Hello,
I am a loyal contributor for quite some time. Because of my background I focus on action movies, fighters and stunt performers, whom I believe to deserve just as much recognition as A-actors.
Anyway, I've noticed that some complex updates get accepted easily, while other simple to prove updates don't get accepted. Unfortunately I deleted a lot of my history but the following corrections I'd like to discuss and prove.
- Credits lists marked as complete, while they aren't. This makes it impossible to add names.
- Actors who passed away, but even after providing links, the update isn't accepted.
- Credits that should be removed because the actor wasn't in that film, but I can't get it deleted.
- Removing bios that never had permission, or are old/inaccurate, doesn't get accepted.
Regards.
I am a loyal contributor for quite some time. Because of my background I focus on action movies, fighters and stunt performers, whom I believe to deserve just as much recognition as A-actors.
Anyway, I've noticed that some complex updates get accepted easily, while other simple to prove updates don't get accepted. Unfortunately I deleted a lot of my history but the following corrections I'd like to discuss and prove.
- Credits lists marked as complete, while they aren't. This makes it impossible to add names.
- Actors who passed away, but even after providing links, the update isn't accepted.
- Credits that should be removed because the actor wasn't in that film, but I can't get it deleted.
- Removing bios that never had permission, or are old/inaccurate, doesn't get accepted.
Regards.
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Posted 2 years ago
Col Needham, Official Rep
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Anyway, I've noticed that some complex updates get accepted easily, while other simple to prove updates don't get accepted. Unfortunately I deleted a lot of my history but the following corrections I'd like to discuss and prove.It is not easy to help without specifics, but we will try. First, please note IMDb policies, operational procedures and processing tools are constantly evolving. If you submitted something in the past and it was not accepted, yet subsequently one of those policies/procedurer/tools have changed then it might be accepted now. This is why we prefer to work with specific examples from actual contributions (and we can more easily adjust things when made aware of a specific mistake).
Second, please see https://contribute.imdb.com/charter and without knowing any details, the sentences which may most apply in your case might be "We respectfully ask that contributors follow these policies even if they may personally disagree (in which case debate is, of course, encouraged)." and "IMDb tracks each contributor's accuracy over time and if any contributor repeatedly submits data which is inaccurate or which violates our policies, their contributions will require increasing levels of additional proof in order to be processed."
Third, since there seem to be problems, we recommend you ensure you have read all the appropriate guides and policies at https://help.imdb.com/contribution and especially the relevant articles in https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/contribution-information/submission-guides-a-z/GWBAHK9SAM... -- if something is unclear we are always happy to clarify. We prefer the guides to be as comprehensive and consistent as possible.
Bearing the above in mind then:
- Credits lists marked as complete, while they aren't. This makes it impossible to add names.How do you mean? If a title is incorrectly tagged as cast/crew complete, it should (almost always) be possible to override the warning and send any uncredited data anyway or to request the removal the completeness tag, please see https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/complete-cast-crew/GMZECKUS8JG34C4J
- Actors who passed away, but even after providing links, the update isn't accepted.The most likely issue here will be the validity of the links. It's not just any link. Please see https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/names-biographical-data/biographical-data-guidelines/GMT9... specifically "We are looking for links to public records, printed publications, or official documents."
- Credits that should be removed because the actor wasn't in that film, but I can't get it deleted.Please see https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/contribution-information/i-tried-to-delete-data-but-it-st... and note the advice on https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/how-can-i-move-credits-to-another-pag... for cases where more than one person's credits are present on the same IMDb name page (it is not okay to simply remove some of the credits, they need to be moved to a new page tagged with a new roman numeral -- https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/names-biographical-data/i-know-there-is-only-one-john-smi...)
It can be difficult to prove a negative, but you can provide screen-grabs of the appropriate sections of the on-screen credit roll here on Get Satisfaction as additional proof, along with the 18-digit contribution number of the rejected updates. Other additional verification can be provided privately as explained on https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/contribution-information/how-can-i-submit-additional-veri...
- Removing bios that never had permission, or are old/inaccurate, doesn't get accepted.Please see https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/names-biographical-data/how-can-i-delete-or-update-my-bio... and the other threads you posted upon yesterday have already explained IMDb's mission to be a comprehensive guide to every name and title associated with the entertainment industry (with a focus on movies, TV and other visual media). Please also see https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/general-information/what-is-imdb/G836CY29Z4SGNMK5 (we have been online since 1990 so our policies are built with plenty of careful experience).
