A User Is Adding Weird Updates To "Get Up"

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Hi IMDB,

You guys have been great with addressing the problems I have on this front, so I hope you can assist with this.

One of the sports shows I update is Get Up https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7877780/.

I have been monitoring the show's site and Twitter feed to ensure all hosts and guests are captured accurately.

The last few weeks another user has been going in and adding lots of incorrect credits. They are changing character names and adding a lot of people who did not appear.

Since this is a sports show they are going to show clips of the previous day's games, matches or big interviews. This person is adding every single one of those brief clips as an acting credit, which is not correct, and will lead to hundreds of incorrect listings for the show and that individual.

Is there any way for IMDB to alert this person? The editors for this site have been great in responding to my changes and updating the incorrections as soon as I alert them, but it is kind of annoying to have to edit each episode twice (once to correctly add the credits and then again to remove their incorrect ones.)
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Hi Kevin -

In order for our staff to take a look can you post links to some of the episode titles that you recently observed the changes on?
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Hi Michelle,

It looks like IMDB published some of my corrections (moving guest stars out of numbered slots and correcting names, but the deletes haven't gone through yet) for this episode: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8680382/?ref_=tt_ep_pr

All of the people with (archive footage) listed did not appear.
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Hi Kevin -

Thanks for posting the episode link, I can see that all the archive footage credits have since been removed.  If you are still seeing credit errors on the site, please continue reporting them through our online Update form for our editors to review.  In the meantime, I have reached out the contributor.  Thanks again for your corrections!
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Hi Michelle,

I guess if (archive footage) credits are not allowed for sports talk shows, then all such credits I submitted for“Mike and Mike in the Morning” (tt0783392) from 2010-2017 will have to be looked at.

I submit archive footage credits only for those people who are identified by the hosts and whose names are shown in a graphic at the bottom of the screen. I don’t try to identify everyone in a scene. Kevin Cantor says this is “incorrect” If there is a rule against this, I’ll refrain from submitting such credits. Also, I changed credits such as “Himself - NFL Insider” to “ESPN NFL Insider” because that’s how they are identified by the graphic underneath.

As for making changes in credits already listed, the standard order for the 3 regular cohosts is: Mike Greenberg - 1; Michelle Beadle - 2; Jalen Rose - 3. If there is a guest host, the numbers should be adjusted to reflect how the hosts are introduced in the first hour. Michelle Beadle has been absent for several days, and various ESPN personalities have filled in. If Mike Greenberg (aka “Greenie”) is present, he introduces himself, then Jalen Rose, and the guest host last. For this reason, on a number of episodes I adjusted Jalen Rose’s number to 2, so that the guest host would have order #3.

Thanks for letting me explain where all my archive footage credit submissions come from.


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Hi Moodri,

I try to update all of the shows in the same fashion whether it is scripted, reality, talk or sports.

That means there is a set group of stars, or "series regulars". For Get Up it would be Mike Greenberg, Michelle Beadle and Jalen Rose. Those are the only three that would be numbered. For guest stars they are listed alphabetically after that without any numbers.

So, if Cassidy Hubbarth, Mark Teixeira, Jason Williams etc. are hosting that day they would not receive a number, just a credit in the guide. 
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Hi both,

This is an interesting case. I would say that the credits are valid with the (archive footage) attribute if that individual does appear inthe episode. The same with the ordering, if there is no order present in any onscreen credits then it makes sense to list them in the order they appear or are introduced. In terms of the himself character name then I think that this is ok to include it, as it is a "self" performance, but it is also right to reflect the rest of the character name as it appears on screen.


I hope this helps.
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Hi moodri,

Yes please follow the advice I listed above.
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Thanks, Will. Just one more question: Will all the credits that were deleted (per Michelle's post) be restored, or should I resubmit?
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Hi Will, 

I would ask you to look at my post below responding to Peter as I think it explains why this should not be valid credits on IMDB.

Regardless, I will operate under the notion of them being allowed until I hear from otherwise.

