I was watching the first episode of Cleverman season 2 and unlike season 1 which had standard credits at the beginning and the rest of the cast after the show, season 2 has regular begin credits and then "credits in order of appearance" which are the complete credits and contains most of the credits at the beginning. However, for credited casts that don't appear, they aren't in the end credits. How do you handle this situation? Do you list the the credits starting from the beginning and ignore the duplication in at the end? Do you list the actors in the beginning credits as "credit only" but no order? I've never seen this situation in all my edits before.
Adrian, Champion
Posted 3 years ago
Michelle, Official Rep
Adrian, Champion
Michelle, Official Rep
Hi Adrian -
Thanks for the additional details. To clarify further, in the case for this particular episode we would go by the order of the end credits (as they are the full credits). For cast members who are credited in the opening credits but not in the end credits (who were credited but not featured in the actual episode), should be listed with the attribute "credit only" and listed without a cast order number.
Often times you will see other television episodes where series regulars are credited in the opening credits and additional cast will be credited in the end credits, in this scenario we would list the credits in the order based on the opening credits followed by the end credits.
Thanks for the additional details. To clarify further, in the case for this particular episode we would go by the order of the end credits (as they are the full credits). For cast members who are credited in the opening credits but not in the end credits (who were credited but not featured in the actual episode), should be listed with the attribute "credit only" and listed without a cast order number.
Often times you will see other television episodes where series regulars are credited in the opening credits and additional cast will be credited in the end credits, in this scenario we would list the credits in the order based on the opening credits followed by the end credits.
Michelle, Official Rep
You're welcome, and thanks for taking the time to correct the listing! These kinds of TV credit scenarios can be a little complicated, so I'm happy to help clarify the policy. Have a good weekend!
Adrian, Champion
Hi Michelle,
I put the update in (https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/update?load=170707-170919-376000). Part of it went through but it never fully updated to the way I listed the credits. I looked today (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6015370/) and it is fully back to the way it was before I put my edit in. Can you take a look and see why it hasn't been implemented (or was reverted) and advise me what to do next?
I put the update in (https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/update?load=170707-170919-376000). Part of it went through but it never fully updated to the way I listed the credits. I looked today (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6015370/) and it is fully back to the way it was before I put my edit in. Can you take a look and see why it hasn't been implemented (or was reverted) and advise me what to do next?
Michelle, Official Rep
Hi Adrian -
I noted that there is another user contradicting the credit order, which is why the updates were reverted. I have now manually adjusted the cast credit order for the episode "Revival" here, the change should be live on the site shortly. I have also taken steps to ensure that the data is not reverted again.
I noted that there is another user contradicting the credit order, which is why the updates were reverted. I have now manually adjusted the cast credit order for the episode "Revival" here, the change should be live on the site shortly. I have also taken steps to ensure that the data is not reverted again.
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Adrian, Champion
Thanks Michelle. I will go ahead and submit the edit for episode 1.2 It will be update 170710-191248-046200
Adrian, Champion
Hi Michelle,
I hate to harp on this, but it looks like both the cast and writers on "Revival" have once again reverted to the incorrect order. Is it possible to reach out to the other user and point him to these threads?
I hate to harp on this, but it looks like both the cast and writers on "Revival" have once again reverted to the incorrect order. Is it possible to reach out to the other user and point him to these threads?
Adrian, Champion
In the case of the episode I'm asking about, the ending credits are the most comprehensive one (though it doesn't list all the actors in the beginning credits, mainly because they didn't appear. That's what brought me to the question as it seems that it doesn't fall perfectly into either case.
Adrian, Champion
Hunter Page-Lochard
Rob Collins
Tasma Walton
Rarriwuy Hick
Rachael Blake
Jada Alberts
Clarence John Ryan (as Clarence Ryan)
Tony Briggs
Luke Ford
Tamala Shelton
Marcus Graham
Deborah Mailman
Frances O'Connor
Iain Glen
After the show it says "Cast in order of appearance"
Hunter Page-Lochard Keon West
Marcus Graham Stephen McIntyre
Iain Glen Jarrod Slade
Jada Alberts Nerida West
Tysan Towney Djukara
Kamil Ellis Mungo
Tessa Rose Yani
Rarriwuy Hicks Latani
Tamala Shelton Alinta West
Clarence Ryan Jari
Ali Kadim Young Hairy
Rupert Reid Chief of Staff
Hoa Xuande Advisor #1
Shiv Palekar Advisor #2
Rachael Blake Marion Frith
Sarah Armanious Lucia
Frances O'Connor Charlotte Cleary
Nicolas Hope Dr. Mitchell
Rob Collins Waruu
Luke Ford Tim Dolan
Deborah Mailman Aunty Linda
Isaac Drandic Hairy
Nathan Wentzel Dying Hairy
Andreas Lohmeyer Young Broker #1
Chad Mathew Whitelaw Young Broker #2
Kasia Stelmach Beautiful Woman
Tony Briggs Boondee/Trevor
Allen Huynh Everick
Mark Winter Hendricks
Warwick Sadler Jeremy Joplin
So, you are saying that this should be the correct ordering of the cast:
Hunter Page-Lochard Keon West
Rob Collins Waruu
Tasma Walton Araluen (credit only)
Rarriwuy Hicks Latani
Rachael Blake Marion Frith
Jada Alberts Nerida West
Clarence John Ryan Jari (as Clarence Ryan)
Tony Briggs Boondee/Trevor
Luke Ford Tim Dolan
Tamala Shelton Alinta West
Marcus Graham Stephen McIntyre
Deborah Mailman Aunty Linda
Frances O'Connor Charlotte Cleary
Iain Glen Jarrod Slade
Tysan Towney Djukara
Kamil Ellis Mungo
Tessa Rose Yani
Ali Kadim Young Hairy
Rupert Reid Chief of Staff
Hoa Xuande Advisor #1
Shiv Palekar Advisor #2
Sarah Armanious Lucia
Nicolas Hope Dr. Mitchell
Isaac Drandic Hairy
Nathan Wentzel Dying Hairy
Andreas Lohmeyer Young Broker #1
Chad Mathew Whitelaw Young Broker #2
Kasia Stelmach Beautiful Woman
Allen Huynh Everick
Mark Winter Hendricks
Warwick Sadler Jeremy Joplin
So, the only person in the start credits not listed is Tasma Walton. If the cast list were complete, would we then order by the end credits (because that is going to be confusing for a show!)