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Add One Fine Art Paper that is perfect for B&W (color too)

Epson Ultrasmooth (just received print today) doesn't have a photographic feel to it for black and white photos. But there are two papers that I've been using that do:
Epson Exhibition F Gloss
Crane/Museo Silver Rag

If you haven't seen these papers, I would be happy to send you sample b&w prints. I absolutely understand that there are tons of paper choices out there, and that adding a paper into the production line is a big deal; but the final print for the fine-art person is everything.

Both the Silver Rag and Epson Exhibtion are used with PHOTO BLACK INK on the Epsons and the dynamic range, especially in the blacks is much better than the Epson Ultrasmooth.

So I'm just trying to make the best case I can for either paper. West Coast Imaging, for example offers Crane/Museo Silver Rag for B&W prints.

That's it. It's something that I could easily recommend to a fine art customer, whereas now I'm leaning towards the Satin Lustre.
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  • Derek (Official Rep) January 25, 2011 06:36
    Hi Dave,

    Thank you for the suggestion here, and I'm going to convert your "question" post in to an "idea" post so it will be considered, voted on by the community, etc.

    Kind regards,
    Derek
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    I'm serious about the offer to send samples of the Crane Museo and/or Exhibition Paper. Anyone else out there used these papers for fine art black and white? Would you like to get a sample?
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    Ahmad (Official Rep) January 26, 2011 23:25
    Dave,

    We have tarted talking to our lab about adding a B&W paper to fine art prints. In general, we have to make some changes in the fine art paper types. We want to eliminate some of the existing paper types (that are not used much, or are too similar), and then add more "different" paper types (such as B&W papers).

    This is not an easy process, ordering new paper and changing printer papers is an expensive, so it may take 2-3 months to do that, but we are heading that way! Please be patient... :)

    One note: I understand that choosing C-Print and Giclee print is a very personal choice (and it's more like a religion than science!), but I want to suggest using C-Prints (Premium Prints) for your B&W photos. Dark colors come out much nicer on silver halide (c-print), you will have a much better contracts comparing to ink-jet prints, even the best paper. Or at least that's our experience. Have you tried our metallic paper? Some B&Ws look really nice on metallic papers!

    Thanks,

    --Ahmad
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    Yep. I understand (to some extent) that it is a big deal to introduce a new paper. I will let you know about the c-prints, though I did tests with them in the past. I am doing them again.

    Crane/Museo Silver Rag. It's made for Epson Black Photo pigment ink. I was a beta tester before it was introduced. And it was what allowed me to move from darkroom prints on double-weight fiber paper to inkjet paper without a single complaint from old customers; and in fact customers only had nice things to say. Not a single return since I switched to it when it first came out (not sure how long ago, but a few years at least).

    If I can't make do with any of the c-prints, I'm in big trouble, though I've also ordered the satin and one other fine art paper... Let's see how it goes. But I think a good black and white fine art paper (no matter the cost) is a necessary. When I say no matter the cost, I mean that if it's a lot more, you just charge for it...

    All the best --

    Dave
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    I just received the c-print endura Lustre black and white prints and guess what - they really are excellent. Much better than any of the fine art papers that you now order. Full d-max, and I'm very happy with them. Only nitpick I would make is that it's not a double-weight paper. So I think that the goal for fine art b&w paper would be a double-weight archival paper that can pick up the full dynamic range of a black and white shot. But for now - I'm going to remove the fine art selections, and up the price of the c-prints because frankly, these are photographic and don't have some of the issues that inkjet has.

    There are, btw, companies that will do the same chemical print, with LEDs on Ilford fiber paper. This is expensive. http://digitalsilverimaging.com/

    This is the best of all worlds, but as I say - it isn't cheap. But worth looking at. I've seen prints from them, and at one point was thinking of using them but thought it was going to eat into my profit too much. But maybe for special limited editions.

    Best,

    Dave
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    Ahmad (Official Rep) January 28, 2011 18:45
    Thanks Dave! Glad to hear that my assumption was right and you liked the quality of c-prints. Another good thing about it your print cost is much less, which means more profit for you! :)

    I'll look at the LED prints. We have a couple of new print products on the way that I think you will like... stay tuned!

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    --Ahmad
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