An honorable user invites me stop contributing

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Official representatives, please react or explain where I am wrong.

The situation, step by step:
  1. Six hours ago I saw the 'problem' thread because Michelle replied there, so the topic come to my eye;
  2. I tried and found a free time of my personal life to find an opportunity to watch that movie under question, it was found, then watched, then I replied in 3 hours;
  3. Then the person who asked for help replied that she does not know what to do next, so I did what should be done to make the base correct:
  4. ;
  5. And someone, namely Ed Jones has a problem with this and invites me stop contributing:
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Well thank you for starting the thread.
Your behavior will cost me a rejection.
You have admitted that your rejections have gone up.
Could this be because you jump in and make submissions when somebody else already has?
You were not involved in the thread at all.
I had made the first reply to her.
The Second.
The Third.
Look at your insensitive and confusing first reply


I'm at a loss to figure it out!

Now it would have been not a big deal if you had waited a few hours before jumping on the submission. But no. Not even an hour passed after she posed the question "What should I do?"

While your eagerness to help is admirable, your jumping in and making a submission without thinking or extrapolating this. "Gee, I wonder if someone else is doing it?"
Maybe this is why your submissions have a high reject rate. (Duplication)(Inaccurate) Etc.
You are going to cause me a declined.
This will effect my accuracy rating.
Please think before you submit. You have been doing a poor job so far.
Please DO NOT let your poor decisions effect others as you have just done.
Thanks
Ed
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Official representatives, please also note that my submission was done simultaneously with the opponent's reply:


and please also note that his reply includes the wrong advice:
Change it from "Extra" to "credit only"
Please also note he made no practical efforts to provide his submission with proofs, and based it only on Michelle and my efforts.

And all these here above in addition to the initially explained problem.
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MAthePA and Ed: I'm not sure I understand what the problem is. How is Darianne supposed to be listed on this film, and what did each of you submit that is different from what the other person submitted? I don't understand how either of you could have affected the other person's accuracy rating.
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gromit82, thank you for care. 
I think the question "How is Darianne supposed to be listed" should be discussed in the thread started by Darianne, or all the related answers are there already. 

I don't know how this particular submission could interrupt others, maybe such was in early 2000s, but the
problem is: Ed Jones attacks me in different questions and threads with no objective reasons. And if those reasons would even be present, the way he does is not bearable for any healthy community. He doing in different periods of time but constantly. In short words: if theoretically he would apologize for his behavior to solve this problem, I would not accept because I have silently excused him many many times before. 
Should I search and provide multiple links (some of them in web archive)?

Now his attacks must be stopped finally.
I wait for official response.

PS: I have no problem to participate in hot discussions where opponents may be even mutually rude in words but they have knowledge, enough skilled and intelligent to defend with arguments. Ed is totally another case, his weapon is bulling, provocation, spam-like obsession, abuse.

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gromit82, half the time I actually don't understand what's going on when MAthePA collides with Ed or vice versa. 
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MAthePA: I don't want to belabor any conflicts that you have had with Ed, but I am just trying to figure out what the problem is.

In the other thread Darianne started, it looked like both of you submitted the same data, 11 minutes apart.

If that is true data, and it probably is, then how could it affect the accuracy rating for either of you when you both submitted the same thing?

It's my impression that IMDb does not hold it against any contributor if they submit the same information that another contributor has already submitted, if it is true information.

To take a real life example, when Jeffrey Epstein (III) died last month, I submitted a date of death for him to IMDb. I know that my submission was not the one accepted, because I submitted his place of death as "New York City, New York, USA", whereas IMDb posted it as "Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA" (more specific). That's not a problem for me. My submission was true even though someone else had a better submission of the same information.

On the other hand, on the old Contributors Help message board, Jon Reeves (then-head of data acquisition) once posted about all the data submissions they had received about Jerry Orbach's death, which listed among them three different days and two different places of death (New York City vs. Los Angeles). The people who submitted incorrect information would have had their accuracy ratings drop, but not the people who submitted duplicative correct information.
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gromit82, it should be noted that some submissions are combined by editors. I remember adding a web-series episode which, by the look of the end result was combined with an another submission of the same episode. 
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gromit82:
The problem is: Ed Jones attacks me in different questions and threads with no objective reasons. And if those reasons would even be present, the way he does is not bearable for any healthy community. He doing in different periods of time but constantly. In short words: if theoretically he would apologize for his behavior to solve this problem, I would not accept because I have silently excused him many many times before. 
Should I search and provide multiple links (some of them in web archive)?

I have no problem to participate in hot discussions where opponents may be even mutually rude in words but they have knowledge, enough skilled and intelligent to defend with arguments. Ed is totally another case, his weapon is bulling, provocation, spam-like obsession, abuse.

Now his attacks must be stopped finally.
I wait for official response.

Thank you for caring
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MAthePA to be honest: while Ed might be over-enthusiastic on some issues and it often happens when he crosses paths with you...  I could've complained the same way about you more than once.

