Certifying that a cast is complete

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If I modify a cast list, then I can also submit a Cast Complete attribute to say "I have completed the cast". But suppose the cast is already complete and needs no changes, but the title doesn't yet have a Cast Complete attribute. If I submit just this attribute, without any cast changes, the submission seems to be ignored?

Should I instead submit Cast Verified? My  understanding (which may be wrong) was that one person had to first submit Cast Complete, and once this was published, another person could submit Cast Verified.

Is it acceptable to submit Cast Verified for a title which does not already have Cast Complete? That also seems to be ignored - an example of that is 171230-203021-959000.
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Nikolay Yeriomin (Mykola Yeromin), Champion

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Hello, Martin. 

I can totally subscribe to that - in many cases credits are verified as complete, while being far from complete and omitting large portions of actual end credits of the movie. It is, certainly, a big problem, which prevents further factual edits.  
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I've always taken the "verify cast complete" as looking at the cast listing, making sure the order is correct, there are no duplicate ordering numbers, character names exist, attributes are correct and anyone not listed onscreen has the "uncredited" attribute. If these are true, then I can say I have verified the cast is complete because who did the work before me may not know about the "verified as complete". 
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I am always surprised at the number of titles which have complete/verified status but which have credits that are wrong (eg ranks like Captain or Sergeant abbreviated to Capt or Sgt when that's not what the credits say) or have the cast in a different order.

If there is no complete end-credits cast list, they you have to rely on the list of actors (usually without character names) in the opening titles and you have to infer character names from when they are mentioned in dialogue. But if there is a complete end-credits list, that is the *only* list that should be used: some people still try to put the list of big-name actors in the opening titles ahead of the list - which is not what IMDB wants (they want the single most-complete list to be used).
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”Cast Verified” can cause annoying problems in the future if there are mistakes - or even if there are some ”uncredited” credits that are deserved to be credited.


Honestly, I personally rarely use this option, even when I’m 99-100% sure that all the credited (but not necessarily ”uncredited”) credits are complete. I have learned that many smaller (and often older) productions, TV shows, animations, short films etc have often kind of short credit reels and often several names are not credited. Sometimes you know this just by looking at the credits (some important occupations are not listed).


I mean, IMO, IMDb is there to record - and preserve - history. Credited or uncredited. With the latter, you obviously need more proof/sources etc, and these ”uncredited” credits should be evaluated case by case. But I’m not of fan that a person who doesn’t necessarily know all the personnel from the production (or worse yet - wasn’t involved with the production in any way) is ticking ”ALL the credits COMPLETE and VERIFIED” boxes.
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Hi Martin -

To help clarify, you can submit a cast or crew as complete without having to submit any cast/crew data, this is because you are just verifying that the information we have listed for these sections is complete on the site.   I also reviewed the Cast Complete submission you referenced for the episode of "Cribb" and noted that your submission was accepted.

Furthermore, you shouldn't submit that a cast/crew is complete unless all the on-screen credits are listed.  If there are credits that may be missing, such as uncredited entries, those can still be submitted after a cast/crew list has been verified by accepting the Warning in the Update form.
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OK. Is there any reason why a Cast Complete that is submitted without accompanying cast modifications should take longer to be processed that a submission that includes both?

180110-153511-877000
180110-153915-892000
180113-170447-217000

are examples of episodes whose Cast Complete flag is not yet visible, and which had no cast modifications, just the setting of Cast Complete.


180113-162801-102000
180113-170652-566000

are examples of submissions made a few minutes earlier/later which had both cast modifications and Cast Complete, and these had their Cast Complete flag visible within an hour or so.
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Hi Martin,

Thanks for spotting this, you are correct it looks like there is a notification not firing on these titles. I've cut a ticket for our tech teams to investigate. We'll let you know once this has been resolved.

Thanks,
Will
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Hi Martin,

This has now been resolved. Thanks again.

Regards,
Will