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I can't move forward or back through an image set

https://fsbeta.familysearch.org/s/ima... is one of the results of the search for Annie L Gray but, this page only lists James M Gray on the very last line and there is no ability to move forward to the next page of this census which probably does have Annie L. Gray listed. This will confuse people. I know how to get to that page through other websites but, my concern is for the more novice researchers.
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  • Marilyn,
    Thanks for submitting this feedback. The ability to move forward and back through an image set is a common user need and request that we plan on enabling soon (a couple months).
    - Robert Kehrer (Product Mgr)
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    • @T.McGuire
      The disappearance of record sets isn't directly related to any coding or move to the new site.

      FamilySearch has the goal of making as many records available for free to the world as possible. To do this we work with archives from around the world and negotiate the maximum level of access to indices and images that archivists are willing to permit. Sometimes we can display both, sometimes just the index, sometimes the image is only available at a 3rd party site or to those who donate time to make more records searchable through indexing. FamilySearch doesn't actually "Own" many of the collections that we display and must abide by the licenses applied.

      We have recently been reviewing our compliance with these licenses and found that in some cases we have been out of compliance so a few collections needed to be pulled. Fortunately, the beta site has some new access features which could not be implemented in RecordSearch and will allow these collections to shortly be displayed again on the beta site. We are working as quickly as possible to get these back up again.

      -Robert
    • @Robert Kehrer

      Your reply indicates that you have misread my comment to you. My comment had nothing to do with "disappearance of record sets." It had everything to do with being able to page through these records REGARDLESS of which website is used, i.e. LABS/PILOT or FSBETA. When the software for the FSBETA website was pu into place, the FLASH paging tool was not included. This is why and what people are complaining about. This is the tool that you said would take up to two (2) months to restore.

      God bless you and others for providing these records. While you may receive a lot of crticism, the purpose is to make this website better for ALL patrons. As of right now, this website is crippled because of the inability to page through records, This has nothing to with the record sets available... it has everything to do with bad planning as to how the records are used on LABS/PILOT, and how these records should be used on FSBETA.

      Again this has NOTHING TO DO WITH LICENSES AND COMPLIANCE. Please reread my original post to you.

      Regards,
      T. McGuire
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  • some birth records cover two scans and there is no easy way to see second page

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  • Looking at 1900 Census how do you get to the next page of image part of family on page default rest on next page.

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    going between pages.
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  • I’m sad, frustrated, unhappy
    I can't view other images before or after the census image I opened. It would be nice to be able to broswse the TWP, County and State. You could do this on your other site. Why not now??

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    Census images don't allow browsing.
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  • I’m not happy that beta removed functionality of pilot.
    I am disappointed that I can no longer page forward and backward through the Ohio death certificates. It was possible on pilot.familysearch, but not on beta.familysearch. Although not as vital as being able to page through census records, it is sometimes necessary when you can't quite read the certificate number and want to see the number of the one before and/or after.
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  • I’m frustrated
    For some of the estate files only the first of 23 pages appears under a search, without the ability to view the next image there seems to be no way to access these records.
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  • I’m frustrated
    I'm really liking this new beta, but I'm finding in the Philadelphia Marriage index that, once I find a record, I can't browse to the next or previous page. This is an issue in the later Philadelphia marriage indexes, because some pages don't have the year on them -- if you could browse to the previous page, it would probably have the year on it.

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    Can't browse from an image to adjacent ones.
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  • I’m frustrated
    I am exploring Cecil County, Maryland probate records. I entered a person named John Hawley who died 1935. I get the front cover image but cannot figure out how to turn the page. I copied other wills 2 weeks ago from the search.labs.familysearch.org site but am now detoured to fsbeta.familysearch.org. This new site does not appear to be as user friendly as previous site from which I was able to print several wills. I use a local FHC location at least once a week as well as serve as a volunteer so to be knowledgable would be an asset plus solve my personal dilemma now. i have signed in with password, etc which I established today.
    Thank you for your help,
    Ann
    jdevenne@columbus.rr.com

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    Why can't I get the pages to move?.
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  • I’m not very happy
    I also do not like the fact that you can not move from one image to the next. This was how I found a large amount of my information moving from one image to the next
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  • I’m frustrated
    I would like to be able to click on a button (as we can in Record Search) to see the next image or the previous image. Is there such a button? Maybe I'm just not seeing it.

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    The next image.
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    Is there a way to move to the next or preceding census page from the one indexed? Several times I have had families split between two pages.

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    Can I move to next census page after the one indexed?.
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  • I’m sad
    Good day

    Massachusetts death records and marriages often have 2 pages, yet I can see only one on your site.

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    Massachusetts Death & Marriage Records.
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  • I’m sad
    In FSBETA when I go to the viewer to view an image, some records span TWO images. The viewer goes to the left most image but there is no longer a button that lets me go to the NEXT image, so I can only see half of the record. We need a button.

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    Need a next image button!.
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  • I’m Grateful
    I keep being amazed by how much more you are making available online & I send my very grateful thanks.

