Creating a title for a project that is a compilation of 154 short films of the sonnets.

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We've got a project going that involves 154 directors filming one of Shakespeare's 154 sonnets.  We'd like to create an IMDB page for the project.  These aren't TV or web episodes, so how can we go about creating a page for the project?
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Brendan: If you're not going to distribute this project on television or on the Internet, how are you going to distribute it? The more details you provide, the easier it will be to advise you.
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It is distributed on the internet... perhaps, this technically makes them webisodes... but they are independent short films each with different directors, actors, crew and, in some cases, additional producing companies.
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this is the site with the videos if that'll make it clearer what I'm talking about:
www.sonnetprojectnyc.com
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Brendan: I think that you would probably be best off submitting this to IMDb as a web series, since it appears to be primarily distributed online. In effect, this means submitting it as a television series, since a web series is considered by IMDb to be a kind of television series.

I recommend this rather than submitting 154 separate film entries because it is a lot easier to submit a television series and add 154 episodes to it than to submit 154 separate film entries. For example, you will only have to find Miscellaneous Links for the series as a whole, not for each individual film, and you already have some good links to use at http://sonnetprojectnyc.com/about/ under "What the Press Is Saying".

Also, it is IMDb policy that "if it can be treated as an episode, it should be." http://www.imdb.com/help/search?domain=helpdesk_faq&index=1&file=eportitle&ref_=hlp_sr_5

Although the directors, actors, and crew vary from episode to episode, it looks like the series overall has an executive producer (Ross Williams) and an associate producer (Amanda Holston), as well as a writer for all episodes (William Shakespeare ... looks like he's uncredited, though). So you will have enough crew credits to get this series accepted into the database (usually three cast and/or crew members are needed -- two producers and a writer is enough).

You can submit the additional production companies, where applicable, to the episodes that the companies worked on.

I hope this helps. Good luck!
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Great thanks!
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Brendan,
As gromit suggests, it should be straightforward - but just time consuming....once someone has added a few episodes they will realize how easy it is and then it is just a time issue.

For a user to do it would be more difficult as it would involve going to the website for each episode, looking at the date it was posted, looking at the video to see how long it is and watching the end credits to note the names.

Ideally you must have all the titles, dates, times, cast and crew for each episode somewhere....I'd give that to someone...or post it here and hope for help!

bob

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Hi Brendan,

Our contributors have covered this well.
Please submit it as a series. 

Thanks for trying to clarify before your submission!
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Thanks, Lina. I've already discovered an issue where a couple of filmmakers have already created titles for our films on IMDB - one of whom, for some strange reason, titled her one film with the name of the entire project. I'm hoping we'll be able to merge these or have these deleted once the project is accepted and set up on IMDB.
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Brendan,
I was going to do the submission but I see you are ahead of me!

I noticed the same:
The Sonnet Project (2014) (Jill Salvino)
The Sonnet Project: Sonnet 13 (2014)
Sonnet 134 (2014)
Sonnet 51 (2014)

...and probably others...

To be honest, if you have managed to add a series with 154 episodes with all cast and crew, then you not only deserve a medal, but also IMDb helping you out with these floating films....

bob

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Brendan: Yes, it is possible to merge the separately listed titles into the series as episodes once the series itself has been listed. This won't work until your series shows up in the database, so wait until it does before starting these corrections of the episodes.

Assuming for the time being that your series will be listed as "The Sonnet Project" (2013), here is how you would do that.

Go to the page for the separately listed title (let's say Sonnet 51 (2014) at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3780690/, for example). Click "Edit page".

On the next screen, near the end of the page, on the Title Correction line, select "Add correction". Click "Continue".

On the next screen, there will be a blank space in which to enter the corrected title. You would enter it, in this example, as:
"The Sonnet Project" (2013) {Sonnet 51}

In other words, the title of the series in quotation marks, a space, the debut year of the series in parentheses, a space, and then the correct title of the episode in braces.