We hope the above helps. We would prefer you to restrict your follow-ups to this thread as Get Satisfaction works best this way, and posts on older already resolved issues are not guaranteed to be seen.
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@Col Needham,
Thanks for you detailed reply. Besides my issues with bios, imdb is one of my favorite sites and I appreciate your patience. I'll limit my responses to relevant subjects in this thread.
List marked as complete, while they aren't.
* 180826-073807-756000
Can be verified here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqgqUm6F2HA (1:30:00 mark)
* 180826-074841-267000
Verified here: http://123free.net/movie/gdVyO8GD-warrior-of-justice.html (1:29:30 mark and further)
* 180607-101607-079000
Verified here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MrpbZIsjZg (1:33:43 mark)
You say that these contributions can be added, and I can override the warning. Well, I have done that various times, even with detailed explanations and extra comments. Still not accepted. Does this still hurt my accuracy rating?
Actors/martial artists who passed away.
* 180802-131500-474000
I provided many links, such as: https://www.mmanews.com/former-ufc-star-turned-alleged-contract-killer-amar-suloev-dead-at-age-40/. But just enter his name "Amar Suloev" in google, for all the proof you need on the first page.
* 180730-104939-199000
A video obituary: http://fightnetwork.com/news/6378516:fn-video-mike-bernardo-obituary/, and another site: https://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Former-SA-fighter-dies-20120214. Or just enter "Mike Bernardo K-1" on google, and you'll find loads of sites and tributes.
Most of my contributions about fighters who died are accepted, sometimes with less proof. These weren't even though this happened and I provided various links. Does this count against my contributor accuracy?
Deleting incorrect credits:
* 180628-155118-564000 Georges Bejue isn't in those movies. Eddy Pinto is. They look very different but somehow they got mixed up. I was able to add Eddy Pinto seperately, but can't get Bejues deleted. The short movie with credits is here: http://www.michaelbchait.com/videos/dreamworld/ . Same for the other movie "Lovers".
* 180826-082759-811000 Just submitted it again, with extra explanation and a link in the comment section. This again is a correction that is 100% true, but not accepted. Does this count against my ratio?
Removing/adjusting bios:
I wish to remove a number of bios, but I try to respect your guidelines and settled with writing a new bio for various people in which only incorrect or sensitive info is removed or replaced. Dozens have been accepted except for the following three:
180812-221507-954000
180812-220709-927000
180812-220156-285000
Strangely enough I feel I did enough to keep the bio intact, and only remove info of which it's certain to be incorrect or inaccurate (because of age, these are over 13 years old).
There is much more, but that may come later. I appreciate the effort and hope this will lead to the approval of various submissions which I know to be correct.
Regards.
Johan
Thanks for you detailed reply. Besides my issues with bios, imdb is one of my favorite sites and I appreciate your patience. I'll limit my responses to relevant subjects in this thread.
List marked as complete, while they aren't.
* 180826-073807-756000
Can be verified here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqgqUm6F2HA (1:30:00 mark)
* 180826-074841-267000
Verified here: http://123free.net/movie/gdVyO8GD-warrior-of-justice.html (1:29:30 mark and further)
* 180607-101607-079000
Verified here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MrpbZIsjZg (1:33:43 mark)
You say that these contributions can be added, and I can override the warning. Well, I have done that various times, even with detailed explanations and extra comments. Still not accepted. Does this still hurt my accuracy rating?
Actors/martial artists who passed away.
* 180802-131500-474000
I provided many links, such as: https://www.mmanews.com/former-ufc-star-turned-alleged-contract-killer-amar-suloev-dead-at-age-40/. But just enter his name "Amar Suloev" in google, for all the proof you need on the first page.
* 180730-104939-199000
A video obituary: http://fightnetwork.com/news/6378516:fn-video-mike-bernardo-obituary/, and another site: https://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Former-SA-fighter-dies-20120214. Or just enter "Mike Bernardo K-1" on google, and you'll find loads of sites and tributes.
Most of my contributions about fighters who died are accepted, sometimes with less proof. These weren't even though this happened and I provided various links. Does this count against my contributor accuracy?
