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Can we get the "Please Delete" records taken care of?

Any possibility that we can get the records in the "Record Removal" section taken care of? That would go a long way to making our "all records" pages alot easier to use. I know that I have a bunch of vids that didn't encode properly and need to be deleted, since they usually happened in bunches there are parts of my records pages that will have 4 or 5 "please deletes" in a row.
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  • As you know HitRecord has a very unique copyright policy so we're not actually going to delete these. In the future you'll be able to hide records. Any records that haven't been resourced will essentially become invisible, which hopefully will make searching all the nicer.
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  • Thanks for the reply Brett. Sure I understand that deleting records is a bit problematic on HR, but surely the ones that are "encoding errors" could be deleted. They couldn't have been used as a resource by anyone since they were never viewable (since they never got encoded), so they just clutter up our records page and take space on the servers. Anything that you can do to get rid of them would be great!

    Thanks!

    Ron
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  • In the next week or so we're going to re-encode every video ever uploaded. Hopefully we'll have some better success and records that didn't work before may come to life now. Hey, it's the internet, nothing ever really goes away. The "hide" feature coming up will address the concerns you have I believe.
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    Ohhh please take care of this problem, some of my last records (videos) never stopped the encoding process and it's really annoying, I know that you are working hard and that soon or later you are going to fix all this problems, thaaaanks for everything!
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    You're pretty quick on the draw today Brett! Thanks again for the reply! If that's the case, then you're definitely going to need the hide feature. If all of the unencoded vids are re-animated, there will be several copies of the same vid live at the same time. I know in my case, I've always managed to get one upload to work, so all of the other ones(that are marked please delete) are extraneous copies that are of no value. Bringing them to life just makes it more likely they'll be accidentally used as a resource. I really appreciate all of the work you're putting in on this, but re-encoding the "please delete" vids seems like it will create bigger problems than just deleting them (or leaving them alone.) Just my 2 cents, not trying to be a wise guy.

    Thanks again for all your work!
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    It's a combination. A lot of videos never succeeded before because of connection problems, size, etc. They are likely to make it through now. The ones marked "Delete" or whatever can be hidden by individual users when that feature becomes available. So what I'm hoping is that our approach salvages the maximum amount of user uploads while helping to quash broken or irrelevant ones from the search.
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    Just for clarification-does this mean that copyrighted material in the Delete collaboration won't actually be deleted, but hidden?
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    I am new here and posted something incorrectly is there really no way to delete that?
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  • I wish I could delete my records before I report them to administration. It'll be so much easier and quicker and FASTER!
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  • I don't even know how to report a delete request to administration. Help? I had some portrait upload errors and they're just clutter now. I just want them gone.
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  • There's a new feature on the way where we'll be able to hide RECords. You can hear about it here: http://www.hitrecord.org/records/8431...
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  • still would be soo much easier if you just deleted the ones that are blank.
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  • So, you can hide them, but you can't actually delete them?
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  • I’m sad
    As I actually skim read the terms and conditions (silly I know). I uploaded 2 images as inspiration and as cover art to my records that I don't own and when i went through the terms again after a few remarks I realised it's forbidden! It is an honest mistake and rushed to have them deleted. I hope it gets done soon! =(, #AmNeverSkimReadingAgain!
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    If not allowing delete access, I think at least during the first 24hrs of the use of the account to give leeway for users to work things out. I know for me it took a while/I'm still figuring out everything. Within my first few RECords I made many mistakes and released two of the same albums and all of my Portraits don't load all the way so I uploaded it like 3 times not knowing I could remove the other two... On Twitter it doesn't allow you to re-post the same Tweet within seconds of sending it the first time and that might be a really useful tool for hitRECord! Therefore avoiding two RECords of the same thing within the same minute(s).
    Thanks!
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  • I’m frustrated
    When is this feature to be released per chance?
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    The no-deleting policy has been a frustration for me, definitely. And the sooner the "hide records" feature is usable, the sooner I intend to return to Hitrecord. That's not to say that I'm not participating as a form of protest, but rather I am genuinely frustrated/embarrassed by my choice to include certain older records on my profile and would rather not use the profile as a result (though I would certainly like to continue its use after the implementation of such feature, as the username is my name--the only artist name I'd like to be referred to by).

