Attribute None, none, no dialogue in Language section

Thanks Michelle. Hope to hear from you soon on this!

Maybe there should be a new language option "Unknown" in cases of silent movies that show people talking but which include neither subtitles nor intertitles (nor title cards nor credits) and in which it is generally hard to tell what is being verbalized merely by lipreading.

Hmm, I see your point and I wouldn't object to it, but I think this would mostly confuse people and might lead to wrong corrections of people trying to "fix" it. (I also think there are very very few of these titles, but that shouldn't be a reason to include or exclude this option). Apart from that, one could say that a silent film without subtitles/intertitles doesn't have any language, so None would be fine to use.

The "(no dialogue)" attribute belongs in both the sound mix section and the language section, for works to which it would apply.

Can you give an example of a title to which it would apply? The way I see it, if the language None is used, it's already clear that there is no dialogue in the title, so I think it should never be used, or at least, not in combination with the language None.

As for silent (or dialogue-free) films with subtitles or intertitles, the proper language option should be selected and simply accompanied by the attribute "(subtitles)", "(intertitles)", "(text)", "(credits)", "(title card)", "(version)" or some combination thereof, because there is indeed a language.

Agreed. And for clarity, I feel (subtitles) shouldn't be used because it also has a different meaning. Also, I feel (title card) and, in most cases, (text) shouldn't be used because (intertitles) is apparently preferred.

Marco, an exception would have be be made for language "None". I meant to make that clear, which is why I stated that such a language should have no attributes whatsoever. Capisce?

Well, the attribute "(subtitles)" will have to be used for cases in which subtitles do indeed appear. Of course, it has a different meaning. Nobody suggested otherwise. Indeed, we can stick to just "(subtitles)", "(intertitles)" and "(credits)", as "(title card)" would be kind of redundant with "(intertitles)" since the term often used to refer to intertitles rather than strictly the on-screen title-of-the-movie, and since "(text)" is vague. Anyway, the whole point of the attribute field is to explain the nature of the selected item. The language of a movie can come in a variety of attributes, unless the language is None. I'm not sure what term or word best describes the title-of-the-movie indicator within the content of the movie, but there probably needs to be an attribute for it.

Marco, an exception would have be be made for language "None". I meant to make that clear, which is why I stated that such a language should have no attributes whatsoever. Capisce?\

I  understand what you mean now. Thanks.

I've done so now adding a new block and message to prevent this from happening again.

I hope a staffer will read this, because although I do see the blocks for (none) and (no dialogue), I also see that in the dropdown menu (none), (None) and (no dialogue) are still listed, with 179, 367 and 2,998 titles attached to them respectively.

I've done so now adding a new block and message to prevent this from happening again.

I hope a staffer will read this, because although I do see the blocks for (none) and (no dialogue), I also see that in the dropdown menu (none), (None) and (no dialogue) are still listed, with 179, 367 and 2,998 titles attached to them respectively.

I've converted all instances of (Silent) and (silent film) to (silent)

Thanks for that.

however I wouldn't want to remove all instances of (silent) on those titles without a full audit being done that confirms that there are no subtitles or intertitles on those films.

That's understandable.

I've converted all silent film with music only entries to none.

Thanks again.