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My credit for Ad Astra keeps getting declined when it most certainly meets the criteria. #191002-041904-334000.

I was part of the loop group but my voice was used specially as the SpaceCom voice. It is the second voice you hear in the film and is in 7 scenes with Brad Pitt. Here is a link to what I sound like: https://www.instagram.com/p/B1M-VCohLEb/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link I have submitted it as (voice) and (uncredited). Again, it does meet the guidelines so the declination makes no sense. Please review.
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Uncredited voice credits are generally not eligible. See these guidelines.
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Not a valid argument, IMO.  Define "uncredited".  These people make the English voices for a lot of anime.  Their work is just as valid as any other.  Heck, even Netflix shows me the voice list for languages I don't listen to at the end of their product.   It would be a great service for people to know who is doing this very important localization work.
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Arcturus SaDiablo it is a very valid argument what Phil G. stated. He posted a link to the IMDb Guidelines for voice credits. We all follow it.
I think it's unfair that only English dub actors are allowed to be listed, but that'swhat the guidelines states, so I don't submit Latin American anime dubs (those actors and actresses are very famous).

Cheers.

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I'll take the generally out. Uncredited voice credits in the cast listings are not allowed.
Your credit belongs in the miscellaneous crew section.
As you can see in the picture below you are a "character performance artist"'
There are several other descriptions that may be used.
Loop Group is a valid entry also. ADR may be used.



These credits are from Ad-Astra itself.

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A note to IMDb Staff.........
An audit of Mr. Douglas' page might be in order. There are some questionable credit issues.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0235006/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
He has a lot of English redub credits that are full credits that may not meet eligibility requirements as they violate rule #4.


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I agree with Ed Jones (XLIX) in this case, the "original" English voice actors should be credited, I don't think it's appropiate to credit in the cast list every single English re-dub voice actors. They can be added as miscellaneous.
We don't credit the Japanese re-dub voice actors, we follow the rule of cast list as seen on-screen in the original release, I think that rule should apply to English voice actors too.
Cheers.

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I confess I haven't done a full audit of these titles, but from a quick scan through the two titles Ed included in his screenshot, I don't see a problem with them.

For both Hunter x Hunter and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, I see only two actors per episode for each character: the original language voice actor and an English voice actor. Which is precisely what the guidelines allow to be listed.

Am I missing something here?
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Wow, who pissed in your breakfast cereal, Ed.  All I hear is reason to NOT give people credit for the work they do.  Great way to make IMDb less relevant to the industry.  Who wants to use a site that deliberately denies the work being done?
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Hello Phil G, I have to admit too that I haven't audited those series neither and my comment was based on Ed's screenshot without further analisys. It seems the credits are ok. Please excuse my mistake.

I have seen tough, even 3 different English voice actors for the same character in some Dragon Ball related titles. I thought this was the case.

What I think it's interesting about Ed's post is the fact that some English dub voice actors are indeed being shown in the main page, because they voice main characters, so they are actually displacing original Japanese voice actors in this case.
Since English foreign dub doesn't go with number order, it would be nice that the system kept the original credited cast too, but that's another issue.

Please excuae my English and my mistake.
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Who wants to use a site that deliberately denies the work being done?

Nobody here said they agree with the current IMDb policy on this, they just stated that the current policy should be acted upon. I advise you to vote for Idea threads to change the policy: https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/actress-voice-credits-in-violation-of-rule-4?topic-reply-lis...
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A note to Mr. Douglas. I suggest you please read IMDb's rules before submitting credits that are ineligible any further.

https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/cast-acting-credits-guidelines/GH3JZC...

Thanks :):)
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Ed, the original answer to my question is reasonable and I'm fine with it. Your hall monitor behavior without thought of the actual industry you're talking about is what is at issue. Some folks may want whoever the IMDB employee is that's going to look at my credits or anyone else's to hear them. Never cool to try and silence opinion. I know you've been a contributor here for 10 years, so you may feel a sense of ownership (considering your prolific commenting and demeanor). I have been contributing here since 1998. I feel no sense of ownership but I do know the industry you're referring to and I think these comments are necessary.
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Its Undrea.