    I understand the predicament of the open-license, and the resulting insistence that resourced records remain visible and active; but I fail to understand why this issue has been in the way of implementing a hide/delete feature for non-resourced records. If the ultimate problem is that many users fail to properly resource their records, which results with the potential for actual resource-records to be hidden (as they were not actually resourced), then shouldn't the solution be to address the design both of the "download record" and "REC" pages? A few changes may go a long way to deter users from failing to resource records:

    a) Name of downloaded record automatically corresponds to record number, as found in URL of record on hitrecord.org (e.g. record name of http://www.hitrecord.org/records/687431 would be "687431")

    b) Download link prompts with brief instructions on how to properly resource records, with an "I understand and Agree" checkbox

    c) Downloaded records are tagged or bookmarked in section of My Dashboard, for historical reference -- manual tagging allowed for records not downloaded, but to mark records a user would potentially like to remix

    d) Terms at "REC"/upload page are revised to include warranty by user that the record is 1) entirely original and/or from or resourcing the public domain OR 2) remixed from existing hitrecord records and PROPERLY RESOURCED, further with an "I Understand" checkbox after brief statement to explain that failure to properly resource records is a violation of the Terms of Service agreement, and with specific reference to warranty laws under governing law/jurisdiction of said Terms

    e) Updated terms at "REC"/upload page are duplicated in a one-time page prompt upon user login with checkbox list of user's current live records, in order for user to give same warranty for such records, and possibly non-warrantable records are put into pending queue (to be brought live at such later time when record is properly resourced and warrantable) or are otherwise marked as lacking resources.

    Bottom-line, I'm very glad to hear that this feature is on its way. I am really looking forward to it.
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  • Wow Joseph Gordon-Levitt knows my voice for Callie MacPherson.
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    Cross-posting this from a couple years ago :)
    From http://www.hitrecord.org/records/317639/

    ...I understand that the current procedure when it comes to deleting records is, it's not allowed. You have to bring it over to the Record Removal collab and wait until a team member reviews and manually deletes it. The official reason for this is stated as:

    "What if the RECord you want to delete is already in use in production or resourced by other RECords?"

    (http://hitrecord.org/records/19439)

    The Record Removal collab is an attempt to solve this issue manually. I believe that this current solution is not a sustainable one because:

    1) large volume of hitrecord users and records

    2) only 4 people manually reviewing the Record Removal collab

    So, it is a slow process, and will end up becoming slower as hitrecord's population grows in number.

    Of course, you could adjust the second variable, and simply add more people to the team of reviewers.

    But why let people do the work that computers can be programmed to do?

    My proposed solutions are:

    1) allow hitrecord users to delete their own records as long as the records have not yet received "collaborative activity"

    2) OR, hitrecord users must still submit their records to the Record Removal collab, but have the system programmed to run through these submissions every once in a while (weekly? monthly?) and automatically delete the records that have not yet received "collaborative activity"

    The definition of "collaborative activity" can be discussed. In my opinion, any record that has not been listed as a resource yet, is safe for deletion.

    However, community discussion / the hitrecord team may agree on a different definition, perhaps coming up with a more nuanced criteria that considers also the hits, heart rate, recommendations, etc.

    Although these suggestions require programming work on the website, in the end it may still be more productive / cost-effective than manually reviewing the Record Removal collab. :) With such a system in place, the hitrecord team may focus their efforts on other matters, such as for example, reviewing the requests for deletion of records that don't pass the automatic-deletion qualifications.

    I also believe that part of being a collaborative creative community, is the idea of self-curation, in order to cultivate quality and vibrance in the works produced here. My proposals would align with this idea. I do not believe that hitrecord should permanently archive each and every record ever created here. It seems like too much of a strain, both technically, on the server, and also on the collective consciousness... As making art is also about renewal and letting go, making way for new creations. :)
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    I want to delete my records, too. hiding is not enough for me. the fact that the file is still somewhere on these servers is making me cringe. and honestly, this is not professional for a website that participates on multimedia projects and wants to stick out of the crowd. every website I am uploading audio to offers this feature. it is a crucial feature to everyone who needs their copyright protected. the HR community is demanding you: implement a delete feature. there are a few files which I just uploaded today and then I changed my mind. I want my account and all my files deleted. Immediately. If that does not happen, there sure will come the case where a user is going to sue you.
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    dreikelvin,

    let's say you uploaded a RECord that I liked and I decided to use it in a REmix. maybe it's an audio RECord and I decide that I want to use it in a video RECord, not just as background music but as the primary thing my work is based on. I do animation, I shoot live footage, I incorporate other people's RECords into my work, I spend quite a bit of time on it making it exactly the way I want it. finally, two weeks after you posted your lovely piece of music I post my RECord but I can't find your RECord to REsource it. why? because hitRECord has now made it possible to delete RECords and in doing so allows users to withdraw the right for other people to use their RECords. now all my work has gone down the drain and in addition to that I am being sued for using a piece of music that I don't own the rights to.

