4 submissions declined concerning music videos

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Following the official guidelines:
https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/submitting-a-commercial-or-music-video/G75CJL7UUDSWV7U5?ref_=helpsrall#
it is understood that the keyword "music-video" has a special, a tag-like systemic meaning to categorize such type of content in the base.

If "music-video" keyword is also allowed to define a subgenre (that would turn the category reference been useless), please explain in the guidelines that keyword should be used as genre defining.

If "music-video" keyword must be used to categorize the type of content, as initially understood, then I can not understand why the three submissions to delete the wrong keyword are declined:
#190908-184131-462000
#190908-184013-228000
#190908-183930-830000
those three featured movies are tagged correct as "music" by genre, but can not be categorized as "music video":
Love Actually (2003)
Bohemian Rhapsody (2018)
Rocketman (2019)
If a fictional movie includes some scenes featuring music videos, those may be tagged with other keywords such as "music-videos" or similar, as I understand.
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Also please review the declined #190909-081806-627000. As defined in the guidelines, that film is not "musical" by genre, but "music" one as I submitted. All the music related scenes there are live concert performances.
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I added music-video to Rocketman because the film includes a full music video, a version of Elton John's I'm Still Standing video. I think it's a fairly natural use of the keyword.

I see there is a music-video-within-a-film keyword which could also be used in this case, instead of or in addition to music-video.

music-videos should not be recommended since the plural is against keyword guidelines.
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"music-videos" is not a recommendation here, it's an example of an existing keyword: music-videos
As I said, any other close keyword could be used for the same thing. 
But the only one "music-video" seems having the systemic meaning for categorization purposes. If this was not intended for categorization, there is no big problem but we need a more precise explanation in guidelines; and "music-video" will stay as a sub-genre only, not a category.

PS: anyway, I need to know the final result for those 4 contributions.

PPS: to emphasis what I mean, there are other keywords having systemic meaning for categorization: commercialweb-seriesreenactmenthardcore + sex to switch to adult content. Those can be used to switch between types of content.
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Hi MAthePa -

Concerning your submissions, I can see that your request to remove the "music-video" keyword from these titles was rejected as these films do include a Music video.  The keyword "music-video" itself does not have any special display functions on titles (unlike the keywords  'reenactment', 'tv-special', 'tv-mini-series', etc.), this keyword is meant for categorization only when a music video is featured within a title, this could go both ways if the title is an actual music video or if a music video is featured in the film/show.

Regarding "music videos" and music video", as Peter mentioned above, we shouldn't hav a plural so I have now combined these under 'music video'.

Lastly, concerning "Road to Wacken", I can see that your request to adjust the genre to "Music" instead of "Musical" was not accepted.  Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with this title, do you have more context regarding the change you were trying to make given our Genre definitions: https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/genres/GZDRMS6R742JRGAG?ref_=helpsrall#
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Thank you, Peter and Michelle for the replies. 
I see now, those three "music-video" should be initially declined according to existing practice. I'll post a related idea to change the system closer to the principle explained in the guidelines.

Michelle:
concerning "Road to Wacken", I'm not sure how you are going to further check there is no "musical" genre in the whole movie. In the public access, I found only a link to the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceo2obE-fV4
As I've initially said, the movie includes live concert performances; there are no scenes of fictional characters bursting into song aimed at the viewer.
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Thanks MAthePA, I've edited the genre based on your comments.