    My question is --- how am I able to see the page following a census sheet, as my family are at the bottom of a page & I want to check the next page for more unknown children - On your Pilot site you showed the page number & I could just enter the sent number & see the remainder of the family.
    Thank you,
    Merril Bourne,
    New Zealand
    m.bourne@ihug.co.nz

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    Census Sheets.
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    Following on my my earlier message on this topic I had a thought tonight that might work for some researchers & I will use my research as an example below.

    Initially I was looking for a James Prendergast in Wisconsin & found this family group at the bottom of a page :
    1900 Census
    James Prendergast - wife Anne & children Joseph 19 b 1881, James Jnr 17, b Sept 1882, Patrick, 16 b. 1884, Lizzie 14 b. Jan 1886, Edward 11, b. July 1888, William 11 b. July 1888, John 7 b. June 1892,
    Residence Auburn & Grant City Towns, Sac, Iowa

    As I did not know if there were younger children in this family I naturally wanted to see the following page, hence my query, so I thought I would search using using the advanced search tab with just the surname = " Prendergast " & " Residence " = Auburn & Grant City towns, Sac, Iowa where the family above are featured.

    The result was that I found a further 14 Prendergasts in Auburn & Grant City Towns, Sac, Iowa & when I clicked on a child who was not in the family group above, however younger than any in that family, I then viewed another census page, which showed parents John & Catherine with a family of 12 children, so I feel that this is confirmation that there were no other family members to be found on the page following James, Anne & family.

    I hope this might be a simple solution for some researchers while this is being resolved by the LDS webpage developers.

    Good Luck to other researchers.
    Merril Bourne.
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  • I’m frustrated
    The Cecil County, Maryland Probate Files have no means of navigating through the image set. You only get to see the cover page, and the images are no longer on the pilot site.

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    No way to access all pages of a record with multiple pages.
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  • Looking at an image that continues on the next page, how do I get the next page"

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  • I looked the death certificate of Winfield Scott Bowers on the pilot.familysearch website and was sent to beta.familysearch. The death certificate has an attachment that I would like to see. On pilot.familysearch one can click an arrow to see previous or subsequent images on the microfilm but not so on beta.familysearch. For one looking for additional images of an item that is a problem. Please help solve it.
    Mel Bowers

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  • I’m a little frustrated
    While attempting to view a multi-page probate record (in this case it was that of Jethro J McCullough) in Cecil County, Maryland I could not see how to go to the next page. I don't see a control to advance pages. Thanks.

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    How do I advance pages while viewing a multi-page document?.
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  • Will it be possible to go to the next page entry on census to look at continued family members in the future?

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    Next page tab.
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  • The second page or facing page in the index holds more information and the capacity of turning the page or next page needs to be added in the search functions.

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    Needed! New Family Search 'next' or 'turn page' function for search options.
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  • Michigan Death Records for Johanna Herrold and George Herold only show half of the record it is a two page record and only one is showen how do we get the other half??
    Vdollhopf@comcast.net

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    Death Records only show one page need the other half of the record.
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  • The ability to move to next and previous page has not yet been enabled in the beta site. In the case of image collections which have more than one page of original record please send feedback case to Record Search where unavailable iamges can be located for you and attached to an email reply. Once this feature is available in beta these needs will arise. The index can only attach to one image additional images caused by overlay or a number of images relevant to the person need to be located for you.
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  • You can send Record Search feedback either by clicking the feedback button in Record Search or by emailing support@familysearch.org with Record Search Feedback in the heading of your email. You will receive an automated email response with your Case ID shortly afterwards.
    There are several circumstances where more than one image is available for a person but only one image is capable of being displayed. You may see an overlay obscuring information or need a second page of a document which the site does not display.
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  • I’m bewildered
    It's not obvious as to view the next page of the Vermont Probate Files when you are viewing a digitised image of the record. If anyone can tell me how to do this, please let me know.

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  • When FSBETA shows a Census Image, you should be able to go to the previous/next page.

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    Census Image Manipulation.
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  • 3 months ago Robert Kehrer said:
    "Thanks for submitting this feedback. The ability to move forward and back through an image set is a common user need and request that we plan on enabling soon (a couple months)."

    It has now been more than "a couple months." Can you give us an update on the implementation of this very important feature?
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  • Today we released a new version of the website that allows the navigation forward and back in an image set.

    If you land on a census or probate record for example, you will now be able to see the next or previous image in the set.

    Please try it out and let us know what you think.
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  • I’m very happy
    The new presentation addresses feedback requests to view images in larger version and "hide the way point" ( the path to display the image) You are now able to move back to move within images for different event like baptismal, banss,marriage registers. This hopefully assist searches in image collections and offers a better image search feature as requested by users of the record search version
    • angelofnorth -

      Your reply has a very cryptic quality. While the results may prove interesting, ' the means to "... move back to move within images... ", if they exist, are not readily apparent on the fsbeta.familysearch.org website. If you are referring to search.labs.familysearch.org aka PILOT website, the complaints are that the means to navigate the FLASH images provided on search.labs.familysearch.org, promised by Robert Kehrer to be available in a "couple of months" more than 3 months ago for fsbeta.familysearch.org, DO NOT EXIS!!!