I guess things like that just happen, because people are not autmatically compatible and will see issues in other people's behaviour rather than their own. I'm saying that because as an aside and from where I am both of you are very helpful to causal IMDb users and are of great value to community. I don't get why you clash that much. 
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You can ask him why in your PM channel. The time when I cared why is far far back in past, now I care when it will stop, and I hope as soon as possible. Please do not implant the untrue ideas when addressing me here with "why you clash that much".
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MAthePA well, I had no intention of "implanting the untrue ideas" (that is a very hard task to do, actually: requires planning, experience and/or resources none of which I have for that specific purpose, nor that I haven intention either), I was merely sharing an observation. I go through every single commentary on IMDb's GS boards at least once in a few days (usually more as it clutters my e-mail; kinda glad for it, keeps me active) and I couldn't help but notice that you and Ed do not get along together in most of the scenarios. I was simply not able to find a better term than "clash" on a short notice. 
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To both of you G82 and N.Y.
Marianne made no submission.
I was interacting with her the previous day first.
MtP came in on the second day with the confusingly written reply above.
When Michelle ruled, Marianne replied. "What to do?"
Both I AND MtP made the very same submission. Mine was second according to the timestamp.
His will be approved. Mine will be denied as a duplicate.
This will effect my overall accuracy rating.
MtP has stated in other threads that his denied submission rate has gone up and he is reluctant to make submissions at all
My theory is that he makes submissions that are duplicates of others submissions. They get denied.
In this case his submission beat mine. I will suffer the declined against my overall accuracy because of this.
When he is the first to handle something I do not usually interject unless his thinking is incorrect, and he has given bad advice. Otherwise I let him do his work. But I NEVER make submissions on these.
Ever.

I steer clear of this because I know from witnessing his help pattern, that he will make a submission.
But he knows that I do too. Yet he cannot extrapolate this thinking in reverse.
He just makes a submission without forethought. He never takes this into account.
Ever!

Thanks
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Ed:
Both I AND MtP made the very same submission. Mine was second according to the timestamp.
His will be approved. Mine will be denied as a duplicate.
This will effect my overall accuracy rating.
No, I don't think it will harm your accuracy rating. I could be wrong, but if both your submissions are the same true information, it should not harm your standing with IMDb.

Now, it is possible that MAthePA will get the "Col point" for the submission and get credit for the item and you won't, to be counted for the list of the top data contributors of the year (see https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/imdb-top-250-data-contributors-for-2018-o1mpe9gmkbnli). But there shouldn't be any detriment to you.

When a major new film is announced, I'm sure IMDb often gets multiple submissions of the same information from different people on the same day, but they wouldn't count anything negative against the people who submitted later in the day.
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I don't think being the first to reply (even with multiple messages), conveys ownership to the thread.

On the thread about darianne's credit,
MAthePA stated that he watched the film and looked at each female face (4:39pm)

To which darianne asked (at 7:09pm):
So now what do I do... this just keeps getting weirder.
According to the timestamps on GetSatisfaction, these 2 replies were 5 seconds apart (7:21pm):

From Ed's post, I infer that he's trying to teach darianne how to Contribute, giving no indication that he would contribute the change for her. But 13 minutes later, when Ed posts his own contribution screenshot, he states:
You jump in MtP after not responding to this thread at all and make a submission.
This ignores the 4:39pm post where MAthePA stated he watched the film.


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Look if you knew about our past history......... he asked that I "But Out" of any post he was involved with. That happened when I commented on a thread with "Praise"!!!!!!
He asked that I not Praise him or defend him because it made him "Upset"
I complied.
I do not directly comment and tried to steer clear of his posts or threads so as to make him feel better.
But the same courtesy is not extended to me. No Quid Pro Quo!
I have done as he asked.
Talk about following me around!!!!!!!!!! Pot calling the Kettle Black.
He Jumped in on another post just a couple of days ago and referred to one of my comments on a thread without using my name but using a URL link to be cute!

He has selective memory and has failed to bring that up here.
I'm off to search for it now.
Will post it
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https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/how-do-i-delete-a-credit-if-i-dont-have-proof-that-it-isnt-f...

Read the advice given by MtP at the bottom also, (Advising that the user cheat the system) never mind the slant directed at myself and Nikolay.

Plus he was not addressing the original poster, he was bolstering his obsession with me be commenting on an agitator on this platform that has commented derogatorily not just to me but to others here Bobby Hall.

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MtP was not making comments to help the poster of the thread but to attack me personally.
This post I was communicating first with the poster. MtP came in after and rather than contribute help to the poster selected to reply to an agitator, so as to agitate Bobby Hall further.

Here is his post and my reply. I makes mention of the truce he requested, in which I was complying with until that moment.

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Hi, Bobby Hall.

