Can you please disable or hide the Leader Board in the GetSat sidebar? Here's why....

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This is really a complaint for GetSat not IMDb -- but hopefully IMDb can set a preference option somewhere to disable the Leader Board widget in the sidebar.

There is no way that I should be listed as the 3rd "most helpful member".  I'm now listed above Dan and Gromit and gaining on Bluesman?  Ridiculous.

In a blog post, the geniuses at GetSat explained that the leader board shows "the top 5 most helpful members" (uh huh) "from your community based on the
number of likes they’ve received on replies and comments over the past 30 days."

Counting silly "likes" in a 30-day window to determine who'll be labeled "most helpful"?  Everything about that is wrong.  It would be better not to display the Leader Board at all, so please turn it off if you can.

Just because a few posts got some "likes" in a month, a dabbling noncommittal newcomer who knows 0.001% as much about IMDb as the regular volunteers (and owes most of what he does know to them) and puts in about 0.001% as much effort on an ongoing  basis, and provides 0.001% as much help on an ongoing  basis, and may disappear from the board any day now, just rockets  right up to 3rd place on the so-called Leader Board? ...Riiiiiight.

"The leaderboard is a great way to recognize and reward your best community members," chirps the GetSat blog post.  I wish them better luck with their next attempt to design and implement something more useful and accurate.  I am not the 3rd "most helpful member", and being labeled as such, by a silly widget that does nothing better than to count a few recent "likes", is at best embarrassing.

Somebody please find a way to remove that silly widget, or take my name off of it.
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I'd like a preference option to remove all Likes from my existing posts and replies, and to disable Likes for my future posts and replies.  I want to "opt-out" of "likes" entirely.  I should submit that idea to GetSat.  I doubt they'd implement such an option, but it can't hurt to ask.
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I wrote:
... Somebody please find a way to remove that silly widget, or take my name off of it.
Easier solution:  I'll take my name off of it, by ending or at least greatly decreasing my participation on this board.  My name should slip off of the Leader Board within the month.
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Hey, Lucus:

I agree that the number of likes doesn't reflect accurately the level of helpfulness of a user, but it might be a good approximation. In your particular case I do think that your posts are really interesting (even your "just an observation" ones Birra) and it'd be a pity that you decreased your participation on the site. Just ignore the leader board. I'm sure that most of the regulars here, including the "big kahunas" bluesman, bob, gromit, Dan, David, Vincent, etc. don't post replies just to get a bunch of pointless "likes" (this is not Facebook or YouTube!)...

(and now a nice video, "a la bob style", inspired by this reply of yours)
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Hi Lucas,

We've reached out to Get Satisfaction regarding this issue.

We'll keep you updated.

-Trevor
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Hi Lucas,
Hi Trevar.  (-;  (There's no "a" in my name.)
We've reached out to Get Satisfaction regarding this issue.

We'll keep you updated.
Okey-dokey.  I assume they haven't been able to help up to now?  I had assumed that GetSat could give its business users the option not to display the "leader board" -- was I wrong, does GetSat not provide a way to remove it?  Even if they do provide that option, does IMDb prefer to continue displaying the "leader board"?

I am once again undeservedly #2 on the "leader board" due merely to a number of "Likes" clicked in the past 30 days -- while someone with vastly greater experience and contributions to IMDb (and, too, many more total GS Likes than I) is nowhere to be seen on the "leader board" at this time.
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One user clicked "Like" on most (almost all)
of the messages that I've posted recently on GetSat.

Even in a lengthy discussion with many worthy participants,
said user apparently singled out just my reply for a "Like",
but none of the others?  Really?  ... Whatever.

I don't like being #1 on the list of "Most Helpful Members".
I don't belong there.

To IMDb and GetSat:

Please, gimme a way to "opt out" of these silly "Likes".

If I don't have that option within the next 48 hours
(and I'm sure that I won't, since presumably it would
require software modification by GetSat on my behalf) ...

... then I'll be compelled to exercise my opt-out privilege
via the only available means, by canceling my GetSat account.

The clock is ticking ...
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Lucus,

Periods go inside the quotation marks (if that's English you're trying to write in).
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Lucus: I have a suggestion for you that might be helpful, but I don't know.

You might want to stop using GetSatisfaction for a while. Instead, go over to the IMDb Contributors Help board. The issues and problems people deal with over there are fairly similar to the ones dealt with here at the IMDb GS board. But there aren't any "likes" or rankings of the most helpful members over there, so you can be helpful there while still keeping a fairly low profile.

