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When are Corrected/Amended Transcription Errors that have been updated+appear in "FindMyPast" going to be updated+appear in "FamilySearch"?

When are identified "Transcription Errors" in "www.FindMyPast", that have been subsequently corrected in; and, now appear ( ie. updated ) in "www.FindMyPast", going to flow through and appear ( ie. be updated ) in the corresponding existing "Source" records in "FamilySearch"?

For some time now ( many years ), I have identified POSSIBLE "Transcription Errors" in "www.FindMyPast"; and, I have advised "www.FindMyPast" of those POSSIBLE "Transcription Errors". In the great majority of cases, those "Transcription Errors" that I have in identified and advised of, have been CORRECTED; and, those CORRECTED transcriptions have been updated and now appear in "www.FindMyPast".

I am NOT talking about days or months ago, I AM talking about Years ago.

I have, in the past, been advised by 'Support' of "FamilySearch", that periodic updates of CORRECTED / AMENDED corresponding existing record "Sources" are received from "www.FindMyPast" by "FamilySerach" .

BUT, to date, I have seen NO evidence on any of the "Transcription Errors", that I have in identified; and, that have been CORRECTED ( ie. plus updated ) and now appear in "www.FindMyPast", appearing ( being updated ) in the corresponding existing "Source" records in "FamilySearch"!

Questions:

( to 'Official "FamilySearch" Representatives', rather that just 'Support' )

DOES "FamilySearch" receive periodic updates of CORRECTED / AMENDED "Existing" record "Sources" from "www.FindMyPast"?

IF, "FamilySearch" DOES receive periodic updates of CORRECTED / AMENDED "Existing" record "Sources" from "www.FindMyPast", are those CORRECTED / AMENDED "Existing" record "Sources" applied to the corresponding existing "Source" records in "FamilySearch"?

If, DOES NOT "FamilySearch" receive periodic updates of CORRECTED / AMENDED "Existing" record "Sources" from "www.FindMyPast", WHY is "FamilySearch" not actively seeking such updates of CORRECTED / AMENDED "Existing" record "Sources" from "www.FindMyPast"?

How long will it be before Users / Patrons see the updates of CORRECTED / AMENDED "Existing" record "Sources" in "www.FindMyPast" appearing in the corresponding existing "Source" records in "FamilySearch"?

Thank You.

ps:

Please be advised that I am NOT talking about Users / Patrons having the ability to CORRECT or ADD an alternate heading or details to a "Source" in "FamilySearch".
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  • Brett, do the changes appear in the records search on FS? I doubt they will ever automatically transfer to already-attached source citations. I believe source citations are static and reflect the state of the database at the time they were created. I know that things I attached years ago that had "pal"-style URLs still have those same old addresses in the source citation, and while clicking the link updates the new tab's address to the "ark"-style, it does not update the citation.
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    • Brett, I didn't say anything about indexing. I'm aware that you're talking about records that FS gets from FMP. I'm asking whether the updates show up on FS if you search the records now (https://www.familysearch.org/search/). If not, then I don't know what to suggest, but if yes, then you probably need to manually go through and update all the source citations you've attached to FS FT, because as far as I know they will not automatically refresh to reflect revised data.
    • Juli

      The updates appear in "FndMyPast"; but, No, the Updates do not subsequently appear up in "FamilySearch" - "WHY NOT?"; that is, what I want to find out in relation to this Post! - 'Support' suggests periodic updates are received by "FamilySearch" - why haven't they been applied!?

      Yes, I add a note advising of the "Transaction Error" within the "Title" of the "Source", that I have attached to the individuals / persons in "Family Tree".

      Whereas, I should not have to; if, the updates, were applied to "FamilySearch".

      And, as we all know many Users / Patrons do not always read; and / or, often dismiss, such notes.

      I do not except the updates in "FindMyPast" to automatically appear in "FamilySearch"; but, I would have hoped ( more so expected ) the updates to be received from "FindMyPast" by "FamilySearch"; and, subsequently, the corresponding "Sources" in "FamilySearch" to be updated - not so, does not appear to be happening.

      I just want the matter commented on by an 'Official "FamilySearch" Representatives' who is related to the matter at hand.

      Brett
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  • Indices from external (non-FamilySearch sites) are provided by that external site. FamilySearch has the option to accept and integrate the new index of not bother with it.

    The U.S. SS Death Index is updated regularly and for the most part, the FamilySearch copy of that index is current, according to what we have been told.

