Birth names no longer a useful section of the database?

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I just noticed this article https://www.imdb.com/news/ni62580914 that links to this article https://variety.com/2019/film/actors/imdb-alters-policy-publication-birth-names-1203300451/. I just want a staffer to respond to this news. Is it true that IMDb allows birth names to be completely to be deleted from the database, nowhere to be found? If this is not true, that's good. If this is true, the database has been compromised and IMDb has made a step in the wrong, Orwellian direction.


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What is this?
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IMDb's policy change has invited further demands. I hope they ask themselves whether they will please anyone by giving in to more demands.
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Uuugh ok.. well i hope this will be the ONLY valid information that imdb removes..
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I hope that they also address their policy with previous credits under deadnames, and I hope that they fix the way that they identify non-binary actors. I have been advocating for all of these fixes, along with other people, this whole time. This is a partial fix, and I am not going away until all of the issues that affect the trans community are addressed.
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Once all these demands are met, will that be the end of it? Or will there be more demands?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled IMDb Policy.

Hello Michelle,

Please, i just wanna make sure,

will all valid films, tv shows and video games stay on imdb permanently?

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Could I please speak to an imdb staffer.
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I hope IMDb takes a careful look at this thread and notices what contempt the activists have for the database and its contributors. Agree to their demands and you can expect more demands and fewer contributors.
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https://contribute.imdb.com/czone/hall_of_fame
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No Top Titles or Names contributors ? ?

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Well said J.
IMDb should reverse their decision. Not one thank you will ever be uttered. This small give in will embolden these people. We are only talking about a .6% of the population here that believe in this nonsense that deadnaming is an issue. This IS a SELF INFLICTED malady that was easily avoided.
Why should anyone accommodate the wishes of those that bring a malady upon themselves? They believe that their choices have consequences. They do. If you chose a lifestyle and don't expect judgement by a certain percentage of the populace you are delusional. There are people that are openly gay. They hide nothing. They face ridicule on a daily basis. That is sad. But it is a fact that cannot be denied. To ask that you be given special status based on a self chosen change is asking too much.
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Your earlier vial and hateful diatribe has made you non credible.
Sock Puppeteering Especiality P Pants Mrs Whoever
Bye Bye
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Look, if imdb is gonna start caving in to all these different groups and giving in to demands to start removing various, factual, legitimate, valid information.. then i’m done, i’m not gonna use this site anymore
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imdb is going to do what makes sense from a money and business perspective which is not the same as from being a repository of movie,tv,etc data. If imdb wasn't connected to imdbpro a/o amazon this wouldn't be happening.
Frankly I still lack the understanding as to the harm with keeping the names because I've not been able to find anything where someone has been harmed (and I've done searches). At the same time, not having had anyone harmed doesn't mean it's a slam dunk to keep the info either.
Unfortunately no one here has made a cogent argument why the names are a problem with any specificity and I've asked over and over.
Also anyone who has been credited under any name, should be maintained because if the video is out there, then it is out there and it's not like the name is going to be removed from the credits on existing videos. That means those names are going to stay in the public forever or until all that media self-destructs.
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 There are many visitors that look up info at IMDb everyday

There are more than 106,680,000 IMDb registered Users
https://www.imdb.com/user/ur106680000

IMDb may not care if 1 or 2 leave

Stay and offer Comments and Contributions to improve IMDb
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...I’ve received a total of 77 likes?.. nice!
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Typical. Just how do you know what my race is? Because all liberals assume that all minorities must be and have a particular opinion. You have no idea whether I've been discriminated against or not. For the record I have and won two discrimination cases.
So go back to the drawing board of trying to make this into a race issue because it has nothing to do with race. The only time people try to put this into race is when they are losing their argument and they think that will make people shut up because they're afraid of being called a bigot. You're not going to win that argument here.
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There you go again.
"Hitler would have gotten as many likes."-snowflake espeical

You know I'm a "straight white male" how?
Again, for the record, one of my cases was for being denied a job(actually a promotion) because of race.
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Hey now your a No Star.... ...you get that..... that your not game!
Hey now your a No Star........its time that......that you go away!
All that glitters is not gold.............you are gettin so oh-o-old!

Bye now..........have a great day..............please just.......... go-a-way-hey!



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You make it personal - "What race were you that was "undesirable"?"-PPP/snowflake

Only reason I'm responding is to lock your comment so people will see just who you are. You challenge me making assumptions that are wrong and lose, so then you make a personal attack.
See I knew you were PPP even though you changed your little icon.
I've not made a single personal comment about you. I've only tried to engage in a dialogue on the issue.
All you've proved is you cannot make a successful argument so then you go to the gutter.