Eventually your "likes received in the last 30 days" here at GS will drop and you will fall out of the top 5 here, at which time you can come back here from time to time and participate while being relatively unlikely to rank among the "Most Helpful Members".
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... Eventually your "likes received in the last 30 days" here at GS will drop and you will fall out of the top 5 here ....
I tried that.  IIRC, I probably waited long enough to take my name down to #5 at some point ... but my score quickly rose again after I resumed frequent posting.

(Sure, I could try again and again, repeatedly leaving the board for weeks at a time to take myself off the "leader board". ... Obviously, that'd be silly.)

I say again to IMDb and GetSat:  Please give me an option to opt out of "Likes".  Of course, that's not going to happen in the near term if no such capability has been developed or even planned by GetSat.  So I'll opt out another way.

In my view, counting "Likes" is not a way to determine the "most helpful members".  Basing that determination on a 30-day count seems silly to me.  A longer time frame might be slightly less ridiculous (and I'm not the only GetSat user who has suggested increasing the time span).

I don't like (no pun intended) the idea of using "Likes" to make such determinations anyway.  Regardless of the time window, getting more "Likes" doesn't really prove much.  It is not a true measure of something meaningful such as helpfulness.

BTW, another weakness of any Likes-based measure is that it could easily be "gamed" and misused.  (As I noted, I believe one user might have recently targeted many of my comments with "Likes" with perhaps the aim to further inflate my score after I had announced my distaste for the "leader board".)

In any case, whether used properly or misused, it is clear that "Likes" are not a real measure of helpfulness.  So I'll admit, I don't like "Likes".  They just don't "click"  for me (pun intended).  I'd opt out of them entirely if I could.

The clock is ticking and I'm soon off this board, and that's fine.  Life will go on, and the board will survive, even after the former Allegedly #1 Most Helpful (But Not Really) member is long gone and forgotten.  (-;

"Contributor Zone"?  Sure, I'd go there if I were interested in becoming a data contributor but (as I'm sure I've noted before) I've contributed at most a trivial amount of data to IMDb, my experience level is very low, I'm not on a peer level with experienced contributors, and I'm not planning to apply to join the club.  Thanks for the suggestion though.
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Hi Lucas, 

Unfortunately, turning off the Leader Board or adjusting the rankings is not currently an option. I do apologize for the inconvenience.

-Trevor
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Hi Lucas,
Hi Trevar.  (-;  (There's still no "a" in my name.)

Unfortunately, turning off the Leader Board or adjusting the rankings is not currently an option. I do apologize for the inconvenience.
Okey-dokey.  Thanks for getting back to me.

Well, I guess I'll let the countdown tick down
and then I'll go.  Thanks ... it's been real.
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Lucus,

My apologies for misspelling your name. We're sorry to see you go. We've discussed this issue with our partners at Get Satisfaction and are hoping for a fix. Unfortunately, we cannot provide a time-frame for a fix if at all possible. We do appreciate the feedback and will continue to work with Get Satisfaction to find solutions to any user experience issues.

-Trevor
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Lucus,
I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say I would miss your contribution here if, for your own reason, you decided to no long frequent this forum.

Personally I find you an oddity for sure, with a manner quite unique, but one that sits nicely here. Do you lead the way in specifically solving problems for people, or coaching them how to do it themselves - no...you do not lead on those but this is not to say that people cannot "like" your posts.

I think the thing you bring to this forum is discussion and food for thought - it is an aspect I wish the staff would engage more in, and I appreciate greatly your efforts to stimulate that, even though your approach at times would not be that which i choose for myself.

I do not say these things to flatter you with false praise - I say them because this is how i think/feel. Likewise the following two sentiments are equally honest.

1) Stop being so melodramatic.
If you do not wish to use this site then stop....you appear to have your answer and have made up your mind but still we have an specially-setup countdown to this "moment"?!
How many times do we have questions here where it is clear the OP has not even glanced at the sidebar text....do you think anyone looks at this "most helpful" widget? Do you think those helping out others are here for internet points?
Given that so few OP's actually even use the "like" button, how do you even care this much about it....I mean 99% of any likes i have had have come from other regular users...I much prefer the OP to return and say "thanks man" as this is more effort than clicking a "like".

At the end of the day, likes is likes. I would like to see the "most helpful" banner gone because likes does not equate to this....but it does not mean the whole thing should be binned. Is clore the 2nd most helpful user of the last 30 days? of course not....however they have the 2nd most likes based on their targeting of one issue with great support from others. What is the problem with that? Why should this make any difference to how you or anyone else spends their time.