    As far as other site indexes, such as Find a Grave, a lot depends upon the site and whether or not the make available a current, revised, or new index.
    • Tom

      I am well aware of what you have posted in your comment.

      But, I principally want the matter of updated records in "FandMyPast" being (1) received by and (2) applied to, "FamilySearch", commented on by an 'Official "FamilySearch" Representatives', who is related to the matter at hand.

      'Thank You'.

      Brett
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  • Brett

    Sad that you have still not received your requested response to a perfectly valid question - hopefully there is time yet for a FamilySearch employee to respond.

    My experience with how updated FMP records impact on their presentation in FS is mainly related to the England & Wales census collections. I believe Robert Kehrer once explained, in answer to a query I raised, that the way any revised records came across was down to FMP.

    For example, sometimes the URLs remain the same for the individual records from the census. This is usually a good situation, because I have not had to take any action when members of the whole family have been added to the individual: when I have later clicked on the source, there is the updated version. However, on a couple of occasions the revised version (e.g for the 1881 census) has come across as if it were a new collection (with different URLs for each record). This has meant I have had to add possibly hundreds of "new" records as sources and delete the "old" ones, when the attached URLs no longer are linked to the actual record. A third scenario has been when the older source DOES still have a link to the record in its earlier format - as in the case of 1851 census records. So then there are two records for my relatives who appear in the 1851 census - one detailed and one with rather less information. In this case, I have to either delete the earlier record from the sources section or edit the headings to "old version" and "new version".

    This is probably another of those cases when a FamilySearch representative will respond by saying whatever happens with the "corrected" versions of the records you mention is down to Find My Past - whereas FMP would possibly argue otherwise!
    • Paul

      'Thank You' for your comment to my post.

      Yes, I am well aware of the often two and, even, three references, for the "Sources" within "FamilySearch" of the "1881 and 1851, Census' of England and Wales". I ensure that all such references are, attached; and, retained, with notes included with the "Titles" as to the particular situation with each reference. I do not like to "Detach" such attached "Sources", whether "Active" [ Original ( often the earlier/older FHL Film ) or Duplicate ( usually later/younger FHL Film ) ] or "Retired". I also request that any "Source" that has been "Retired" not be "Detached", so as to keep/ensure a "Historic" reference.

      Yes, the records have been updated in "FindMyPast"; but, no the URLs in "FindMyPast" did not change with the updates.

      And, Yes, I have also checked and re-checked ( many times ) "FamilySearch", to ensure that any such updated records from "FindMyPast", did not re-appear in "FamilySearch" with/under new/different URLs.

      Lets hope that an 'Official "FamilySearch" Representatives' who is related to the matter at hand eventually does participate in this post.

      Brett
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    Still NO comment from an 'Official "FamilySearch" Representative'.

    Brett

    ps: I would truly appreciate a comment from an 'Official "FamilySearch" Representative' who is working in the area of "FamilySearch" related to the subject of this post.
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  • It depends on the contract that FS has with the specific record custodian. Many times the contract is a single delivery of the data to FS to load into the FS Search system. Updates would have to be built into the contract or negotiated. A new load is a resource intensive process (remove the previous from all the various systems and load the pipeline up with the new/altered data) and may involve new contractual restrictions. I can't speak to the specifics of the contract with FMP and also different collections would likely be governed by different contracts.
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    • Tom

      Thanks.

      As I originally advised in this post ... For some time now ( many years ), I have identified POSSIBLE "Transcription Errors" in "www.FindMyPast"; and, I have advised "www.FindMyPast" of those POSSIBLE "Transcription Errors". In the great majority of cases, those "Transcription Errors" that I have in identified and advised of, have been CORRECTED; and, those CORRECTED transcriptions have been updated and now appear in "www.FindMyPast".

      I would like "FamilySearch" to acknowledge, whether; or, not, it receives any "updated ( already ) indexed data" from "FindMyPast"; and, if it does, advise why "FamilySearch" has not uploaded the "updated ( already ) indexed data" from "FindMyPast" into "FamilySearch"!?

      Brett
    • I think the same request applies to other external indices, including, but not limited to the Social Security Death Index, the Find-a-Grave index, and the Billion Graves index. It would be nice to know how soon after the external site makes an updated index available, that FamilySearch will import the updated index.

      Find a Grave is interesting because I have found sources that tie back to Find a Grave, but the Find a Grave memorial no longer exists for some reason (usually because one cemetery was actually recorded in Find a Grave as two separate cemeteries.
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