Executive in charge credit question

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I'm starting to add more credits, especially to older shows that don't have full credits. I noticed that some shows have "executive in charge of production" credits, usually followed by a company name. How should these be listed in IMDb?

Currently, there is a position under production management called "executive in charge of production" but there are many variations that include company names. I don't think the company name belongs in the occupation. Does it need to be included at all? Should it be part of the attribute? I think we need just a single occupation called "executive in charge of production" because adding the company makes them fairly unique titles that will only have a handful of people to ever hold that position.
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Adrian,

I've always made an effort to submit credits exactly, or as close as possible, to how the credits are listed on the screen.

For example, click the link for TV series page "12 O'Clock High" (1964), which was a joint production. Scroll to the Production Management section and note the way credits are listed for TV executives Quinn Martin (QM Productions) and William Self (20th Century Fox Television). 

In my opinion, it is worth the effort to include that information. I hope this helps.
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This is kind of my quandary. In general, I agree that the credits should be as they appear on screen. However, is there really any difference in the job between "in charge of production QM Productions" and "in charge of production 20th Century Fox"? I would think not. Also, if you were searching by job titles, these would be two distinct job titles where really I'm not sure that they should be. This leads to a proliferation of similar but not the same job designations. It seems that the additional information of the company should go somewhere else, other than the occupation but unfortunately, the only other field we have is the attribute.

I'm just thinking from a data mining perspective. Is anybody particularly interested in finding all the people with the job title of "in charge of production QM Productions"? Maybe, but I think they'd be far more interested in searching for "in charge of production" regardless of which company it was for.

Also, even if you believe the company should be part of the occupation (which is where I really have a problem with it), there are still multiple ways that it has been entered into the system for example, you have it as

Quinn Martin -- in charge of production: QM Productions

but I've seen similar that would have

Quinn Martin -- in charge of production qm productions

or

Quinn Martin -- in charge of production QM Productions

This also happens a lot for me when I look at executive producers. I guess, in the end, I don't really care but it would be nice if the guide had a standard that everyone could follow (or at least that we could fall back on to fix if people didn't follow it.)
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With all due respect, I think it's important to include this information for historical purposes. Not every credit can be anticipated when creating a list of job titles.

In the case of long-time TV executive William Self, his name was noted on numerous TV programs produced by 20th Century Fox Television without the company name included. The example I linked to was one of the few times where the company name was noted due to the fact that this specific TV series was a joint production.

A contributor could either just note the executive in charge of production in the occupation section or include more specific information as needed.

Just my two cents. Thanks for posting.
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I'm not saying it isn't important to include for historical references, I'm just not sure where it goes and it doesn't seem an integral part of the occupation.

One of my points of asking these questions here is to get IMDb to respond and then update the guides so that things get standardized.
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My comment will probably only mildly be related to the problem, but some movies have "in charge of production" credit superimposed on the studio logo and that, usually listed as just "in charge of production". 

An example I've stumbled upon: Edward Muhl on Charade (1963) as seen  on studio logo in the opening credits. I've become so curious about the situation I precisely looked how it is listed on IMDb.
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Quinn Martin -- in charge of production: QM Productions
Looks good to me.
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Not fully sure if this is related, but I usually add the company if it’s listed in the credits next/under the person (depends on the case, though). For example:


”in charge of production: QM Productions" or

"in charge of production: 20th Century Fox"


You need to add colon (:) after the occupation in these cases so the system understands that anything after the colon is not part of the occupation.


And the (general) rule from GMJ is very good:

”I've always made an effort to submit credits exactly, or as close as possible, to how the credits are listed on the screen.”


Sometimes it can be difficult with non-English credits/occupations, but I’ll always do my best and try to respect the original credits.
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Agreed. There are some notes in the submission guide that are relevant here: https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/miscellaneous-crew/GKJ77YEG6FGKV6FC

Note the second and third points under ‘occupations’ about using a colon to separate the extra info and capitalization, and the section on ‘Group credits’ about company listings (although it’s the guide for misc crew, I believe these points actually apply to all departments)
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Thanks Phil. It's been a while since I've read through the miscellaneous crew guide. Having a standard (and documented) separator, such as the colon, alleviates my concerns about the data. Even if IMDb doesn't treat the data any differently, someone using the data knows that the job description/occupation is before the separator and additional information is after.

However, I do wonder about applicability. Do these rules only apply to the miscellaneous crew? If not, they should be moved to their own section and then linked into the guides that they are applicable to.
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I believe these rules apply to every department where you can choose the occupation (from the list), or add a new one. So you can add the company after the colon (:), whether it’s a producer or some occupation from the Misc Department.

However, I believe with certain departments like Director, Editor or Cinematographer you don’t really have that option since you can’t ”choose” or write the occupation. There have been several times when the company name is linked to editor, for example. I doubt that adding the company to ”attribute” field is the ideal way.
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It might not be the ideal way, but it works. 

Where have you seen companies linked to editor? Maybe you confused guilds/associations for such? 
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I don’t see any real point of giving some random examples when some of these are older, smaller European productions from my country and often with very little info on Internet. But I can usually provide screenshots of the actual credits.

Sometimes e.g. editor (and actually quite often some sound personnel) is hired from some company where he/she works, so the company name is also added to end credits.
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Hi all,

As you are aware unfortunately we are limited to our department lists and the one attribute field for these credits. Just to confirm that we would prefer to list the attribute as closely as it appears on screen for those job roles including any company names and if you are doing so please use a ":" to differentiate this from the job role e.g. ”in charge of production: QM Productions" as stated in the Miscellaneous Crew guide.

This is a standard rule across most data types. When there are 2 or more subtitles following each other use alternatively ":" and "-".

I hope this helps.
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Since this is a standard rule across multiple data types, can we get the rule moved out of the miscellaneous crew section into its own section and link it to other sections that it apply to so that contributors know of the rule and that it applies to more that the miscellaneous crew section?
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This rule is already documented in the title formatting guide https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/title-formatting/G56U5ERK7YY47CQB?ref_=helpsrall# but is a little niche to be included as a separate guide in its own right. If you have any other sections where you feel it would be usefully applied please let me know and I can look at getting it added.

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Will
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I would think you would want to add a mention of it in the producers and production managers sections as that is where I've most commonly seen it.

Also, I guess I wouldn't have thought as these being "subtitles" to a credit.
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Hi Adrian,

Those have been amended now.
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Hi Will!  The Executive In Charge Of Production title would be best placed in the "Producers" drop down, as it is essentially a higher titled line producer, and the line producer reports to this person.  This title is usually billed up with the executive producers, in television.   Hope this helps!