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Submission request: 190201-053129-089000 



The only credit that after two years has not been added to the cast of this film is the credit for actor Ryan Gosling, since the rest of the team from the film "La La Land" (2016) has been credited. All of them, including Gosling, made an appearance of several minutes appearing as a cameo at a conference in London in October 2016, while the film was being shot. Ryan Gosling really appeared in the movie as himself as screenshots demonstrates and should be credited as himself (and in that position in the final credits) as the submission asks. Thanks!



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Where is Spain was this title released and please supply evidence of its release? It looks ineligible for a listing with its present data. 
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Mr. Needham, it is an amateur film made by our production company. If IMDb doesn't want to add the proposed credit although Mr. Gosling appears in the movie as a cameo as himself, it will be fine, but for God's sake, do not eliminate the movie that took half a year to complete for no reason That discussion would be absurd and would cause irreparable damage for hundreds of people who worked very hard in the making of the project.

Here is the trailer for the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWul1J2WVHo...
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Where is (or was) the whole film available to the public? Which festivals, which cities, which online services? 
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We are really sad because of what we read, it seems that really IMDb is determined to make things difficult for no reason.

"For a work to be eligible for inclusion in the database it must be of general public interest and should be available to the public or have been available in the past". This project was completed and released back in April 2017. 

The film exists, as an amateur film that is it was exhibited in small theaters, online through drive to the cast and crew and hundreds of people have it in DVD copies. The full 122-minutes movie. Do you want a photo of my copy of the DVD? Maybe you want the movie through internet but we think is unfair to share our work for free just to demonstrate its existance. 


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Where is (or was) the whole film available to the public? Yes
Which festivals, which cities, which online services? Cantabria region in Spain, small theatres of the capital city Santander as well as little projections. Then online copies for the cast and crew and DVD copies for public who was interested as well as for production members. 

... "should be available to the public or have been available in the past". The movie was shown on small theatres of Cantabria (Spain) as well as in private projections, has Drive copies (as the screenshots demonstrates) and most importantly DVD copies, etc. This is not an Avengers movie, we can't have millions of people who known our project. And most of the small titles here in IMDb are unable to demonstrate if they have been shown or not to the public. Our film exists and was released and proudly shared as we the company can assure, that we are a little film doesn't make us less, and this discussion was iniciated for another reason, not this disturbing one. Thanks!
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Please provide third party links which confirm any of these screenings.

It seems strange that the official Twitter account for this movie fails to mention any screenings and goes silent several months before the date shown in the release dates section -> https://twitter.com/AramburusMMT
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This is ridiculous. 

Announcement of the screenings. As I say, the were with selected people invitated, although a lot:



The movie has a lot of screenshots in IMDb: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5889746/mediaindex?ref_=tt_pv_mi_sm

"... should be available to the public or have been available in the past". The movie was shown on small theatres of Cantabria (Spain) as well as in private projections, has Drive copies (as the screenshots demonstrates) and most importantly DVD copies, etc. 

And finally the DVD cover...:


We are not in disposition to loose our time with this conversation.
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Hi Grupo -

Unfortunately, without further verification of an official release, as Col requested above, the title is not eligible and has been removed from the site.  If you have online evidence from reputable media sources to verify the release of the title, please re-submit the title with those links and our editors can review the title again for listing.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Accepting a title.

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/credit-to-be-added
This topic has destroyed an antire film from our company without reason. We will try to re-add this title as long as it takes, weeks, months, years.

The company offer to all of you an online link for the movie to be re-added. We can't afford the submission of the entire movie again as it had hundreds of credits (all the ending credits perfectly credited) and we don't have dozens of hours to re-sumbit again all the information. Therefore, we offer you the link of the movie.

Usually, IMDb rejects the deletion of titles that doesn't exist or weren't available for the public (as our cancelled title https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5612786/). Usually, IMDb doesn't require to all thousands of titles that are amateur to show whether they have been released or not, simply accept a link as the trailer. Why have we been eliminated if we were released? If the movie IS REAL? Do you want us to send you the movie?

WE DEMAND SOLUTIONS TO THIS DISGRACE. 
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We are waiting for the revocation of this extremely absurd decision. 
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We have uploaded the entire movie online on public domain, on the internet, on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PZtzhArcOI&feature=youtu.be 

We are still waiting for the revocation of this extremely absurd decision. Please, return to IMDb the title as exactly as it was.

We won't stop. 
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Unfortunately YouTube has blocked the video in some places because copyrighted songs were used. Beucase who the hell publish a full movie on YouTube? Well, apparently it is the only way to you to demonstrate its existance. 

We offer you the movie sent directly to your email. On YouTube we try to delete the songs from the movie but it seems complicated. 

This movie must be on IMDb.