Also put in an explanation in the Explanation box that the entry is actually an episode of the series. Click "Check these updates".

On the next screen, you will get a warning that says, "There is a mismatch between the title type of the old and new titles. Are you certain that you wanted to change the type of the title as well as its spelling? ..." That's what you want, so check the box marked "Warning understood, go ahead anyway." Click "Re-check these updates".

On the next screen, your data should appear with a green background and you should be able to click "Submit these updates".

Good luck!
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gromit,
I assume you did a dry run through this....when you use the title change to change the type (ie a film into an episode) does the option come up to enter things like episode number or is this detail best left until it is merged as an episode and then the tinkering can begin?

Being honest I tend to mostly add and edit short films - I did my first two series recently (including episodes as they screen) and although it is not complicated, it is a bit of a learning curve and not as easy as just adding one single title...

bob

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Bob: In this case, I would not even recommend that "The Sonnet Project" use episode numbers, because the episodes are not being released in the order of the sonnets. For example, Sonnet 152 has already been released, but they haven't even selected a director for Sonnet 4, as far as I can tell. (See http://sonnetprojectnyc.com/directorsignup/.)

If they are going to use episode numbers (which, I emphasize, are required to be based on the order in which the episodes were released, not the order in which Shakespeare published the sonnets), they can wait until the films are merged as episodes.
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gromit,
I think that episode numbers will only do the same as the lack of episode numbers, since the next sorting criteria would be date of release (which we could only take as the YouTube upload)....

The Project is not following the sonnet order and I don't think that is an issue. IMDb state that it is release date order, not order of production etc that defines the tv show, so the episode number can be generated on that basis.

I think you actually answered my question about how i add episode numbers in an earlier post - if i change the title of the shorts to create an episode, then I can add the episode number in the new title...like I said, I'm new to the TV show side of data submission!

I notice Brendan hasn't returned to this thread so I'm not sure what he decided to do on this....but thanks for your guidance anyway.

bob

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Brendan,
An IMDb page has been created for The Sonnet Project.

Standalone film pages that I have found have been merged into this page as episodes and I have submitted the 74 episodes on YouTube with cast/crew/location details - most of which are now live as pages although gradually data will be added to these as the processing time is different for different data types.

I have watched about the first 20 of these so far and will continue to do so as it is an exciting project...

One bit of feedback would be to put the text of the relevant sonnet into the description box for each uploaded film - I am finding that being able to have the text on-hand improves the viewing experience.

I will continue to add episodes as you upload them - I guess the lion's share of the work is done in catching up....if you see errors please correct them or let me know - for people with common names it is not always easy to be sure i have selected the right person on IMDb (or even if they are listed here already)...I try to figure it out by looking at other work etc but is not always easy or possible....

bob

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I'm accustomed to people not hanging around on this forum, or coming back to say 'thanks'...it rarely bothers me now because it is so common....but, being honest, the lack of any sort of acknowledgement for the work on this one sort of bugs me....

I know Brendan only asked for advice, not the work to be done, but so far I have:
  • Created a page for The Sonnet Project
  • Created episode pages (with individual casts, locations etc) for all of the 70+ episodes
  • Created an episode page for all the ones released since I caught up (generally on the day they are released)
  • Created FAQ's, linked to official websites, other minor things like this...
Again, I get that they never asked for this...but it does surprise me that nobody even thought to revisit this thread to say thanks to those here who were part of giving the title the level of detail it now has.

My goal is to link the videos to the IMDb episode pages if I am able to, add Project staff and some other things.....of course I do it because I am excited for the project and want to help.....

Those submitting cash on Kickstarter to NYSE get certain things for certain amounts of money.....I admit that in this case i would love a "thanks" for the amount of 'in-kind' support I have given and will continue to give in my own small way.

Sorry.....moan over....

bob

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bob the moo,

Thank you for all your hard work.

