Action genre deleted for no reason!

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Although I won't really be concerned too much, but this time it kinda bothered me.

Dunkirk was listed as an action, drama, history, thriller and war genre film.

Unless some user deleted action. 

This is totally incorrect.

This isn't even a war film in the first place. People have been resorting to a trend of deleting action genre from titles that have been acclaimed or won Oscars.

The case with Dunkirk is really frustrating, since it's a complete action movie.

The studio itself has always promoted it as an epic action thriller.

These users are using their personal definitions of an action movie over the technical definitions of genres. According to such people, an action movie is one which is loose in terms of story and lacks depth. They don't even think that a film of any genre can have depth.

I have seen the film. There's no war combat in the film. It has destructive action set pieces within the action context. War doesn't really mean the combat part. 

Valkyrie, for example, is a war-thriller film and the war part doesn't feature any combat but dramatic political conflict. It has been rightly listed as a drama, history, thriller and war genre film.The film has very little action and I'm not complaining for it.

But Dunkirk is an out-and-out action thriller! And the reason I have to write this is because IMDb editors easily process the removal requests for action genre and it takes even years but the request to add the genre takes even years to process it. 

Please consider it. I know I have submitted the request to add the genre just a few minutes ago but please make sure this doesn't happen again!
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And if you think what is the proof behind my supporting the action genre,

- First off, it was always listed as an action movie. It qualifies even as per the IMDb guidelines which state an action film should contain numerous scenes in which the action is spectacular and destructive. It has not just one but many action scenes from start to climax. Someone with an objective and regressive opinion dared to remove the genre.

- Secondly, have a look at the sources which claim it to be an action movie:

https://www.usveteransmagazine.com/2017/07/epic-action-thriller-dunkirk-opens-theaters-july-21st/
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Dunkirkmovie/about/ [This is the official page and official pages don't make mistakes like that user]
https://www.usveteransmagazine.com/2017/07/epic-action-thriller-dunkirk-opens-theaters-july-21st/
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151228005274/en/Christopher-Nolan-Direct-Epic-Action-Thrill...
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/12954/rogoways-reviews-christopher-nolans-war-epic-dunkirk
https://www.warnermediagroup.com/newsroom/press-releases/2017/09/14/christopher-nolan-s-acclaimed-ep...
https://ifi.ie/2017/06/the-irish-film-institute-ifi-is-proud-to-present-christopher-nolans-epic-acti...
https://console.worldoftanks.com/en/news/remember-dunkirk
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/players-will-remember-dunkirk-with-wargamings-suite-of-wwii...
https://www.warnerbros.com/dunkirk
https://www.warnerbroscanada.com/fr/dunkirk
https://www.in70mm.com/news/2016/dunkirk/index.htm

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Another regressive example of deleting action for an action film is with the film Seven Samurai. [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047478/]

Man, come on! 

This film is regarded as one of the best action movies ever! It was even listed earlier as an action, adventure, drama film but again... someone who didn't want action movies to be in the top 250 list deleted the genre.

WHY???!!!! 

There's a tirade going on since long against the action genre and is intolerable.

It's not like action is subjective completely like drama/thriller. 

People are again using their personal definitions of an action film which nowhere fit within the actual definitions. 

If you follow IMDb definitions, then even The Departed should be listed as an action movie because it has a number of spectacular and destructive action scenes which include fights, shootouts and explosions as per IMDb guidelines.

But why isn't it listed as one? Because people are using their own defintions of the action genre and also because to them an action movie isn't worth acclaim. The Departed is an Oscar winning film, that too the best picture, and thus to them the term "action film" would describe the quality.

Insane!

I've been observing this since quite a time and now this is getting intolerable. It's not that the above said films don't have action and that no one will have two opinions on this thing. These movies have action and they qualify as per the guidelines at least. 

All other genres in which they're qualified aren't wrong but an important one is missing. 

Please pay attention here!
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And also, the films COLLATERAL and WAR OF THE WORLDS have not been listed under action but only under crime, drama, thriller and adventure, sci-fi, thriller respectively.

First off, the three genres for COLLATERAL are correct. But action is a major aspect of the film. Especially the last 30 minutes (I brought the DVD just to check this) are entirely action-packed. From an extended bar fight to a car crash to a long chase - all these action sequences happen back to back and are quite long.

Even before this, there are many action scenes like gunplay, shootings and crashes.

And for WAR OF THE WORLDS, sci-fi and thriller are correct but adventure is incorrect. There are no numerous consecutive scenes of characters participating in hazardous activities/experiences for a specific goal.

It's action because the characters are thrust into physical challenges which involve heavy set-pieces like explosions, chases, some fights and a number of other stylized action sequences. The story is about survival, but there's no "Adventure" happening as the characters only have to fight for their lives, the basic thing which happens in any action movie.
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Is someone paying attention here?

