Credit to be deleted but was declined

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I've asked this before: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1806829/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_31
There's a credit for Julia Kaminer as an executive producer that was added by mistake.
She's not on the title card, nor was she involved in the actual production. She not in the video nor the poster. I have no idea how she  got on it. 


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Alexander Kaminer

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not really. please look at the thread.
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Thanks, I see now. You mean this to be further under the evidence provided. In such case, I suggest to also provide a direct link to the movie and/or backdrops for the rest of the end titles. When someone claim there is no credit in titles sequence, it may be wanted to check them all (credits).
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No problem. Since the episode isn’t online I’ll send you a title card from the video file itself. Would that work?
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Alexander, thank you for the confidence. 
I'm not a staff to meet your previous negotiation :)
My advice was to help you in faster and more productive further conversation with the officials. I just described how me and other contributors do in similar situations.
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Why am I uncredited? I financed the whole thing. This is funny
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ljdoncel, Champion

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Why am I uncredited?
Because it is your company which is listed on screen, not yourself...




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Are you telling me that after deleting a video it is still kept?
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Yes. If it is archived, it is if you never deleted it. If I go to the library and rip out a chapter of a book, it is in another library, and is still there!
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I’ll send you a title card from the video file itself
No problemo... I can do this for you...


Alexander, please remember that pages use the on-screen credits of the original version, regardless they're currently available online or not.
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Wait a sec. what is this? This was edited out 9 years ago. How did you get this title card? And if it’s somewhere else then I need to know the link to it! Thanks
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How did you get this title card?
Directly from , where it's been available for a long time...


...and from it's been conveniently unlinked in the last two years.

btw (to staffers): 190508-204919-586000
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Thanks ljdoncel, the updates have been approved!
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Thanks a lot, Michelle!
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Alexander Kaminer

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What does that mean? :)
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That means you can send me a title card, but it has no value because not original.
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I see but nothing can be changed right?
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“You can cut all the flowers but you cannot keep Spring from coming.” [Pablo Neruda]
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LOL
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Alexander.
   Weather or not it was edited "Out", that version exists. You just confirmed it. Right now. So it does not matter "Where" it came from. And please note that ljdoncel, is an IMDb Champion, and his research and knowledge is as good as it gets here. Since his research shows that the database is accurate, IMDb will then not remove the credit.

IMDb policy is below Alexander

IMDb aims to be the most comprehensive and reliable source of information on movies, TV and celebrities. We are committed to accuracy and it is our longstanding policy not to alter or remove correct factual information from our records. If you notice an error or omission in our data, please submit a correction or deletion via the "Edit page" button located at the bottom of every name and title page and our staff will be happy to review it and make all applicable changes. We have a guide to adding data here.

IMDb will not remove accurate information. If you try to delete an item of data which is accurate, your delete will not be processed. Please be aware that attempts to delete accurate data will count against your overall accuracy rating and may result in all your submissions taking longer to process along with additional proof requirements.


Cheers


Ed




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what is this accusatory tone? I deleted the project from withoutabox years ago. you can contact the person directly if you want. I can provide you with her direct phone number and email. I'm also going to submit your reply to your higher ups. Thanks
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I deleted the project from withoutabox years ago.
Again:
pages use the on-screen credits of the original version, regardless they're currently available online or not.

what is this accusatory tone?
From your past post:
Julia Kaminer was never involved and it was put in by mistake.
Also if there are any other credits associated with:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1806829/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
please also delete
You were the one who was trying to remove factual info from the database, not me... Posting a brand new screenshot (which conveniently edits out the now-unwanted names) from a project that's been publicly available for many years is not fair.
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like I said you can contact her directly and confirm. also, what you're telling me if there has been a change, it doesn't count? 
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if there has been a change, it doesn't count?
Unfortunately not. Once a title is released, the on-screen credits of that version prevail.

From that moment on, regarding names, even if further changes are made to the project, there can be two situations:

  • A person who did work in the project wasn't listed in the original on-screen credits → They can be added to the title page with the attribute (uncredited).

  • A person who didn't work in the project was intentionally or mistakenly listed in the original on-screen credits → The attribute (credit only) should be attached to their name, but the entry will remain in the title page.
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i see. can we do that, then? also another question, can the whole project be re-listed? 
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can the whole project be re-listed?
The answer to that would be no.
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can we do that, then?
To get the (credit only) attribute added to a name you must convince the editors that such person actually didn't work in the project, and sometimes that's a tough thing.

I guess it's time to wait for an official reply (as Eboy has pointed out, despite the  badge, I'm just another contributor).
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Respected Contributor!
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I'll wait and see then 
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Alexander Kaminer

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this reply was meant for Champion
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Alexander,
No accusation was made.
Policy was stated.
Sorry it is not what you want to hear, but all I and ljdoncel are trying to convey is that the data shall remain.
The page that ljdoncel used is an internet archive service that stores data submitted to it for all time.
IMDb contributors routinely refer to this service for accurate information on pages from internet history.
This is the address of the service.
https://web.archive.org/
Cheers
Ed

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I've just replied to Champion and asked that if he wants to contact that person directly I can give him all the details. also, if a video has been edited after, why doesn't that count? 
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IMDb always uses the original first published on screen information. Addendum's are welcome into the database. But original published on screen information always takes priority and will remain.
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”Champion” is just another contributor. If you want the official reply from the IMDb staff, you have to wait for them to reply. They’re marked as ”Official Rep”. I’m afraid they’re most likely saying the same thing.
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Hi Alexander, 

Our aim is to be the most complete and reliable source of movie, TV, and entertainment information on the web. In order to continue offering our users an accurate and trustworthy service, it is our policy not to alter or delete any kind of correct/factual information from our records. As ljdoncel has explained, we list our credits on IMDb based on the on-screen credits of the original release of the title. 

We believe the data listed is factual following the credits on the original release of the title, as such we cannot remove this as requested. 

Thanks
Meredith