I'm starting to add more credits, especially to older shows that don't have full credits. I noticed that some shows have "executive in charge of production" credits, usually followed by a company name. How should these be listed in IMDb?
Currently, there is a position under production management called "executive in charge of production" but there are many variations that include company names. I don't think the company name belongs in the occupation. Does it need to be included at all? Should it be part of the attribute? I think we need just a single occupation called "executive in charge of production" because adding the company makes them fairly unique titles that will only have a handful of people to ever hold that position.
Currently, there is a position under production management called "executive in charge of production" but there are many variations that include company names. I don't think the company name belongs in the occupation. Does it need to be included at all? Should it be part of the attribute? I think we need just a single occupation called "executive in charge of production" because adding the company makes them fairly unique titles that will only have a handful of people to ever hold that position.
Adrian, Champion
Posted 2 years ago
GMJ, Champion
Not fully sure if this is related, but I usually add the company if it’s listed in the credits next/under the person (depends on the case, though). For example:
”in charge of production: QM Productions" or
"in charge of production: 20th Century Fox"
You need to add colon (:) after the occupation in these cases so the system understands that anything after the colon is not part of the occupation.
And the (general) rule from GMJ is very good:
”I've always made an effort to submit credits exactly, or as close as possible, to how the credits are listed on the screen.”
Sometimes it can be difficult with non-English credits/occupations, but I’ll always do my best and try to respect the original credits.
”in charge of production: QM Productions" or
"in charge of production: 20th Century Fox"
You need to add colon (:) after the occupation in these cases so the system understands that anything after the colon is not part of the occupation.
And the (general) rule from GMJ is very good:
”I've always made an effort to submit credits exactly, or as close as possible, to how the credits are listed on the screen.”
Sometimes it can be difficult with non-English credits/occupations, but I’ll always do my best and try to respect the original credits.
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Agreed. There are some notes in the submission guide that are relevant here: https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/miscellaneous-crew/GKJ77YEG6FGKV6FC
Note the second and third points under ‘occupations’ about using a colon to separate the extra info and capitalization, and the section on ‘Group credits’ about company listings (although it’s the guide for misc crew, I believe these points actually apply to all departments)
Note the second and third points under ‘occupations’ about using a colon to separate the extra info and capitalization, and the section on ‘Group credits’ about company listings (although it’s the guide for misc crew, I believe these points actually apply to all departments)
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Adrian, Champion
Thanks Phil. It's been a while since I've read through the miscellaneous crew guide. Having a standard (and documented) separator, such as the colon, alleviates my concerns about the data. Even if IMDb doesn't treat the data any differently, someone using the data knows that the job description/occupation is before the separator and additional information is after.
However, I do wonder about applicability. Do these rules only apply to the miscellaneous crew? If not, they should be moved to their own section and then linked into the guides that they are applicable to.
However, I do wonder about applicability. Do these rules only apply to the miscellaneous crew? If not, they should be moved to their own section and then linked into the guides that they are applicable to.
I believe these rules apply to every department where you can choose the occupation (from the list), or add a new one. So you can add the company after the colon (:), whether it’s a producer or some occupation from the Misc Department.
However, I believe with certain departments like Director, Editor or Cinematographer you don’t really have that option since you can’t ”choose” or write the occupation. There have been several times when the company name is linked to editor, for example. I doubt that adding the company to ”attribute” field is the ideal way.
However, I believe with certain departments like Director, Editor or Cinematographer you don’t really have that option since you can’t ”choose” or write the occupation. There have been several times when the company name is linked to editor, for example. I doubt that adding the company to ”attribute” field is the ideal way.
Nikolay Yeriomin (Mykola Yeromin), Champion
It might not be the ideal way, but it works.
Where have you seen companies linked to editor? Maybe you confused guilds/associations for such?
Where have you seen companies linked to editor? Maybe you confused guilds/associations for such?
Will, Official Rep
Hi all,
As you are aware unfortunately we are limited to our department lists and the one attribute field for these credits. Just to confirm that we would prefer to list the attribute as closely as it appears on screen for those job roles including any company names and if you are doing so please use a ":" to differentiate this from the job role e.g. ”in charge of production: QM Productions" as stated in the Miscellaneous Crew guide.
This is a standard rule across most data types. When there are 2 or more subtitles following each other use alternatively ":" and "-".
I hope this helps.
As you are aware unfortunately we are limited to our department lists and the one attribute field for these credits. Just to confirm that we would prefer to list the attribute as closely as it appears on screen for those job roles including any company names and if you are doing so please use a ":" to differentiate this from the job role e.g. ”in charge of production: QM Productions" as stated in the Miscellaneous Crew guide.
This is a standard rule across most data types. When there are 2 or more subtitles following each other use alternatively ":" and "-".
I hope this helps.
Adrian, Champion
Since this is a standard rule across multiple data types, can we get the rule moved out of the miscellaneous crew section into its own section and link it to other sections that it apply to so that contributors know of the rule and that it applies to more that the miscellaneous crew section?
Will, Official Rep
This rule is already documented in the title formatting guide https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/title-formatting/G56U5ERK7YY47CQB?ref_=helpsrall# but is a little niche to be included as a separate guide in its own right. If you have any other sections where you feel it would be usefully applied please let me know and I can look at getting it added.
Regards,
Will
Regards,
Will
Adrian, Champion
I would think you would want to add a mention of it in the producers and production managers sections as that is where I've most commonly seen it.
Also, I guess I wouldn't have thought as these being "subtitles" to a credit.
Also, I guess I wouldn't have thought as these being "subtitles" to a credit.
Will, Official Rep
Hi Adrian,
Those have been amended now.
Those have been amended now.
Hi Will! The Executive In Charge Of Production title would be best placed in the "Producers" drop down, as it is essentially a higher titled line producer, and the line producer reports to this person. This title is usually billed up with the executive producers, in television. Hope this helps!
Adrian, Champion
I'm just thinking from a data mining perspective. Is anybody particularly interested in finding all the people with the job title of "in charge of production QM Productions"? Maybe, but I think they'd be far more interested in searching for "in charge of production" regardless of which company it was for.
Also, even if you believe the company should be part of the occupation (which is where I really have a problem with it), there are still multiple ways that it has been entered into the system for example, you have it as
Quinn Martin -- in charge of production: QM Productions
but I've seen similar that would have
Quinn Martin -- in charge of production qm productions
or
Quinn Martin -- in charge of production QM Productions
This also happens a lot for me when I look at executive producers. I guess, in the end, I don't really care but it would be nice if the guide had a standard that everyone could follow (or at least that we could fall back on to fix if people didn't follow it.)
GMJ, Champion
In the case of long-time TV executive William Self, his name was noted on numerous TV programs produced by 20th Century Fox Television without the company name included. The example I linked to was one of the few times where the company name was noted due to the fact that this specific TV series was a joint production.
A contributor could either just note the executive in charge of production in the occupation section or include more specific information as needed.
Just my two cents. Thanks for posting.
Adrian, Champion
One of my points of asking these questions here is to get IMDb to respond and then update the guides so that things get standardized.
Nikolay Yeriomin (Mykola Yeromin), Champion
An example I've stumbled upon: Edward Muhl on Charade (1963) as seen on studio logo in the opening credits. I've become so curious about the situation I precisely looked how it is listed on IMDb.
Jeorj Euler