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lol. comments locked.
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Mike do as I do.

Put one single period.


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A period will lock a reply.
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She will be suspended shortly again.
They will eventually block her IP
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I hope before that she'll get at least one like. over 30 posts in less than a day and not a single like. Most people would take that as an opportunity for some internal reflection, or some condemnation.
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I wonder what the unedited comment was.
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Everybody's talkin at me......can't hear a word they're sayin......only the echos of my mind.
I'm gonna let you leave..........Bye Bye.
Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah.....Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Waaaaaah
[Nilson Smilson] or whatever their name was~!
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Snowflake's comments are all gone. How does that happen?
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Site moderators removed the comments.
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Site moderators removed the comments.
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I think it's the first time I've seen (or not seen as the case may be ) that. I guess the snowflake melted. I was really hoping to see any replies to finding a movie that blew their premise. Oh well, my life will still go on, but I'm worried about PPP/Snowflake/Reincarnation
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Mike if you look back at my contributions you will see about 10-15 of these type of topics. Odd thing is is that are usually no more than 5 people and on average 2 1/2 persons on one side and 3 to 8 regular contributors that try to make common sense and point out the very same thing (Fact and Truth), but they always ignore that. Society has degraded to a point where people have been conditioned by the media and academia and don't realize that they are victims of it. The conditioning is so well planned that the people on the other side of any debate (us) are bigots, racists and the like. So they do not have any idea that they are that way. Free thinking and adaptability is not in their wheelhouse. They are frozen in thought. Unmovable. Unreasonable. They are so predictable because of this. Problem is that the IMDb is a sitting target. What they don't realize is if they get their way (all 100% of the way) the database will become useless and unused. So no one will find them at all. They will have an even harder time finding work. Of course they will blame anyone but themselves for the databases shortcomings. Much like they don't blame themselves for their own lifestyle choices.
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That sounds like a pretty good description. As I've said I'm not in the biz and don't understand all the ins/outs. I also don't understand the position regarding birth names and truly have no opinion and really wanted to gain the facts, but as you said that raised the you're a bigot/racist/etc and when that was destroyed it devolved into more name calling. Saying it doesn't matter what I think is so short-sighted because wouldn't it be nice to win over an advocate?
I think I was going to post it, but ultimately didn't. The best argument I've seen yet was that the new name isn't a "stage name" and that the new name is a more fundamental change. I feel like that is the start of a good argument, but unless someone wants to discuss the issue intelligently and maturely, that won't ever happen.
Oh well.
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I was really hoping to see any replies to finding a movie that blew their premise.
Why? Do think that person is capable of admitting when she's wrong? Unless you thought you could change her mind, I'm not sure what was the point of arguing with her.

Besides, this thread was supposed to be a discussion of IMDb policy, not a debate on transgenderism. May I encourage contributors to delete any posts of theirs that went off topic?

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Isn't this a mixed message on the trans birth name issue/decision.

Doesn't this article paint a mixed message?
https://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2019/01/28/Two-transgender-actors-cast-in-Marvels-Spider-Man-...

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thought the reason for removing the birth names was to protect transgender privacy. I've scanned a lot of articles in the
past few days and cannot find one that specifies the exact privacy issue
except that the birth name would out them as being trans.  The harm
that I've seen specified is the inability to get a job because one is trans. 

So if I take it on face value, trans people should not want any publicity as being trans, right?
Then
I find this article where two actors are in a big budget flick and that
someone formed a talent agency just for trans actors.  It's this latter
part that has me stymied. So if the concern from above is to keep
secret someone is trans, having a talent agency that only reps for trans
actors would be a dead bang giveaway that someone is trans.  But wait a
minute, weren't we supposed to be protecting the privacy of people that
were trans and not outing them as trans??

Isn't this an oxymoron?
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What did I tell ya Mike!
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Just curious. Would the film the Snowman be considered from 2017, mainstream, and by one of the main studios?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1758810
Because if it is, there is a transgender person in it. And it only took looking at 3 films to find it. If I'm right, just how many more might there be?
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Found another when just scanning. Kong:Skull Island and The Glass Castle

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3731562/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2378507/

Funny how a statement can be incorrect but accepted as fact.

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The almighty Satan will feast on your souls, and once he is done, he will then shit them out into the void

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