& I never said staff shouldn't review credits. I'm here to comment so that you (and maybe other staff) who see this can know that this is an industry standard.

Altering these credits here & trying to enforce this same 'rule' on other profiles would be like trying to change the way that musicians and artists tracks are displayed on the Billboard record charts.

The Billboard charts meet a certain standard, no? (Again - for example - changing the charting rules would make waves in an entire industry.) Why attempt to change a widely known and respected standard?

I'm commening so you can hopefully understand the viewpoint from an actual industry professional who is working in VO and who knows that accurate credits can assist you in nailing the next gig.

I'm commenting to give nuance and perspective. Two people are trying to tell you about the current anime industry standard. I implore you to listen.
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Yea, no you’re in the wrong sir Gatekeeper. As someone who likes to look up actors in different things I hate it when roles are uncredited. This is exactly the reason I go other places to look up uncredited roles. Because you like to try to police actors who have roles in things you don’t want to give credit too.
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Nathan Please Read Below.
I am correct./
And it is for reasons that "Help Actors"
Not Hurt them.
Thanks
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D.C. Douglas

if you change those other dub credits you'll have to do it for the whole anime industry as that's how those are credited industry wide.

Regarding factual mistakes on credits, it's a lot of work to audit and correct!!
I'm currently working with https://contribute.imdb.com/title/tt2576852/ (Kaguyahime no monogatari), where the English dub actors are listed first in number order (against IMDb Guidelines) and the few Japanese original voice actors are without number order, so I have to delete the number order for the English cast (they still are credited in the title page, but without a number order, since they weren't credited in the original Japanese theatrical release) and add a lot of Japanese actors with the proper number order. It's very time-consuming. But we choose to contribute, so no whining here, just commenting my experience (I have done this so many times), I wish all contributors follow the guidelines.

Please excuse my English, it's not my native language.

Cheers!



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ok no not crediting people for their work is wrong i disagree sir very much
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You miss the point. Credit is OK. It just is in the wrong category or has the wrong attribute. Please pay attention. No one is saying that credits be removed
Thanks
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Addressing all who replied.
A. I have approximately 15 possible credits that I could put on IMDb. All uncredited. I don't.
B. I have done limited stand up work in nowheresville.....Denver.
C. I have an IMDb page (Ed Jones XLIX) that I would prefer that not be cluttered with "Puffed Up" full credits. So my page remains empty awaiting a fully credited credit.

D. If any individual were to try and verify these credits all of you have added by looking at titles they would not find them. So these uncredited credits do not interest me whatsoever. But all of you by listing your credits without adding an uncredited attribute makes your inclusion dubious and would lead one to wonder. It is best to be honest about your credits than to mislead in any way at all. Plus it delutes your actual acting credits. Read below.


To Mr Douglas: All those voice credits detract from your actual Acting Credits. I would shift them to misc crew where they belong. How much work may have you lost because your acting credits are lost in your avalanche of uncredited voice work? I'd want those to stand out alone. Makes no sense to me that you would not see that. To sit here and argue for retention of those credits is mind boggling. You could easily make reference in your biography to your many numerous voiceover works as illustrated below on your page in the misc crew section.

Without going through every credit in your acting credits and writing down as a notation the ones where you did not do voice work, how is one to know at a quick glance what you have actually acted in. Those voice credits hide your acting credits. A producer or casting director would just give up and move on.
You clutter your page. You pay for it in a reverse manner that you don't seem to be considering.
Cheers all
Ed
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Every guideline I've quoted refers to 'animated titles', which does not in any way limit it to films. The examples are, of course, just examples and by the very nature of examples can't cover every possibility.

