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Please include the "world map" browsing capability from Record Search

I have a few questions about Record Search Pilot. I really, really like the format and the ease of using it. Where is the world map? Why is there a different kind of index? An A to Z index might be fine for some but when we are working with records from around the world the index is easier to use when the countries are listed Alpha and the available records within the country are listed Alpha. In my opinion, "new and improved" doesn't always mean new and improved.
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  • The map feature in the Record Search has been a most popular feature and would probably be voted for by most researchers. Indeed in revising the the pilot and engineering phase of Record Search the map was removed for a time. Due to overwhelming demands for return it was then restored.
    The present beta arrangement is testing an alternative presentation of a rapidly increasing number of collections worldwide.
    We recommend that you select from the beta home page "All Collections", then enter the country or region in the "Find" box to the upper left of the screen. This will then identify relevant collections for you. This is a beta test and this route to collections works swiftly to identify those collections which may be relevant to your research and to enable you to compare search in each of them. (Search by individual indexed collection is likely to produce fewer results and be more focussed)
    The number of collections at present is limited to selected collections. The beta selection does not contain image only collections which are the larger part of Record Search. The test is to enable a different presentation to be offered bearing in mind the growth in collections which is already evident on Record Search site.
    I personally like the map feature. However within Record Search the number of collections brought up has become very awkward to work through despite best efforts to reorganise it. As a fan of the map may I suggest that the beta path to comparing relevant collections described above works well and efficiently for me in trying to locate collections. As I need to access every collection on both sites daily I'd invite you to consider the beta version as a more effective way in future when the number of collections for many countires far exceeds the number loaded in the beta.
    Let the debate continue as this is one aspect of the beta where feedback is welcomed. I hope that my view reflects an evolution of the frustration of initial loss of familiar feature, frustration at the limitations of that feature, trying an alternative and favouring that alternative as the collection numbers have and will increase dramatically.
    Other views welcome.
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  • I’m excited about this kind of an approach.
    I agree with the analysis and explanation of "angelofnorth". However, I feel it would be most helpful when using the "Find" box in the upper left hand corner of the screen that it become a "drop down box" allowing each patron to select the collection country/region from a list rather than the patron being required to type in the name of the region/country.

    This "drop-down box feature" would reduce spelling errors and in typing names that are not accurate thus not bringing up any collections. it would be a teaching tool as well showing the numerous available collections. It might even be designed as a two tier drop down box: (1) region (2) country and then the specific collections "pop-up" to be selected from.

    Would this approach satisfy both those, including myself, that love the map yet want a way to get to the specific collection a little faster than scrolling hundreds of collections with more to come?
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  • Mick,
    the current arrangement is intuitive; if as at present I want to view an Ohio Death certificate image I need only type oh to be offered the collection. A drop down would take me longer and I feel more comfortable with the present arrangement since I need to move through worldwide collections rapidly each day. If you enter a country it will produce collections for that country The beta test loading offers limited collection load so indexed collections may not display this capability fully at present.
    Some collections will display on 3 letters bah produces Bahamas Births collection
    It is an interesting suggestion though to be considered, but try searching using this approach and tell us if you prefer it to a drop down.
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    I followed the directions and found All Collections. I entered Russia, looking to see which localities had been indexed & it gave 3 options, each of which said "Only a few localities are included" I would prefer to see which localities! The map style for temples would be great (In areas where not much has been indexed!)!
    There is not enough information.
    Is there a link through wiki that would tell us what localities had been indexed in Russia?
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  • The most prominent thing on the main page is the form for a basic search. While the look is clean and uncluttered, I'm afraid it sets our less-experienced researchers up for immediate failure.

    Those who know what they're doing are going to opt for a more focused search (hence the interest in the map for a simple way to select a relevant group of records to search). Those who don't know what they're doing are going to fill in the blanks in the search form and then click on [Search], expecting the system to provide relevant results. If they're searching for a very, very unique surname, that simple process is quite powerful. For most of the rest of us, it's a waste of time.

    I'm concerned that too many results is as big a barrier as no "hits" at all. Because many of our FHC Patrons have never heard of beta or pilot, I spend a fair amount of time introducing people to the wonderful information available on familysearch sites. Almost every patron tries first to fill in all the blanks. They're determined to do it if they know the info. When they get no hits, or way too many hits that don't seem at all relevant, they immediately assume that their family members are simply not going to be found in any of the databases. Once I show them how to narrow their search, they still tend to put too much information into the search, and are too willing to give up if their first search doesn't give them the information they're hoping to find.

    Rather than set inappropriate expectations (i.e., just type your ancestor's name here, and you're going to find them...), I think it makes a lot more sense to start out by forcing users to select a smaller pond to fish in.

    I do like being able to narrow the list of collections to a particular time-frame, record type, and region using the delimiters on the left. However, it takes a fair number of clicks and key-strokes. If you bring back the map as one way to narrow search criteria, then it would be nice to be able to drill down from the country to the region and ultimately the state (US only).
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  • I fear that as you add more record sets, sifting through results will become increasingly difficult, especially for common names.

    It would be really nice if after you got your search results back you could narrow down results by a clickable map starting with the country, or at least with an alphabetical list of countries, instead of by the listing of all of the databases on the site. It's hard because the international databases are all mixed in with the US databases, and even the US databases are hard to find because they're not in alphabetical order.

    Thanks for listening!

    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    Narrow search results by country and/or state instead of database title.
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  • I’m frustrated at the amount of time it takes.
    Why do I NOW see, 'no further category filters found' when I try to expand the Birth, Marriage and Death Category?
    I now have to trawl through many thousand enrties to find the country I am looking for.

    Birth, Marriage, & Death (17890)

    No further category filters found

    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    Category, 'Birth, Marriage & Death'.
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  • To make searching for information in set areas easier to find, how about a clickable map. That way, if I wanted just Michigan data, I don't have to wade through half the US, Canadian and Mexican records to get to it. Searching will only get worse as you add more databases.

    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    Clickable map to get to databases in specific areas easier.
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  • I’m liking it so far.
    I like the browse by location feature. I think it would be helpful to add a some flash function or something to the map to link where you click on the map to records of that area, or maybe have the map zoom in, then click on the zoomed portion or something. Just adding functionality to interactively click on a map to browse locations. While this is admittedly superficial, mankind places a lot of value in superficial aesthetics and I think such a feature would make the site more intriguing, grab more people, be a little easier to use for some, and be consistent with the current focus of trying to get more young people involved in genealogy (without ignoring or ostracizing the older people of course.)

    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    Add a More Geo-Locational Feature in "Browse By Location.".
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  • i went to beta from the original familysearch...well... the record pilot search & it sent me to the beta & i much prefer the... browse,.... & when higlight is click on... it goes to the continent maps...with names yet!! much better.

    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    continent map alone better.
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  • We are working on a feature that will let a person designate on the search form the place they want to search (country and state/province) and the type of records they are looking for (ex. birth, death, immigration, etc).

    The search system will then return only records from that specified place and of that specified type.

    If you really need to look for a specific collection, the easiest thing to do is simply click "All Record Collections" and then type the name of the place (England or Idaho) in the top left box on the collections list page. You can also filter the list of collections by date, or type, etc on the collections list page.
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  • A nap of an area is half the work, sometime they move from one community to another close by. ore emigrate to Canada,Australia, or United Staes, Sweden,Germany.
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