This is SERIOUS!
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No, it is not: Genre is a mostly subjective concept, with no clearcut limit and definition. It can only be indicative, a help to approach the way the story is portrayed. But the film belongs to its creators: writers, producers, directors, and their creativity should not be bound by such fuzzy idea, unless they want to.
Last night I saw Seraphim Falls (2006), for some it is a Western (1868, between snowy Nevad to Arizona desert), for others it is not (IMDb rates it as Action, Drama), it is also a road movie.
I really do not care: its is a great movie, a classical story of revenge and pursuit (can fit any period and style, from Ancient Greece to cloak and dagger, Film noir, Sci-Fi) with stunning landscapes. That the only thing that matters. The hell with genres.
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Yeah, it is subjective but not that subjective to be manipulated. Genres do a good job at guiding people what type of movie they want to watch. Genres matter, and only the right ones. If there's something that can be done, tell me.
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And I'm not asking your personal opinion on this, sir. What matters more here is that right data reaches maximum people. I'm not asking to delete war genre for Dunkirk even though the director himself says it isn't one because... we can let that pass.

But action is the main genre. See it like this: the whole film is one big action set piece which takes place in land, air and water. There's a whole lot of it in the film and it qualifies.

And while genres might not necessarily guide everyone, they can misguide genre film viewers and other users for sure.
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Let us get rid of them :)
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Come on sir! I'm not kidding. No time for jokes please :) [I'm basically smiling at this but I'm indeed serious]
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I am deadly serious about getting rid of genres: it triggers useless, endless discussions because people will never agree (e.g. I utterly disagree with IMDb definition of Film noir), it is too often misleading on the actual content of the film, and is not able to anticipate its quality.
Hence, let us get rid of them.
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Firstly, this doesn't answer my question.
Secondly, how do you suppose to do that? [Because it's actually better to get rid of all instead of putting up incorrect ones]
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Vincent Fournols, eliminating genres seems to be a bit extreme of an idea. If you think about it genres are not strict categories they used to be, rather a system of loose coordinates, using some of which over others makes you understand more about the title then, at times, what whole plot synopsis does.  
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Yes of course it is provocative :)
But more seriously, what I do not like about giving too much importance to genres, as our Indian friends seem to, is that it would restrict the capacity to invent, to be creative about the way a movie can be narrated, structured, to inovate formally.
When watching a movie, I want to discover, I want to be surprised, I want to be lead to think differently. And I really do not care, and even I am reluctant, to take into account pre-established categories, installed narration syntaxes, that would bind the form and the capacity to inovate and create.
I could name movies which are both drama and comedy, there has already been sci-fi Westerns, we have now thrillers which used to be crime. It really does not matter as long as the movie is good.
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How long before we have a sy fy cooking genre. It is most important. I have 6 1/2 titles that need this genre. I will not go away until my satisfaction is heard and complied with.
LOLHAL**
**Laughing out loud hysterically a lot!
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I hope everyone knows that was a Kidding Post!!
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Too bad, I was wishing you would share them...

(Just kidding as well!!)
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You cheated me: I was referring to your first post version ;) even though one of the above could fit...!
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Sorry, But I feared removal. Mine would have been NC17 or worse!
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Yes, I guessed that :)
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Well, I find knowledge of genre assignments helpful for determining what to avoid. So, for example, I generally avoid watching movies in the "Animation", "Comedy" or "Musical" categories. So, I'm definitely against eliminating the system of categorizations altogether.
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What's sad is that a random user has to do nothing much to get the correct genre unnecessarily deleted while a user like me has to not just create an account to register this stupid problem here but also give multiple valid explanations in order to get the correct genre reinstated. If the genres are really being listed, then ALL the correct ones need to be listed, not just a few ones.
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Anyone reading this thread: if possible, please add the action genre to the above movies, especially Dunkirk. 

Don't worry, it's definitely and completely an action movie. You can go ahead easily without a second thought. If you're gonna do it, then please do it ASAP!
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Hi Manish -

Please keep in mind that the Action genre is subjective, and should only be included on a film if Action is a driving force.

If you feel that the removal of the Action genre from "Dunkirk" was incorrect, you are welcome to re-submit the keyword and our editors will take another look.
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Action is a definitely driving force of Dunkirk! It's entire screenplay is all about action: explosions, chases, stunts and what not. From start to climax it's jam-packed with action sequences.

You should've read the whole thread. I have given complete verification and detailed explanation for all the above movies.
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I have resubmitted. Please look into it seriously. This was really baffling to me since I can't believe how one person can give random explanations to get the primary genre deleted.
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Please Manish, share the submission ID if you want to have IMDb staff make sure to make it through.
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190111-191508-062000 [Submission Reference]
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Hi Manish, 

Thank you for your message. The action genre has been re-added, with regards to our the War genre, following our guidelines, the War genre is eligible if the title contains numerous scenes and/or a narrative that pertains to a real war (i.e., past or current). As such this should genre should remain on Dunkirk. 

For more information on genres, please refer to the guide below:

https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/genres/GZDRMS6R742JRGAG?ref_=helpsrall#

Thanks
Meredith