We still waiting. We will not surrender. We demand our film back to IMDb.
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We are still waiting.

Here it is another old video from April 2017, when the producers showed the film in a private premiere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBnNXQO9oqw

We still waiting. We will not surrender. We demand our film back to IMDb.


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Sorry but you are missing the point.  We are not questioning whether the movie exists, we are questioning whether or not it is eligible to be listed on IMDb ...  

From https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/adding-a-new-title/GNXTSSVTJTFCRZGN

Eligibility rules For a work to be eligible for inclusion in the database it must be of general public interest and should be available to the public or have been available in the past. We accept most kinds of films/TV shows, including big screen and direct-to-DVD features; web series; documentaries; video games; experimental films and short films. General public interest is assumed if a work has been:

  • Released in cinemas.
  • Shown on TV.
  • Released on video or the web or prints have been made available to the public.
  • Listed in the catalog of an established video retailer; (e.g. Amazon.com).
  • Accepted and shown on film festivals.
  • Made by a (now) famous artist or person of public interest.
  • Made famous for some reason and is widely talked about/referenced in media or the 'film community' or is now of general historic interest for some reason.
Online Video Content


Videos which are primarily distributed online can qualify for listing on IMDb based on the following criteria. (These criteria do not apply to titles which qualify for IMDb listing as theatrically released films, made for video titles, or television programming.)



  • Online videos must be available to the public for viewing, either free or for a fee. Videos which are set for private viewing only by selected persons are not eligible for listing.
  • An online video must be available for viewing at the time it is submitted to IMDb as a new title. (That is, future videos not yet available should not be submitted, nor should past videos which can no longer be found online.) However, a video which was available for viewing at the time it was entered into the database will not be removed merely if it becomes unavailable in the future.
  • An online video is not eligible for listing if it consists primarily of footage from another title which is or could be listed in IMDb unless the creation of the video displays a level of artistic merit or can be considered of public interest. Trailers are not eligible for listing.
  • Online videos which are ongoing series should be entered into IMDb as television series with the keyword web-series and the individual videos being entered as episodes. Online videos which are not part of a series should be entered as made-for-video titles.
  • A link to where the video can be viewed online should be submitted in the Video Clips section under Links to Other Sites with the description WebsiteName – Full video.


NOTE: Unless general public interest is assumed for one of the reasons stated above, general public interest is NOT given for titles:

  • Made for private home use only (i.e. like a home movie, which is of a strictly private nature).


IMDb retains the right to reject any work whose eligibility according to above rules is dubious and/or unverifiable. This may include works which are in their very first development stages. If you would like to submit a project in development, please sign-up for IMDbPro. IMDb retains the right to change and adapt eligibility rules as circumstances require.

Additionally from https://contribute.imdb.com/charter 

IMDb tracks each contributor's accuracy over time and if any contributor repeatedly submits data which is inaccurate or which violates our policies, their contributions will require increasing levels of additional proof in order to be processed.
Do you have third-party evidence of any of these public releases? This could include contracts with the cinemas who showed the title or the DVD distributors, media coverage of the screenings, reviews or other evidence of public availability; such information can be provided as explained on https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/contribution-information/how-can-i-submit-additional-veri... 

As noted above even the official Twitter feed for the movie did not mention these screenings at the time; by your own admission it is ineligible for YouTube distribution due to music copyright issues, and to answer your question above, there are many titles eligible for inclusion on IMDb because the whole title is available for public viewing on YouTube. 
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Our question is: do you want us to contact any of the places where the passes were made, and to get in touch in this thread with you? If so, I'll try, but people in a small town in northern Spain do not even know what IMDb is.

The official Twitter feed was ruled by director of the movie, as it is a very small production. The fact that a Twitter account doesn't show any picture of an event doesn't make a movie ilegilible for IMDb. But deleting a real movie which is even released on YouTube.

The movie is now available on YouTube, it is published in YouTube. Literally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PZtzhArcOI&feature=youtu.be

It is there. What else do we need to do? We still waiting. We will not surrender. We demand our film back to IMDb.
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Well, if you paid proper attention to the longest response I have ever seen from Col Needham (founder and CEO of IMDb...), now that you have your important movie on YouTube, it looks rather eligible to appear in IMDb, taking for granted that it is of general public interest.
I guess you can successfully resubmit it now.
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Thank you. I also won the Best Screenplay Award from the accredited WMIFF for
ROCKY POINT SUMMERS in Janaury 2018 and it has taken forever to get it on the site. It just is important to me.  Thank you. Margie Tor
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Margie,

is your post really related to this topic?
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I hope that IMDb staff can make the title return to IMDb and we do not have to send it back, because it would be working for a lot of hours. Please, assure me that it is not possible to return the title to IMDb and then we will do it. But what we're asking for is that the movie deserves to come back as exactly at it was. We wait the answer. 
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I cannot speak for IMDb, being a mere (and a little knowledgeable) contributor.
But I frown when you mention it would take hours to resubmit your movie. I would say it takes about 10' at the most, especially if you have already gone  through the different steps in your previous submission.