    it's true, no one had yet used your RECord at the time you deleted it but I was still working on my opus. I didn't realized when I uploaded it that your RECord was gone, I had planned to REsource after I posted it, like I always do. sure, I could also delete my RECord and rework it but I'm pretty disheartened now, nothing can really replace what I centered my work around. I'm also a bit gun shy now because since hitRECord has finally buckled to the demands that people be able to hit that DELETE button, RECords are disappearing at an alarming rate like stars burning out in a dying galaxy. anytime anyone has the slightest hesitation or pangs of regret or embarrassment after posting a RECord, even it if is just because the heart rate is low or non-existent, the user invariably hits DELETE and it is gone forever. most times it barely even got the chance to be noticed!

    I wander the streets now beating my chest and tearing at the last shreds of hair left on my head. "hitRECord is not tumblr!" I cry, "nor is it deviant art! it is not a place to simply display your art. it a place where art can be nourished and allowed to grow! it is a place where the restrictions of copyright law can be superseded (while still adhering to the stringencies of copyright law) to allow for collaboration and creative freedom! YES! the TOS is strict but it is there to protect not only the production company but the members as well!" ...and this is where my voice invariably trails off because I realize that I must rephrase everything I have just said in the past tense as hitRECord is no longer what it once was... "why, joe, WHYYY???!!!", I blubber.

    yep! I'm being a bit melodramatic but just trying to illustrate my point. gleefulmalice once said something to the effect that posting your work on hitRECord is like being naked at a nudist colony. sure, you are exposing yourself but so is everyone else. if you have regrets about posting something, you are not alone, but it might actually be better than you think it is. you just kind of have to let it go. no, you can't delete things on this site, it is stated clearly in the terms of service but you can, at least, hide things now. so if you REALLY wish that work would just disappear (and believe me, I have a few of those) you can hit that 'hide' button. but you never know, someone might find value in your work that you don't see yourself.

    thanks! :c)
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    moonbug,

    in that case, there should be a mechanism that "locks" the file as soon as there is a two-way understanding of a possible collaboration. while I do get your point, I don't see any reason why you should be bound to a restrictive system right from the start.

    like stated earlier, there should also be something like a grace period of at least 24 hours. Jamendo has this, for example. all deletion requests are being moderated and changes are online within a timeframe of 24 hours.

    I just registered last night and I want to delete everything after inspecting the site and the possibilities. it just doesn't look attractive to me as an artist. please don't take this personally. there is tons of good material on your site already. it is a pretty ambitious project. just not what I am looking for. thanks.
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    Everybody can easily take his/her 24 hours of concideration before uploading to hitRECord or any other site. To me the ToS are clear and I simply don't upload work of a project that I'm not sure of yet or that I don't know wether it will be worth selling one day etc.

    I usually think twice before uploading my work to any site, because even facebook claims the right to use pictures you upload... (http://www.facebook.com/legal/terms)

    And while hitRECord tells you loud and clear about what's going to happen with your work (non-exclusive rights, remixing etc.), facebook does so pretty quitely. (Don't know about the terms of other networks.)

    Sorry to hear, you won't be a part of hitRECord any longer, but it seems other sites suite your needs better. Good luck! :)
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  • @gedankenfrei there may be a ToS BUT it cannot be that a site like hitRECord that wants to set itself apart from websites like facebook and twitter as a platform for creatives all over the world, that it does not give them FULL control over their material. I think the ToS should be changed for the purpose of making it possible to delete your stuff again. I think this point will be a reason why it will be a platform only for teens and students instead of established artists, who will always show you the finger when they see stuff like this. yes, I should have read more carefully. but then again, I was just testing the system with some demo files. still, I don't like this idea. CHANGE it NOW.
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  • 1st: Nobody forces you to use hitRECord. You can hide your uploaded demo-files and leave it with what it was for you: a test.

