Could we please have a separate "Colorist Department"

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The role of Colorist and related jobs such as color timer, conforming, finishing, versioning, HDR etc. really need to be in their own category. It can be very hard to find who did the grading and finishing on a project, colorists are scattered between editorial, visual effects and maybe some other departments at the moment. Also listing Colorists in editorial is very misleading and confuses people about the responsibilities of the colorists and associates. For a good description of possible colorist duties see https://coloristsociety.com/role-of-the-colorist
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Marco Valerio Caminiti

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I completely agree on that. Having a Color Department section would help making things clearer and avoiding confusion.
Thanks Kevin!
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Couldn’t agree more. IMDb listings are so importan, and currently colorist credits are so disorganized that it’s hard to see how many films a colorist has worked on.
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Coloring / colorists perform a unique and vital role in the creative process.  It is a specialist role apart from the larger production personnel.  You may see any large number of various credits for a particular type artist, (VFX, modelers, production assistants, etc) at the end of a movie.  There's usually only one or two colorists....
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It wouldn't be before time! Let's do it!
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Great Idea Kevin !
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Absolutely agree.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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IMDb should be consistent with where colorists are credited.
As you are mainly applying the bulk of your work (physical hands on) in post production on the finished product. So being in the editorial credits is most logical.
Consistency is imperative. A separate category will yes fix the misplacing of the credit in the wrong sections. But it is not needed.

Now, this is my opinion. While it differs from yours, please DO NOT rebut my view for two reasons.
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I will not reply. (Maybe!)
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It takes away from the pure replies for the idea of "For" or  "Against" the idea. Debating or replying or disagreeing just takes away from people seeing the pure replies.
Avoid temptation.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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CGI People need a section of their own.
Camera People need a section of their own.
Boom People need a section of their own.
ADR People need a section of their own.
Production Assistants People need a section of their own.
Gaffer People need a section of their own.
They have been around a lot longer and deserve a section too.
This is not the first topic where someone want's a section of their own.

You all should be asking that the database be consistent in placement of your credits within "Editorial" or where ever you should have a consensus of choice to where you belong.

Asking for your own "Private Idaho" is unrealistic.

Ask for something that is doable. Consistent Placement!! 
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Ed Jones, I am sorry but your point of view makes no sense.
Sound Editing, Sound Design and even Visual Effects could be considered "Editorial Department" following your logic.
If we had to follow the "to alter = to edit" then almost anyone working on a fiction film should belong to the Editorial Department.
Here we are talking about recognising a department that already exists, not creating a new one.
You have the Camera and Electrical Department with their own Head of Department: the Director of Photography; you have the Visual Effects Department with their own Head of Department: the Visual Effects Supervisor; etc.
In post-houses the Colorist is de facto the Head of a Department to which Dailies Operators, Assistant Colorists, Dailies Colorists, Conformers and Deliverables Managers belong (the DIT is quite in the middle between this department and the camera one, and there are many other roles that could be included).
This is not about looking for attention, we are just asking to fix something that was badly structured in the first place.
It is not going to be a big change, not going to deeply impact our job, it would just make things more clear.
Peace :)
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Sound IS IN Sound where it belongs
Visual EFX is in Visual where it belongs. And so is the supervisor.
You're a Colorist, so you belong in Visual. But it is so clogged with credits that you selfishly want your own little island. By your logic you belong in visual. And in visual you should remain.
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To Kevin

"Colorist starts with looks management"
VISUAL
You belong in visual credits
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Man, you previously stated Colorists should belong in Editorial, now you say in Visual. These two departments structure is so misleading that, apparently, you ended up getting confused too.
Are you talking because you work in the industry or are you just getting obsessed with words and their meaning?
A department has a structure, the Colorist does not belong to the Visual Effects Department just like a Motion Graphic Designer does not belong to it. It is not strictly connected to the meaning of "Visual", of "Edit", of "Alter" or of whatever word you want to stick to to defend your no-sense (and changeable) position.
It is about roles, duties, hierarchy and communication.
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That’s an interesting idea. I wouldn’t mind being in a separate department from editorial & VFX. I think a Finishing Department, in which the grade is a primary role, makes sense, though that may be confusing to the public because a lot of people might not know what Finishing is.
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People do not know what Colorists are. Ask someone what a Gaffer is? They have been around a lot longer than you!
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Ha, there we have it G
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Actually one night I was in a meeting with an EP and his PA discussing some VFX work when our DP and head CGI artist who were there also disagreed. It took the AP and the CP and their PA's to break up the argument.

