Correcting series-level writer credits

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Am I correct that "creator" credits at series level should not be deleted, even though they are present for all episodes at episode level? That seems to be the message I'm getting when I tried to delete the series-level ones and got a Declined "Does not meet contribution guidelines" response. 200119-214603-516000

If the series-level creator credits must remain, how do I correct them? One of the writers was credited under his real name for some seasons and under a pseudonym for other seasons, so the current series-level creator entry "Batt, John (II) (creator) (as John Malcolm)" is inaccurate and should be "also as John Malcolm" to show that he was credited in two different ways over the course of the series.

By the way, is there a problem with submitting the same name as both writer and creator (with different credit orders) at episode level. Wherever one of the creators wrote an episode, either his writer or creator entry seems to take much longer to appear than all the other writer credits. For example https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0845815/reference (episode 4.1) currently has writers:


Edmund Ward
... (writer)

John Batt ... (creator) (creator)

Whereas what I submitted was
  • Writers - Replace
    • Old -
      Name: Ward, Edmund (I)
      Attribute: (creator)
      New -
      Name: Ward, Edmund (I)
      Attribute: (writer)
      Order: 1,1,1

  • Writers - Add
    • Name: Batt, John (II)
      Attribute: (creator)
      Order: 2,2,1

    • Name: Ward, Edmund (I)
      Attribute: (creator)
      Order: 2,1,1

Based on earlier episodes, it seems that after a couple of days the missing "duplicate" entry does eventually appear, but is this an indication that there is a problem?

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Am I correct that "creator" credits at series level should not be deleted, even though they are present for all episodes at episode level?
No. Series-level credits (for any job) should only exist if there are no pages for the relevant episodes. Once episode pages exist, they are the only place where credits should be, and all series-level credits should be deleted. Unfortunately, the data-editors are rather inconsistent with this and it often takes several attempts and/or an email to customer services to get the deletion actually processed.

By the way, is there a problem with submitting the same name as both writer and creator (with different credit orders) at episode level. Wherever one of the creators wrote an episode, either his writer or creator entry seems to take much longer to appear than all the other writer credits.
I believe that when the same name is submitted twice to the same department (with different jobs), the submission gets flagged for extra checking by staff. That's why there's often a delay with those items, but in my experience, they almost always get approved eventually.
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”...and all series-level credits should be deleted.”

If the credits are not part of the episodes, there will be ”unknown episodes” next to a person. So credits ”outside the episodes” can exist. Or did you mean something else?
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Just because they can exist, doesn't mean they should according to policy. Those with 'unknown episodes' should first be added to the relevant episodes, and then deleted from series-level. Series-level listings are only valid if the relevant episode pages do not exist.
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What do you mean by "the credits are not part of the episodes"? The only way that credits can be (legitimately) added to IMDB is if they are seen in on-screen credits - otherwise, if they come from personal knowledge, they should have an "uncredited" attribute. And "uncredited" should only be used for people who do not already have on-screen credits for the same job.

In the case of the series that I am asking about, every single episode credited the two creators by name, using wording such as "devised and created by Edmund Ward and John Batt/Malcolm" (the latter writer sometimes used his real surname, Batt, and sometime a pseudonym, Malcolm - this is described in a trivia entry).

Can we have an IMDB list manager to rule on whether or not series-level credits should still exist (ie should not be deleted) when the same people are credited for one or more episodes for the same job.
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"Those with 'unknown episodes' should first be added to the relevant episodes, and then deleted from series-level."

I suppose an exceptional case is when it is known for certain that a person worked on *some* episodes, but it has not yet been established (eg by looking at credits) which ones. That would justify series-level credits, maybe qualified by an attribute as to which season(s)/year(s) it applies to.
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When the series is first added to IMDb, you can’t add any episodes. You, however, can add various cast & crew credits for that series (along with other info, of course). Meaning legitimate credits.

It could be that in the future one episode is added with selected cast & crew credits. Or ten. Or all of them. Or none. It really varies.

I haven’t read anywhere that credits that are not ”tied” to any episodes should be ”deleted”. They’re legitimate credits, even when they’re not added to any specific episodes (not yet, at least). I would be quite surprised if IMDb would allow some legimate credits to be deleted.
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"I haven’t read anywhere that credits that are not ”tied” to any episodes should be ”deleted”. They’re legitimate credits, even when they’re not added to any specific episodes (not yet, at least). I would be quite surprised if IMDb would allow some legimate credits to be deleted."

I think the rule is that the credits should be deleted at series level once the episodes that they relate to have been added and the credits have been added at episode level.

So it is legitimate for there to be a mixture: series-level credits that were added before the episodes existed and which can't be related to specific episodes (eg "uncredited" appearances), or for cast/crew that appeared in / worked on episodes that haven't yet been submitted. What is wrong is series-level cast/crew which duplicates those at episode level.

When I am submitting credits for a series, I check the series-level credits and delete any which have "(n episodes)" as opposed to "(unknown episodes)", with a reason of "credits now exist at episode level". I also move any credits from series to episode level - either to specific episodes or to every episode, if I am certain that this is the case.
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It’s late here and I’m kinda tired, but to my understanding all the (series level) credits with the attribute ”unknown episodes” are the ones that are not ”tied” to any of the episodes yet. Cast and/or crew that appeared/worked on the series at some point (could mean one to 100 episodes, it differs), but are yet to be added to any actual episodes (or - the actual episodes are not added yet). If the person is added (”tied”) to one or more episodes, the ”unknown episodes” attribute disappears. Am I missing something here?


I have added news/current affairs type of programs to IMDb which have ran 10, 15, even 20+ years. This means many hosts, directors, producers, etc. I have done some major research and then added the series - along with many names - to IMDb. Sometimes it’s basically impossible to add every episode. It’s good to remember that ”series” can mean many different programs, and not just 10 episode Netflix series. You add the episodes if you can. But adding 500 current affairs episodes with correct cast & crew credits could be pretty tricky. Even if you’ve access to the archives (which most people don’t).
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