You have been very helpful on IMDb for over 13 years. You have also been extremely helpful here on Get Satisfaction. What you did for Brendan and The Sonnet Project is well beyond the call of duty. I hope one day that Brendan acknowledges and thanks you for what you did.
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Thanks Dan.....although this quote came to mind:
Flatter, praise, commend and extol their graces,
though never so black, say they have angels’ faces
~Two Gentlemen of Verona

I greatly appreciate the kind words.

bob

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Hi Bob,

I am so sorry for letting this slide as long as I have.  The work you've done is outstanding and well beyond what was necessary or expected.  We've just been slammed with getting these bad boys shot, the fundraising and establishing our new partnership with Shakespeare's Globe in London.  The last thing on my mind, unfortunately, has been IMDB.  This has caused me to be remiss in expressing my appreciation to you for all your hard work, which is no excuse.  Thank you so much for all the tremendous work you've put into this without even being asked.  It is very much appreciated.  I'd like to thank you properly somehow, but I don't know if I should say thanks to "bob the moo".  I don't think this site has a pm system, so if you could shoot me an email at brendan@sonnetprojectnyc.com, and give me a name, we can thank you properly for your efforts.

Best,
Brendan
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Brendan,
Thanks very much for the kind words and the nod on Twitter (draft 1 and 2!) – they are very much appreciated.
We've just been slammed with getting these bad boys shot, the fundraising and establishing our new partnership with Shakespeare's Globe in London. 

No worries – this is as it should be and indeed it is why I decided to add the title on your behalf.

Those submitting cash on Kickstarter to NYSE get certain things for certain amounts of money.....I admit that in this case i would love a "thanks"

I phrased this badly, so just to be clear to you and my peers here, I didn't mean to appear to be angling for anything other than the acknowledgement that you so graciously provide here...

I'll drop you a contact email in case you or others spot mistakes in the data or things I have missed, but really it was just a good ol' fashioned 'atta boy' I needed – so thank you for that!

To others on this forum perhaps reading this, I would say to give the project a try – the films are generally 2 minutes long and the Shakespearean text is clear and usually helped by the context in the films. You can find them all here, but so far some of my personal favorites are:

  • Sonnet 57 - a sarcastic passive/aggressive woman waits in Yankee tavern for someone running late
  • Sonnet 119 - a barfly gets an early drink in - great performance that brings the text into really clear focus
  • Sonnet 148 - a man lies in a park in a love-related malaise (featuring a very pleasing image of Brendan on a playground slide)
  • Sonnet 3 - an old barman helps a young man get courage – really good modern update of the text
  • Sonnet 17 - very good performance to bring the words into a context that works very well
  • Sonnet 25 - an aging disco queen exits onto the street outside Studio 54

All of those links will take you to a video with the text of the sonnet and some interpretation is just below – I suggest reading that first as it helps gets your head into the language at your own pace before then having to hear it delivered. It is a very good project – the films are variable as you'd expect, but the standard thus far has been very high...even for casual viewers such as I, it is well worth a look.

bob


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Brenden,

I've viewed a few of the sonnets your team has filmed. I found them interesting and fun to watch since they use sites in New York as a backdrop. I intend to watch the full series as it is released.

I forward the link to your website to a librarian I know for the New York library. She was excited that filmed one of the sonnets near her location.

I also publicized your site on my Google+ account when I first saw this thread. I'm certain my two followers enjoyed your site.
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Yeah....this forum is not really the route to a busy social network....

bob

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@Brendan - what is the status of this project now? I think you're not involved any more, but I continue to watch and add the films, and the huge drop-off in rate is obvious; some other things as well like the online presence is scruffy at best (eg films used to be linked on 3 platforms but now will show up on 1 but not others) and totally stopped at worst (the Twitter account seems to have been dead for years now).

Only 23 or so sonnets to go, I'm hoping they/you can make it to the finish line - but more and more it looks like it won't...
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@bob the moo,

Thanks for the status update. Great to see you back, albeit briefly.