publish a link to the current page, as possibly evidenced with the problem with merging I came across earlier this week)

Do you need to have the church record the death officially first? How does the family link to this entry? Or is there an entry to link to?

I luckily grabbed a copy of all our ward's familysearch users when it was briefly posted online a few months ago (I'm the ward temple and family history leader), and see he is listed on it.

What is the process (if any) that the parents can do to access this young man's account, to put in his date of death, and use his own page to promote upwards, since his account would be linked to church records?
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    Anyone in the family could mark their private record if him as deceased making that record public. Other family members could post on that public record.

    Going forward when his ward clerk marks him deceased, or other family members mark their copy of him deceased, then all these records would need to be merged, leaving one public record for him.
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  • Thank you Beth Ann. I'm aware of what should happen, but I had an odd merge issue appear earlier this week, which might throw this into question.

    We haven't had an understandable answer as to why a merge may not succeed in this manner.

    See this thread: https://getsatisfaction.com/familysea...
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  • Justin

    As I indicated in your post of:
    Merge error message - whaaaaa?
    https://getsatisfaction.com/familysea...

    The "Surviving" individual/person in "Family Tree" of a "Merge" / "Combine" MUST always be that of the official Church Membership Record of the individual/person; and, ALL other "Duplicates" in "Family Tree" MUST be subordinate to that of individual's/person's record in "Family Tree".

    For example, the official "Me" from Church Membership Records SHOULD be the "Surviving" individual/person; whereby, the other six (KNOWN) "Duplicates" of me are subordinate to the official "Me"; and, as such, they would become the "Deleted" or "Archived" individuals/persons.

    Brett
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  • Thanks Brett. I didn't recall seeing your clear explanation there. (I do remember your not accepting the conditions of not being able to swap positions.)

    I looked again, and saw you had replied 31 minutes before I started writing this, so I've missed that. But then you mentioned this use case as being the only reason why this COULD happen.

    So... is that a certainty now?

    If that's the case, then what I think I'm hearing you say is that the parents need to try to get into their (now deceased) son's familysearch account, add the death date (assuming the church accepts it if it hasn't been provided by the church first), and it gets made public.)

    Of course, why don't I look to see if it's already been made public?

    [insert hold music here]

    Hmm... nope, not up yet. (I left a message for the ward clerk to see if it will be entered soon)

    Hopefully we'll get a definitive answer on this item, which could also explain the merge error message seen earlier this week.

    (There's a part of me that thinks I've been allowed stumble into this error message as a pre-cursor to this death within our ward.)

    Thanks again for your faithful service Brett, and I look forward to more interactions with you.

    Justin
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    • Well, I'm inclined to believe it could be as simple as the records clerk at our ward hasn't updated the records yet, given the death occurred after last Sunday, and funeral (and I presume burial) was today.

      Sounded like an awesome kid! I'm grateful for the tender mercies of the Lord in situations like this.
    • I seriously doubt that the circumstances surrounding any member's demise would impact when the Church record became marked as deceased. To me, this is entirely a matter for the Ward / Mission branch clerk and when he gets around to marking the record.
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  • On the surviving record... I'm not sure what is going on. I ran into a situation with a couple who were not church members but who did have their ordinances completed where their sex was correctly identified. Duplicates which I had to correct the sex existed (from the old nFS system) which I then attempted to merge. I hadn't been particularly careful with the male and so likely set up the merge with the ordinances completed record on the right and the recently corrected record on the left. The system wanted me to switch the two for the merge, which I did. Now the record's ordinance page is marked with the ordinance information being unavailable.

    So this may have to do with which record has ordinance information, or it could have to do with a record identified as a Church member.
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    Justin, three comments for the various issues that have come here:

    1) If this young man's parents did have his account name and password and could go into FamilySearch has him, they would find that it is impossible to add a death date to your own record. Which does make sense when you think about it. No one but the actual account holder should be signing in to an account and you can't enter your own death date.

    2) A quick check to see whether a death date has been recorded by the ward clerk would be to check in the Tools app. Since you are in his ward, you should be able to see under his family whether he is still listed or not.

    3) I have run into the needing to switch sides before merging about twice in the past few months, not often enough to see any pattern. However, what I have seen, is that is makes no difference. Everything merges together just fine. Sometime it does mean you have to move more things from right to left but that is a minor issue. The only difference at the end of the merge is the surviving ID number and the primary change log.
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  • Gordon,

    Why didn't I think of that!? (#1). :-)

    "Faking your own death"
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  • The surviving Person in a Merge does not have to be the FS membership contributed Person.
    The Ward Clerk has to mark this member's membership record as deceased.

    There are many instances where family members have created a relative when they are living and have added information, sources and memories to them. When a member is marked deceased by the ward clerk, that person will now show up in FS FamilyTree. That FS contributed Person has basic information but may be way less detailed than their duplicates created by relatives.

    In this case most users will Merge and keep their "duplicate" and merge away the FS contributed Person since it is so minimal. That is perfectly acceptable. 
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    see the change log
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