Hi Moodri,

If these are going to be added it is important to maintain consistency as such. Some of the credits include the team name of the player and some don't. There are also a lot of spelling and grammatical errors and a few examples of the wrong person being added.
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Kevin,

I did correct the 4 typos I submitted for Friday's 8/24 show. Sometimes if an athlete is "between teams" (released by team 'A' but not yet signed by team 'B') I usually leave the descriptor blank.

I'm going to submit names for other ESPN shows this week instead of Get Up!
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Moodri,

I appreciate any help on that front, with Get Up or otherwise. There are a lot of talk and news shows that are not updated so any user that can assist with that is appreciated.

I am confused why you keep writing out Co-Host as Cohost. Using the hyphen is pretty established both in the world and on IMDB as the format. For example:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8823448/?ref_=tt_ep_pr
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8871086/?ref_=tt_ep_pr
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8693008/?ref_=tt_eps_cu_n

Some guides use (Credit Only) tags when a regular is off for the day. I think that is dependent on the editor though. Personally, I don't like it as some shows don't really have opening credits like a Drama might have.
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Hi Will,

This is not really an appearance though. This is recycled footage from a game, or an interview or something. For example, Donald Trump is not appearing 5,000 times a day on Fox News, CNN or MSNBC. They are airing clips of him walking around the White House or speaking to reporters. Then the actual people in that episode, whether it is hosts or commentators, will start to speak on the subject matter.

They are just showing something to introduce a discussion. Archival footage would be like how they used footage from the original run of Twin Peaks in 90-91 to have Frank Silva (who passed away in 1995) as Killer Bob in the 2017 reboot. 
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Sorry for my two cents, but Donald Trump should be listed if he a) was credited, which on the news sometimes is done during the appearance or b) if the clip was specifically filmed for the instance and/or was not shown before anywhere. That said, uncredited archive footage is usually not eligible for listing, so most of the instances won't do. 

Also, "Twin Peaks" is a fairly unique example: most likely out of respect and personal preference, nearly everyone was credited, including Don S. Davis and Sheryl Lee for appearing in photographs in some episodes (which led to "credit only" in their acting filmographies).  I should say that it is a very inspiring case, as it mostly felt like respectful homage and when archive footage or photos were used, such were moslty in line with characters. 
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Kevin, recycled footage from some other, unidentified source is exactly what archive footage means.

Please see
https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...

Also, for documentaries and talk shows, being identified by spoken name is enough to be listed as credited with an order number.
https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...
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Peter,  

I respect your opinion and the IMDB decision, even if I disagree with it for a number of reasons.

1) It is going to make it seem like people who never appeared on the show appeared more prominently and frequently than those that do. For example, they might show one pass from Tom Brady every single day. If the hosts take days off occasionally, Brady will appear in more episodes than the stars of the show despite never being in studio and probably not even being aware of the show.

2) I would argue it goes against Rule 1:

The "on screen credit" ruleIf someone's appearance is credited on screen it automatically qualifies as a valid archive footage credit, regardless of what type of archive footage it is. This supersedes any of the potential exclusions below.

The name isn't being credited on screen by ESPN. The name MIGHT be credited in a bar at the bottom of the screen by whatever the local sports station is, but that is not always the case. There are definitely no on-screen name credits during game footage, but there might be during locker room interviews. It would be SNY putting that name bar for New York Sports as an example, not ESPN.

3) I would argue Rule 6 proves it shouldn't be there:

The "no degrees of separation" ruleOnly "archive" footage that is used directly in the film is eligible. If an actor appears in a film shown as being watched on TV in a scene of another film, then the first film clip is not eligible as archive footage. In other words, James Stewart's footage from Vertigo shown in a scene in Twelve Monkeys where Bruce Willis' character goes to the movies is not eligible.

They have a large monitor in the studio that analysts will write on to break down plays and other things. A lot of the game footage and interviews are shown on that monitor. Since it is the hosts and analysts watching the archive footage, according to this rule it does not fit.