I see that 'be silent and await for a reply by staff' doesn't apply to you, since you've continued to post your own interpretation of the rules numerous times, claiming your interpretation to be fact.
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I left out pertinent info.
My last reply said Sorry if you read it.
Wait for staff.
My interpretation is based on the omission of the word TV or television anywhere, but the word film is everywhere.
You are extrapolating a hypothesis based on assumption that TV is included.
I however am basing my statements on zero extrapolations.
Wait for clarification by staff.
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I'm sorry to interrupt, but regarding what Angela S. said :

Please give Voice Actors ALL of their credits on EVERYTHING they work on. They deserve it for all their hard work. Fans who support them deserve to be able to find their work in order to continue supporting them.

That would be great, but it would be virtually impossible to add every single voice actor for every language. Latinamerican voice actors are incredibly well known and liked all over, from Mexico to Chile, they have millions of fans, but they are not allowed to list they foreign dub credits.
Perhaps IMDb could create a specific section, I don't know. It would be nice to see all the voice actors work being recognized, not only the English ones.


To Ed Jones (XLIX), unless it is a Netflix original animated series/movie, no Japanese series/movies has English voice actors credited, as we both know. The English dub cast that is allowed to be listed is the one credited on-screen in the original English broadcast/release. I have to trust the English contributors on this one, because I cannot prove what's on-screen in the English versions, only the original Japanese ones.

Cheers.


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That would be great, but it would be virtually impossible to add every single voice actor for every language.

It would certainly be a challenge, but currently, IMDb won't even let us try to achieve this minor miracle. Therefore I'd advise everyone who feels voice actors of all languages should be listed to vote for the Idea threads we have on this: https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/actress-voice-credits-in-violation-of-rule-4?topic-reply-lis...
For the people in this thread who are also voice actors: I'd advise you to make sure your colleagues know about this issue with IMDb and let them voice their concerns here as well!

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That would be great, but it would be virtually impossible to add every single voice actor for every language.

It would certainly be a challenge, but currently, IMDb won't even let us try to achieve this minor miracle. Therefore I'd advise everyone who feels voice actors of all languages should be listed to vote for the Idea threads we have on this: https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/actress-voice-credits-in-violation-of-rule-4?topic-reply-lis...
For the people in this thread who are also voice actors: I'd advise you to make sure your colleagues know about this issue with IMDb and let them voice their concerns here as well!

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My five cents on this issue after following it for quite a while and see two sides there being frustrated.

Unfortunately, considering how most streaming services (like Netflix), do dubbing credits, they are are not eligible. Mainly because they are not really a part of the title in question, merely a supplement/part of the release: the way they bill them they are basically credits for alternate sound tracks. If you look at the screenshot provided by Mike Toole, Netflix always specifies "English version", making a point that as we see it, credits are not a part of original release, thus ironically, making dub credits uneligible by displaying them. It sounds like absurd, when you think about it, but logically it makes sense according to IMDb guidelines as most alternate version credits are not eligible, for now (hopefully not for ever). "English version" credits that we see as eligible in IMDb guidelines refer to cases of dubs done by TV station which have full credits on a strictly respective version of a title. "Provided original (English language) voice for an American animated film" is at what current rules of IMDb concur.    

And I'm saying that as a longtime advocate for introducing international version credits to IMDb because I find current position that only some  English version dubs are eligible (and not all of them, as we see in this case) rather discriminative, because foreign dubs in my humble opinion would've been a great addition to IMDb as well. For now they reside in cluttered and largely forgotten sections of "Other works" on each actor's pages, which now usually need serious rehauls because commercials and music videos previously displayed there are now eligible titles and therefore should be removed: something which is done rather slowly considering it's a recent change.

The problem is way deeper than with just voice actors, though: I'd say that a separate section to cover international version credits is also very much needed for cases in which international versions contain whole scenes filmed specifically for the release. Granted, it's not something we see often today, but it happened with quite a few important titles and respective credits/listings cannot be added properly, unless credited for some reason on most versions of the title. 
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how most streaming services (like Netflix), do dubbing credits, they are are not eligible. Mainly because they are not really a part of the title in question, merely a supplement/part of the release
This has been my point all along. I asked the O.P. for proof on a title of being credited in the main credits and he chose to provide the example you have just cited. Addendum's added after the fact.
Ineligible!