Deleting incorrect credits:
* 180628-155118-564000 Georges Bejue isn't in those movies. Eddy Pinto is. They look very different but somehow they got mixed up. I was able to add Eddy Pinto seperately, but can't get Bejues deleted. The short movie with credits is here: http://www.michaelbchait.com/videos/dreamworld/ . Same for the other movie "Lovers".
* 180826-082759-811000 Just submitted it again, with extra explanation and a link in the comment section. This again is a correction that is 100% true, but not accepted. Does this count against my ratio?
Removing/adjusting bios:
I wish to remove a number of bios, but I try to respect your guidelines and settled with writing a new bio for various people in which only incorrect or sensitive info is removed or replaced. Dozens have been accepted except for the following three:
180812-221507-954000
180812-220709-927000
180812-220156-285000
Strangely enough I feel I did enough to keep the bio intact, and only remove info of which it's certain to be incorrect or inaccurate (because of age, these are over 13 years old).
There is much more, but that may come later. I appreciate the effort and hope this will lead to the approval of various submissions which I know to be correct.
Regards.
Johan
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You can use a 'share' option on YouTube to link to the exact moment where the credit shows
https://youtu.be/TqgqUm6F2HA?t=1h30m
https://youtu.be/TqgqUm6F2HA?t=1h30m
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I had no idea. Great, thanks for the tip!!
Will, Official Rep
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Hi Johan,
Thanks for raising and for providing the links, please see the below.
180826-073807-756000 - I've resubmitted this on your behalf.
180826-074841-267000 - I've resubmitted this on your behalf.
180607-101607-079000 - I've resubmitted this on your behalf with the correct (as) credit.
180802-131500-474000 - this should have been accepted, I've done so now.
180730-104939-199000 - this should have been accepted, I've done so now.
180628-155118-564000 - looks like there has been come confusion on this name page with multiple name merges in the past. I've now removed these credits.
180826-082759-811000 - thank you for the added comments, this has now been approved
The bio submissions are removing factual information, therefore have been rejected correctly.
Regards,
Will
Thanks for raising and for providing the links, please see the below.
180826-073807-756000 - I've resubmitted this on your behalf.
180826-074841-267000 - I've resubmitted this on your behalf.
180607-101607-079000 - I've resubmitted this on your behalf with the correct (as) credit.
180802-131500-474000 - this should have been accepted, I've done so now.
180730-104939-199000 - this should have been accepted, I've done so now.
180628-155118-564000 - looks like there has been come confusion on this name page with multiple name merges in the past. I've now removed these credits.
180826-082759-811000 - thank you for the added comments, this has now been approved
The bio submissions are removing factual information, therefore have been rejected correctly.
Regards,
Will
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Too bad about the bios, because I tried to remove old info (such as living place or jobs) that aren't factual anymore.
As for the rest, thanks for taking care of it.
Regards,
Johan
As for the rest, thanks for taking care of it.
Regards,
Johan
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That kind of stuff is supposed to be converted to past tense rather than deleted; in theory, at least.
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Removing bios that never had permission, or are old/inaccurate, doesn't get accepted
Now Removing is not an option. I have Re-written many. None have been rejected. Have even done clean ups. Poor grammar, etc. Permission is not needed to write a bio either. Yes I do agree that some are absolutely horrid. You would think that whomever took the time to write it, would keep an eye on their work. Update it. Polish it. Love it! It's your baby. You made it. You take care of your flock. Most people that do bios just seem to make as many as possible. Hit and run types. Boo hiss!
Just my opinion!
How bout you?
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Hi, I understand your point. But some actors/stunt guys are people who are fanatics in their 20's (temporary "phase"). They quit in their 30's and are now pretty regular family guys in their 40's, whom you can't expect to keep their acting profile up to date for the rest of their life.
The bio doesn't represent them anymore in any way. Tha's why I think it's a pity imdb is so tough on removing (inaccurate) bios.
The bio doesn't represent them anymore in any way. Tha's why I think it's a pity imdb is so tough on removing (inaccurate) bios.
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I’m having the same problem as well. These people aren’t talking my requests seriously even though I’m trying to do the right thing.
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Hercule, If you need assistance with specific rejections of your work, start a new post.
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