I do not know to what extent a title can be "resurrected" on IMDb, so you can also wait for another IMDb response. But since the movie presence on IMDb sounds critical for you, it would be quicker to resubmit, including the YouTube link in your submission.
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Mr, Fournols, we understand that these issues are based on facts, and play on whether this admission of this "important film" is "critical" is not indifferent to us. Our company will produce its latest projects this 2019 and with this we will finish our adventure. For us it is something worthy of pride, a stage to remember, and we want everything to be perfectly here, in what we consider the most importante web site in terms of movie data in the world. 

Taking your advice into the field, we will begin the resubmission of the film. Obviously to add to all the members of the cast and the crew, perfectly ordered, all the soundtrack with the perfect links to the artists... all of it takes a lot of hours. Even so, we will do it if it is necessary.

We'll wait a few hours to confirm that the IMDb item can not be resurrected, which we hope it will be. If it is impossible, even if all this is very unfair, we will send the request to add the film with each detail of the credits and attach it here, and once it is accepted we will add the images and we will not do anything in IMDb again. 
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Make the submission as Vincent said.
Then post the 18 Digit Submission number here.
That will get you the fastest possible result.
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A last piece of advice then: Start by just entering the minimum information required by IMDb. So if it is rejected -- what I do not expect --, it will not have been entered in vain.
Then you can proceed with your full credits once it is live on IMDb.
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As Vincent said, Get the title submitted and approved first.
Add the cast and crew after.
Just do the minimum required.
It will take less time.
Verifying all the cast and crew slows the process down.
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Here you have it: 190202-231345-114000 

For some reason we don't understand IMDb changes the digits to this after the submission has been done: 190202-231300-032200

We have sent it and literally seconds after it says this:


¿?
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We have sent the submission again: 190203-002310-640000 
Track Contribution

And again has been declined. It is weird as the submission includes a link for the full movie. 
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Please read carefully the message you have shared: one of your 16 data items has been rejected, leading for the whole set to be rejected. So there must be a reason for that result.
Please share the rejection message of that particular data, so we can understand.
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IIt doesn't say one of our 16 data items have been rejected, but all of them. It seems that every item has been declined. And the rejection message is the same in every item as the screenshot shows: "Your contribution has been declined. Your data referred to another item which has been declined or deleted, and this means that your data will not appear on the site. If you also submitted the original item and believe that it still warrants inclusion, please review the submission guide and resubmit."

190203-002310-640000 

We imagine this is because the data is similar to the data in the killed title, but... it is the same data because it is the same movie. The submission includes now the full movie as an url...
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Puzzling...

Let us hope that an IMDb staffer will come soon and clarify the actual reasons.
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Thank you.
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If you give me a private email, I can just forward the documents so you can show them?  Margie
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Vince he has two ongoing posts


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That screenshot is for a short movie not related! https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9697338/
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Sorry my Bad!!!
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They will still address this then.
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No problem. Anyway, I can only tell you that from the company we are anguished but calmer to see that we are closer to doing justice. A

As you have said, this has been a simple submission, with the basic items, to which we will add all the information later. The movie exists, it has been available to the public and now even the movie itself is public.

Remember that this was the submission: 190203-002310-640000 
And includes the link to the full movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PZtzhArcOI


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Please, we have to add too much information to the web again so we should start as soon as possible. Unfortunately, the petition has declined for no reason, so now we are waiting for it to be finally accepted, and then we can work on it and forget this story. Thank you. 
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Thank you. The YouTube link works and makes the title eligible. The data will reappear at https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5889746/
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Thank you, justice has been done. Please, before removing a title instantly, give more facilities to the production company or principal crew, as if we are saying the title was available to the public we are not lying... now it is again. 

Anyway, the title has returned to IMDb, which we are very pleased, but apparently it is a somewhat old version of it, as there are some "rumored" credits (the film was released two years ago) or some incorrect credits that finally weren't as that when the film was finished. The corrections that we have made here are factual:
190203-204440-320000

Finally, we have manually added the posters of the film since they have disappeared, although we imagine a little bit of time will be needed to them to appear online. Once this couple of things are finally done, we will abandon this eternal topic and thank you very much.


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Hi Grupo,

Thanks for your message. If you wish to discuss this case further please go here selecting the IMDb Fan/Contributor questions > Filmography credits > Other credit issues > E-mail options to contact staff directly.

Regards,
Will

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