A not so true story C.S.
Signed
Mr. Ed
Oh, Wilbur!
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This is really must as color is big part of getting it ted together and leaving it out seems not very nice.
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FDAP

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Stéphane Ma

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It would indeed be good to have a separate department for colorists! Great idea Kevin.
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Davis Alfano

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This is what we need.
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RAJAT RANA

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Yes, I completely agree to Kevin, to have a separate department to get recognition.
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Ze Santos

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100% This is needed! 
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Eric Gaudry

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Good idea, i agree
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If camera, lighting and grips are seperated then it seems similar to have edit, vfx and D.I. finnishing to be seperated. D.I. Finnishing would include all involved in color grade and final online process. Dalies colorists and color scientist included too i assume.
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Yes it would be nice to have a separate category where we also could add conform (which has to know about color and camera formats), trailer colorist, HDR colorist (in case someone else did the SDR version. And it would be nice if we could get an option to move the credits from the editing department or vfx department to the new group.
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And it would be nice if we could get an option to move the credits from the editing department or vfx department
You can
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I agree with the suggestion.


Currently my credits are split across editorial and visual effects, both are misleading and the separation causes one half to be less visible.


In regards to category, a lot of colourists work on pre and production, so film finishing would not be inclusive of this.


Personally I would prefer ‘Colour’ for all colourists, colour scientists, and assistants on look dev, on-set, dailies, di etc.
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You belong strictly in Visual Credits
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I've signed this petition because, in the narrowest reading of the role of Colorist, the person fulfilling this role is currently scattered across multiple IMDB categories. Colorists may be found under Camera, Editorial, Editing, and VFX. In part, this is due to confusion by Producers uploading credits being unsure where to place the Colorist. Also, this craft can be supervised under the lead of any of those categories - or none of them, often working primarily and reporting directly to the Director, Producer, Executive Producer, or DP.

But no matter which department is directing the Colorist - color grading is its own craft, with its own unique skill set, terms, and challenges.

The problem on IMDB is that its frequently used to specifically research and identify the Colorist on a specific title or series. Under the current system, it can be nearly impossible to identify Colorist(s) on large productions. They can be buried under multitudes of VFX artists or spread across a half-dozen craft categories.

The fact that modern digital Colorists can be considered under so many different Craft categories, because of their impact on each, should bolster the case for Colorists being in their own unique category listing in IMDb.
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color grading is its own craft, with its own unique skill set, terms, and challenges.

And NO ONE else has any unique skill set, terms, and challenges?
Just You?
Silly
You belong in Visual Only
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And nobody cares what you think. It looks like you have a reputation for comments like this. We get it, you don't agree.
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If no one cares as you say, then you would have never replied. Or did that logic somehow escape you?
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This is a topic that comes up occasionally. A urgent immediate self need. If the database enacted every request then you would be buried in the three hundred or so categories. Then you would ask to be grouped back again where you were in the first place. In visual EFX or Editorial. What you need is a consensus of what category you "Should" be in. Not the creation of a new category.

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Really good idea! totally agreed
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Tomás Magariños

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 totally agreed
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Finally! Thank you Kevin for your dedication!
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Sounds good to me.
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Yes please!
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This is a great idea! Colorists should be listed in title opening credits in movies too, right along side of the DP, director, and actors. Not hidden in the end credits.
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I vote in favor! Lets get out of the dark rooms and into our own category!
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The Colorist etc must belong to a Union ? ?
Have this Union suggest to the studios to change the location on the screen credits list

IMDb adds this list to their pages
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ACT_1 I've asked, they do have a union (CSI - Colorist Society International) of which the idea author is a leader. 
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I agree. Colorist credit should definitely be in its own category. Thanks Kevin.
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I agree too Kevin. Thks for the idea and the move.