      Regards,
      T. McGuire
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  • EMPLOYEE
    I’m confused.
    Is there a link to the new version? I just tried on a birth register from Chicago, Illinois and the second page is not available.
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  • The links to page forward and backward are not very obvious. They are on the right-hand side of the toolbar above the image. When I used it this afternoon in the Ohio Death Certificates, the response time was *very* slow for the next image to appear.
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  • Thanks Amy, but it is not on the tool bar for Cook County Birth Registers.
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  • 1900 US census--great images. Thanks.
    How do users forward on to the next page?

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  • I’m frustrated
    on the Illinois, Cook County, Birth Registers, I'm pretty sure there are supposed to be 2 pages. Since they were moved over here, I can only see only the left side of the book, there's not way to see the next page.

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  • RE: FamilySearch Beta.
    How can I click on NEXT PAGE using the 1900 US census to see the next page?
    For example, 1900 census, Benton Township, Osage County, Missouri.
    Page of interest is 169A.
    How do I see the next page, 169B?
    Notice that the head of one of the households is at the bottom of page 169A.
    I don't see a button to click on the next page to see the rest of the family and other people in that township.
    Thank you.

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    When you are looking at the image up on the top right hand corner under the Sign in and help you will see a set of arrows. One pointing left and the other pointing right. If you select the right arrow. You will be able to see the 169B page that you are looking for.

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  • In looking up the following in the 1900 US census, the displayed document is Page A not Page B. And I saw no way for forward to page B
    Name Walter Throckmorton
    Residence Justice Precinct 4 (voting precincts 12, 26-27), Parker, Texas
    Birth date Sep 1871
    Birth place Texas
    Father birth place Tennessee
    Mother birth place Tennessee
    Race or color (expanded) White
    Gender Male
    Marital status Single
    Enumeration district 0073
    Sheet number and letter 16B
    Household id 281
    Reference number 51
    GSU film number 1241664
    Image number 00371

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  • I’m frustrated
    Wrong census image attached to this record:
    Name Hannah Garrison
    Residence Justice Precincts 2, 4-5, Edwards, Texas
    Birth date Aug 1842
    Birth place New York
    Relationship to head-of-household Wife
    Father birth place New York
    Mother birth place New York
    Race or color (expanded) White
    Gender Female
    Marital status Married
    Years married 41
    Estimated marriage year 1859
    Mother how many children 5
    Number living children 5
    Enumeration district 0016
    Sheet number and letter 12B
    Household id 208
    Reference number 51
    GSU film number 1241629
    Image number 00520
    Please fix asap.

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    Having compared FSbeta with Pilot Search, there is no doubt in my mind which is the better of the two--in User-friendliness, that is.I say this with regard to British Parish Records. Pilot--by a street! In Pilot, the List of Parishes is scrollable vertically, and especially in reduced screen, the required Parish is easily located. In beta, there is no vertical scroll option--one has to locate the Parish by searching laterally, and is distracted by so many names on screen.Scrolling is quicker,
    When the required Parish is clicked on in Pilot, the Events come up in the same Window, as do the Register years, when selecting any given event.This is an advantage when wanting to change Event/Year, especially as it can be done in reduced screen. This is lost in beta,
    the same actions require three seperate Windows, and it is not possible to exit Full Screen to the list of Events etc.In beta this is achieved(?) only by use of the Browser Back button! A retrograde step!
    There is no Image change button in Full Screen mode in beta! The Browser buttons are not visible in Full Screen mode. Why seperate the Image change buttons from the Image Counter--again not visible in Full Screen in beta! FSbeta is so much slower than Pilot, too.
    Why are the Records for Channel Islands, Isle of Man and Ireland not included und Great Britain, of which they are part?
    British Censuses for 1841,'51 and 1861 are listed as having Images, yet when accessing them. no Images are seen and you are referred to Findmypast! That is not right! If there are no Images to be seen, then it should not be indicated to the contrary. What has happened to the Records for Cornwall, which were available a couple of weeks ago--on beta!
    I can't comment on other Countries, but my experience, using beta
    so far, is not a happy one. I will continue to use Pilot as long as possible, and it should not be closed down until the deficiencies of beta are corrected. It should have at least the same standard as Pilot! A winning combination should not be changed to an inferior one!
    Can you also allow printing without the FS Logo--this would conserve ink and also be environmentally friendly

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    Beta is not yet as good as Pilot.
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    Hi, I don't mind the new Beta site as I like to look at the collections/images. The first page is much better. You see more of the image which is great but when you move to the next image, you have to keep readjusting it in the widow. When you change to the Full screen mode, unlike the Pilot search, you don't have the option to scroll through the images here. Will this tool be added on? Other than that, I'm fine with it.

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