Add credit to completed cast

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Hello!

Cast of VENOM (2018) was marked as completed but it's missing at least one credit.

Rxchie as Guard

I've sent the update:
190310-002923-494000
I've verified this through a screenshot and on Fandango and several other websites:

https://www.fandango.com/venom-2018-208501/cast-and-crewhttps://sonys-marvel-universe.fandom.com/wiki/Rxchie


Please advise on how this can be fixed :)
Thanks!
David


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Posted 11 months ago

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Hi, David Xarach. Thanks for the screenshot. This is in an interesting discovery. You do realize that if the information you've provided corresponds to the original release then roughly four fifths of the items in the cast listing will have to be reordered, though, right?
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I verified this cast and as you can see from the credits from my DVD, Rxchie as Guard is not listed.
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Very interesting case!
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It is interesting indeed. But as this film was reportedly problematic, my suspicion is that the dvd and the theatrical release may have different cuts and maybe different credit rolls.

Fandango is listing the credit through their provider Rovi, they’re supposed to be pretty accurate.

In this case a dvd may not be the most accurate source, as it may differ from the theatrical version.
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I can attest that credits should be different: at the very least, a post-credits scene from Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018) was deleted in video releases. 
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Fandango...
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Google is also listing this credit.

https://g.co/kgs/S1EL9D
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Where is your screenshot from?
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Peter,

David provided the link in his topic post (I have not double checked though)
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Hi David,

Could you please supply the source of your screenshot please?

Regards,
Will
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Hi Will,

It's an online screener, I don't have a link to provide. The picture was taken directly from the TV.

I've attached screenshots of both Fandango and Google listing this missing credit also.


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I'm going to guess both Fandango and Google have the credit from a screener as well. My question would be, are screeners considered an "official version" of the movie. They are not publicly available. They are sent out before the official release of the movie.

Adding this credit will confuse anyone that watches the commercially available versions of the movie and compares the credits to IMDb's credits.
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They should not be considered the official version of the credits as this isn't a public release. As such we will not be adding this credit to the title.

Regards,
Will
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Thanks for the clarification, but my question is... What if the theatrical version of the film has different credits than the DVD release?
Isn't a theatrical release an official source? 
Why are Google and Fandango reporting different credits? Shouldn't that be also valid proof?
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There is no indication that the DVD/Blu-Ray release is any different from the theatrical release. In fact, it states it is the theatrical release.
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Thanks for your input Adrian. But if you’re so interested in this case, maybe you could explain why fandango and google are listing the credit.
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I've already explain the most likely scenario, David. Most likely they are relying on the same screener you are. But how does anyone other than the people that are responsible at Google or Fandango know?

Why do you think the theatrical and dvd release are different? (It's most likely the case that only the preview screener discs are different.)
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Well, I think the answer to this could be found with the distributor(s), who, unless mistaken, is/are in charge of setting the credits.
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Thanks for the answer Adrian, Unforunately you’re not presenting facts, but your personal assumption that the dvd corresponds 100% with the theatrical version.

Do you have any proof of this? Or are you just presenting your opinion as a fact?
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You know I could copy and paste your response to me and it is a valid response to you. You are assuming that the dvd is not 100% the theatrical release (and that's a pretty bogus assumption. Why would they change it? It would cost more money to change it and re-release a different version. Also, every DVD that is different from the theatrical version carries a warning of how it is different from the theatrical version.)

Do you have any proof of what you are posting? Or are you just presenting your opinion as fact?
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Sorry but under you can prove otherwise, you can’t assume you’re right. You have provided a screenshot of a dvd and I have a provided a screenshot of a screener and 2 independent websites that potentially show a discrepancy.

So at this moment and assuming my proof should be as valid as yours. I have shown 3 different sources, against your only source.
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It's amazing that you do not see your own assumptions. No one can prove a negative. You have to prove the positive. Google "burden of proof" if you do not know what I'm talking about.

You have to prove that your copy is the theatrical one. The DVD specifically says that it is the theatrical cut. None of your sources make that distinction, so know, your proof is not as valid.
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You’re assuming as much as I am assuming. So we’re just gonna aggree to disagree.

If no one can prove a negative, why are you assuming that you’re right and that google and fandango used the wrong version of the film?

I’m just gonna leave that there...

Go and google: Proof
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Occam's razor demonstration lead to decide that DVD and theatrical release are most likely to be identical...
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Thanks Vincent. I agree that we should assume the simplest solution here.

But that still leaves the question open: IMDB relies on people’s input but Fandango/TiVo are likely to get the information from the distribution company directly... and the discrepancy is there...
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Hi David,

IMDb's policy is simply to list the credits as they appear on screen, regardless of how they are listed by other sources. If you wish to supply any further evidence for your case please do so via the Contact Us site as listed below.

Regards,
Will
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Hi David,

If you wish to provide further supporting evidence please go to IMDb Contact Us selecting IMDb Fan/Contributor questions > Filmography credits > Provide credit evidence selecting the E-mail option to submit any further information for our Data Editors to review.

Regards,
Will
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I Actually did, but was instructed to send the inquiry here. Regardless of the outcome of this, I think it would be beneficial for the community to have a clear guideline of what constitutes an official source.
In the case of different credits between Theatrical and DVD release, what's the version that prevails?
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The first release, the theatrical release in this case. If you wish to submit further evidence to our Data Editors to prove that this was the case, please feel free to do so as advised above.
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