    2nd: For a platform "only for teens and students" it has already achieved quite a bit, don't you think? (e.g. the Books of Tiny Stories, the Tour, hitRECorderly)

    3rd: The hide-function was already integrated as a compromise, so the RECords won't show up on your profile anymore, but the remixes, that ressources your RECords can still ne kept. Don't see why it needs an additional deleting function now, that would frustrate all those, who put work into remixing.
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    @gedankenfrei: not wanting to be insulting, but you don't sound like someone who works in the industry. you cannot trust ANYONE if you are working professionally or at least trying to position yourself as an independent artist. the day you will discover your material on another website (without having seen a payment), you will understand.

    I don't trust the hiding function.

    I don't trust that someone, "occasionally" checks the "deletion" group.

    also, being an interaction designer, I know that a "delete" function can be a frustrating thing for the end user. the problem lies in the grasp of content that is disposable. if you don't do integrate this correctly into the interface, you end up with very angry user, of course. I understand your point there. but there are various possibilities, like checkmarks or deletion periods and warnings that you include in the interaction flow. not a big deal in my opinion.

    after being excited from the trailer and then having to learn the sad truth, that this website is more some kind of dumping ground for unfinished material, more or less for unestablished artists and that it does kick your copyright in the bottox at every corner, I am very disappointed. it doesn't look like this site is ever going to have a real breakthrough.
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    1st: You don't know me, so no insult taken.

    2nd: Whatever industry you're talking about. I have been working as an employee for advertising agencies for 4 years now, concentrating on digital projects like mobile applications and websites only.

    3rd: As you are an interaction designer, I assume you care about a good user experience, thinking about use cases and UX design etc. So if you're working on a project, you probably try to keep the user's interests in mind: Most users on hitRECord didn't join for the money, but because they love to collaborate with others. hitRECord is just that - a production company that offers a chance to create things together and that will try to make money with the results. That this might not be a business modell for professional artists is perfectly clear to me. (Nobody forces anybody in.)

    4th: I never said, that it was impossible to integrate a delete function. I just said I don't see why it's needed at the moment. The site got quite some other problems to focus on at the moment.

    Depending on the structure of the databases it would - of course - be possible to just allow the deletion of RECords, that weren't resourced so far:


    BUT:
    - structure must be given to check this
    - a lot of testing on a stage environment would be nessecary as deletion is a touchy subject for the users
    - the resourcing function should work perfectly, at the moment it's buggy from time to time
    - it has happened before, that people forgot to resource something and users pointed it out later - if the REC was deleted by then, that could easily turn into a copyright issue without somebody noticing --> that's definitely something that needs to be avoided
    - to spare the users from situations as described earlier by moonbug, it would need a new feature, that allows users to indicate they started working on a remix intending to use a RECord (which should also prevent this RECord from being deleted)

    This is a touchy subject and if this feature is supposed to be added, it needs proper planing and conceptioning. Nothing to "CHANGE it NOW".

    But we can cut this short here:
    You don't like the concept so you won't upload anything else to hitRECord. You can mark your RECords as hidden, add them to the deletion collaboration and write a mail to the support asking politely to delete your account.

    And I on the other hand don't believe that this delete-function will be added soon and I personally don't have a problem with that, because I'm not in for the money anyways.

    As I said before:
    Sorry to hear, you won't be a part of hitRECord any longer, but it seems other sites suite your needs better. Good luck!
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  • i can't delete my own work off your site, have you ever heard the likes,not impressed at all,get it sorted
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    Jammie, there is a good reason we cannot delete RECords on hitRECord and it is crucial to the function and success of this production company. i would suggest reading the comments in this thread. you should also thoroughly read any contract you sign. the TOS of hitRECord is not like that of most sites.

    though you cannot delete your RECords once you post them, you do have the option of hiding them. your work will not be seen by anyone, cannot be REmixed by anyone and will never be used in a money-making production.
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  • Just e-mail your records to support@hitrecord.org. Matt always deletes my mistakes super fast! :)
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  • Hey, I just made a tutorial for hiding those video fail records. You can find it here: http://www.hitrecord.org/records/1357942

    It works really well for me, it's pretty quick and easy to do, and it clears all of that red mess off of your records page.
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