Some editors do personal favors for persons they know somehow or IMDb Champions ask for personally, speculating on vandalism:
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/an-attempt-to-vandalize-gs-user-imdb-page-with-a-title-addit...

but unfortunately, their eyes may be constantly closed to factual data provided with evidence:
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/i-have-credits-incorrectly-posted-to-my-imdb-profile-how-do-i-get-them-removed

In view of the above practice, maybe Kallie Tabor should open*** a new thread marked as "PROBLEM" and say that her IMDb page is vandalized... or what? Hard to say. It is not normal, but they do as they do, inspiring for extras.

*** This is that part where he advises a solution that "CHEATS" the system. To advise someone to remove a credit claiming something that he does not know to be true or false is astounding. Why has no one noticed this and put a stop to it.

Also my very next reply addresses another problem that many contributors are overly quick to suggest.

Please read.

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Since you decide to reference me, then my no comment to you is turned off on this one.
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/an-attempt-to-vandalize-gs-user-imdb-page-with-a-title-addit...
You verified my very point. My page had an erroneous credit, and it was gone in two days. Not 2 months. Not 2 Years. We are are own "Lifelock" There is no email being sent when changes are made to ones page. So we as owners or as listed persons of the database must be vigilant on or own. Oh, and NO ONE did me a personal "Favor". Nikolay was "highly upset" that someone would vandalize my page. I was going to delete it but he beat me to it! And started that topic. As usual your speculation lacks facts.

Now the second topic.
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/i-have-credits-incorrectly-posted-to-my-imdb-profile-how-do-i-get-them-removed

I advised that person to do the same thing that I advised the person here. Provide proof by way of screenshots. Do the labor to prove your point. Well they did not. YOU DID IT. It's not my job nor yours to do all the hard work. You have less info to go on when you take on a task like that. Plus you are formulating extrapolations that may be based on a flawed supposition. Therefor you are making submissions that you can't be sure of.

Also this advice of someone else's credits are on their page, or the similar name theory should not be dangled like a quick patch job either. People will automatically run around the database looking for a person to dump their credits on with a similar name. Then that person comes here saying that those are not their credits. Because of these credit dumps you create a never ending cycle of musical credits. Or pin the credit on the Donkey!!!! This type of bad advice needs to be stopped. I NEVER volunteer the similar name theory for credit relocation. It sends the wrong message. Asking for more information and then determining that a name split is needed after examination would avoid problems.

And please don't sit here and say I called you some name or something MtP.
It has not happened. And sorry if you may not "Get" the language.

If you wonder why your submissions are being rejected, then it is for the flawed logic that you are using when doing submissions.

Cheers
:):)


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Didn’t we already had these type of discussions in the past? Anyone can reply to any thread at any time if it comes to that. Of course people should keep their posts informative (this is not a witty chit-chat movie forum after all), civil and all that, but in the end this is a public forum.


Also, can someone point to the guide or the official reply to where IMDb staff says that some ”rejection” hurts your accuracy rating?
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Ed Jones (XLIX), was wondering whether these exist too, thanks for pointing at the part of the message. Pointing because I've seen it, read it and yet never noticed that first sentence confirming that such ratings do exist. :)
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That is what bothers me about MAthePA. He specifically asked that I not directly address him. So I made the effort to steer clear of his posts and topics he was helping on. For over 2 months, mind you. I know that he will make submissions for others all the time, so I would not just jump in and make a submission anywhere he has involvement. I do not want my accuracy to go down. But he does not feel the need to do the same in reverse.
Will (Employee) asked that we stay in our respective corners. I have complied. MAthePA has not.

This is why I was upset with him. Ignoring Will, and possibly costing me a reject/denied contribution which reflects badly on my record.
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Accuracy tracking exists as stated in the Contributors' Charter, but this doesn't necessarily mean that every declined edit in an update history affects that accuracy tracking. Such details have not been revealed to my knowledge.

If you wish to know more about the tracking I suggest you ask IMDb about it.
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Ed: In the thread at https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/contributors-accuracy-rating, Col Needham wrote (quoting from the Contributors Charter in the first paragraph below):
IMDb tracks each contributor's accuracy over time and if any contributor repeatedly submits data which is inaccurate or which violates our policies, their contributions will require increasing levels of additional proof in order to be processed.

The accuracy rating is an internal measure which is not available or shared externally; only the appropriate IMDb staff have access to it. 
Note what the Contributors Charter says -- "inaccurate or which violates our policies".

A submission which is accurate, and does not violate policies, is not going to harm your accuracy rating just because it turned out to be unnecessary due to an earlier submission of the same information by someone else.

99.9% or more of the submissions made to IMDb by all contributors are never mentioned on this message board. Nobody can be sure that any particular submission they make is not a duplicate of something that someone else already submitted.

In fact, if MAthePA had made his same data submission for Darianne but never mentioned it on this board,  you would never have known about it and yet your submission of the same information would be a duplicate just the same. You would be in exactly the same position vis-a-vis your accuracy rating as you are now, just without knowing about it. (Which, as it turns out, is a neutral position, since your accuracy rating was not actually harmed.) 
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