I say this with affection whether you believe it or not - this little tantrum makes you look petulant and all your threads suggest you are nothing of the sort.

2) Call me out or don't, but don't be snide.
Your references to "one user" targeting you is clearly directed at me; either have the honesty to say my name or have the discretion to not mention it at all....the snideness does you no favors.
The suggestion I have targeted your comments with likes is untrue; I have "liked" comments of everyone here since day 1 - yours very much included. There are times for sure i have hit yours and not read back through the thread equally hitting others, but to suggest this is a campaign is absurd.

To use an example, I like every single post I see from ljdoncel, because (a) his posts are almost always awesome and based on a lot of effort, and (b) even when his posts here are not awesome, it is because he is distracted being awesome somewhere else......I take a similar approach to several other users, although since they post more often I will not always see them or read back to them.

What i like or not is up to me, if you have an issue with this I refer you to point #1. If you wish to discuss then feel free to do so here (until staff bin archive the thread) or send me a pm but for the love of god do not tiptoe around with your non-specific suggestions...it is unbecoming and it bores me.

I'll miss you if you leave...but the silly manner of your exit will make me miss you less.

bob
note: I am not staff nor in any way affiliated with IMDb
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either have the honesty ...
I wrote:  "... I believe one user might have ...."
When I said "I believe...",  that was the truth.
... to say my name ....
I chose not to "name names".  I'll stand by my decision on that,
and I'll gladly take the flak for it.

Leaving that aside, the general point wasn't personal:
I wrote:  "... another weakness of any Likes-based measure
is that it could easily be 'gamed' and misused. ..."

That weakness remains, regardless of whether or not anyone exploits it here.  Any simplistic click-based count is at least potentially vulnerable to artificial inflation.  (Of course, that is well-known, so perhaps there was no need to mention it; but I mentioned it anyway.)
... At the end of the day, likes is likes. ....
And at the end of the day, the "leader board" is here to stay.  If GS doesn't give its business users the option to remove the "leader board" if they wish, I'd hope GS might consider providing that option in the future.

And for their business users who'd want to keep the "leader board", maybe GS can provide some configuration options.  Some possibilities were discussed a few months ago: see this thread if you're interested:
https://getsatisfaction.com/getsatisfaction/topics/customized_leaderboard

In any case, personally I don't wanna be #1 on the "leader board", I don't want to be on there at all and very soon I won't be.

I was offered (IMO much too soon) the choice to be labeled a "Champion". I declined that offer ... I was not offered the choice to be taken off of the "leader board".  I am giving myself that choice by canceling my account.
... the silly manner of your exit will make me miss you less.
Great!  Glad I could help with that!  (-;
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BluesmanSF wrote in another thread:
"... explaining in an avatar that you're not helpful ..."
My avatar does not say I'm "not helpful".  I never said that anywhere.
You wanna put words in my mouth?  Let me put something in yours first.

The avatar says: "Please disregard my name in the sidebar list of 'Most Helpful Members. ..." etc.  I said that because I don't want my name on that list (soon it won't be).  I don't consider myself one of the top 5 "Most Helpful" members (and I'm certainly not the top #1 Most Helpful among us), and I don't want my name listed on a "leader board" with that label.


Just repeating myself here, because I want these to be my last words:

As I said above, I hope GS might consider giving its business users an option to remove the "leader board" if they wish.  And for their business users who do want to keep the leader board, I hope GS can develop and provide some flexible configuration options, such as some of the ideas mentioned in a discussion several months ago at:
https://getsatisfaction.com/getsatisfaction/topics/customized_leaderboard
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Well, this didn't work out as planned ...

I "closed" the Lucus account profile (and the closure was confirmed), yet my name is still listed on the "leader board" up to now.  :-(

I was mistaken in assuming that "closing" the account profile would immediately take my name off of the "leader board".  I did not find any option to "close" the account in any other way, so I may be out of luck for now.

Supposedly, my name will drop off the "leader board" over time anyway.  I can accept that. ... But if someone out there really wants to annoy me, they may be able keep my name up on the "leader board" (against my expressed wishes!) by continuing to add "likes" to my earlier posts to maintain my undeservedly high score over time.  :-(   Please don't do that -- I want my name off of the "leader board"!

If my name does not drop off of the "leader board" within the next month or two, I'll eventually contact GS to ask if they can intervene to remove my name.
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