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Church Road safety

After witnessing a young girl hit by a car on Albany/Church road on Monday, and fretting about the amount of near misses there are after school as scores of children try to cross at the junction with St Thomas road, are there, or can the council consider, providing a pelican crossing at this junction for people to cross safely, and drivers do not have to swerve to avoid darting children in front of their cars?
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  • Hi Jo,

    Thanks for your question,

    Lancashire County Council deal with highway issues in Fylde, I have sent this question to the Highways Team (hopefully they will respond on here).

    The criteria for crossings can be found below

    http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/corpora...
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  • Hello Jo,

    I'm one of your councillors for Heyhouses, and St Thomas's road and most of Church Road is our ward.

    We have our regular PACT tonight from 8pm in the Hope Street Park Bowling club house, and I'll raise it with the police/pcso who attends. I'll also write to our county councillor on the issue.

    Regards,

    Nigel
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  • St, Thomas' Road from Clifton Drive to the junction with St Andrew's Road South and Church Road from nos 1-63 and 6-60 are in Central Ward, Councillor Goodrich!!
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  • Thanks for your replies, the amount of children crossing the road at St Thomas/Church Road lights before and after school is a worry for pedestrians, car drivers and parents. It's not easy to cross there as the traffic is always flowing, I hope it can be dealt with.
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  • Hi Jo,

    I raised this at the PACT tonight and many people were aware of both the incident and the issues with crossing.
    I think the accident you saw was close to the school where there are crossing patrols if you head one way, and a pelican crossing near the bottom end of Smithy Lane if you go in the other (as you'll know) though many people described crossing the road as chaotic, but I think your point is very specific to the lights at the top of St Thomas', and the time available to cross.
    I'll raise that issue.
    Regards,
    Nigel
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  • Hi Nigel,

    Yes the accident was nearer to the school, although the crossing is a Zebra not a Pelican, which has become quite hazardous as the children dont have to wait for a 'green man', they just run across, giving hardly any time for drivers to stop, I've had to slam on my brakes a few times as I go to pick my children up.

    It's a difficult issue as the cars are aware of the hoards of children, but they do tend to charge across when you least expect it. Maybe one suggestion would be that the school could stagger letting them out so there's not as many parents/cars/children at one time?

    My point was more specific to the lights at St Thomas', with it being a corner, but I would also say that there is a wider problem of hundreds of children (mine being two of them) all walking down the road at the same time.

    Thanks for raising it,
    Kind Regards
    Joanne
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  • Hi Jo,

    Lancashire County Council have passed to the highways engineers office and they will respond direct.

    I will update the forum once the response arrives.
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  • Hi,
    I am not a fan of zebra crossings near schools for the very reason Joanne mentions above. By the time I was at the high school, there was no chance of me being caught using a "lollipop lady" as that was just so not cool ;-) Near misses near the high school are common, my heart goes out to someone who does hit a kid through no fault of their own and has to live with that. Whenever I have seen or heard of near misses there's generally 2 causes; 1) Children not paying any attention to the "green cross code" (usually while messing with their phone) and 2) the sheer amount of parked cars and inconsiderate driving and parking as parents jostle to drop kids off and pick them up (probably because they don't feel safe making their children walk, thus ironically making the problem worse). Both of these issues were dealt with effectively by my parents who drilled road safety into us and who responded to pleas to lifts from teenagers with "you've got legs, you can walk". Lights, crossings etc seem to complicate the highway and take attention away from where it should be - on the road and those kids on the pavement that might step out.
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  • Hi all, Lancashire County Council highways have provided a response.

    Please see the information below.

    Thank you for your email below which drawing attention to road safety issues reported by the public at the junction of Church Road with St Thomas Road.

    Lancashire County Council will undertake an initial appraisal of the site from a highway safety point of view and take the findings forward to the next meeting of the Fylde Officers Road Safety Group. The Group comprises of County Council Traffic Engineers, County Council Safety Engineers, Officers from the Borough Council and the Police and meets on a quarterly basis to consider requests for traffic and safety related work on the roads within Fylde. The next scheduled meeting of the Group is in January 2012.

    If the Group decides that safety measures such as pedestrian crossing facilities could be justified, the proposal would then have to be submitted for funding through the County Council Environment Directorate commissioning process.

    Kind Regards

    Chris Amos

    Principal Engineer (Traffic)
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  • I have received a small update from LCC about the issues previously mentioned.

    I confirm the above issue was discussed at the January meeting of the Fylde Officers Road Safety Group. It was noted there were a lot of pedestrian movements at the traffic signals at the St Thomas Rd/Church Road junction due to school children and the presence of the garage. The Group therefore resolved to refer the issue to Lancashire County traffic signals to investigate if it would be possible to add pedestrian phases to these signals, although it was recognised that funding may be an issue.

    In this context I would advise you that Lancashire County Council receives many more requests for traffic and safety facilities than it has resources to deliver, and I regret I cannot say at this stage what priority any scheme would receive above other similar requests elsewhere even if it does prove practicable to add pedestrian phases to these signals.
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