Fake Profiles Created to Fool People

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The following pages are fake:
Karl Atticus http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5637108/
Culture Shock (1969) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2963536/

They are fake pages for this movie Mortal Remains (2012) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2963536/ which should have the documentary tag removed as it is pure fiction. The creators just made fake pages on this site as well as Wikipedia to fool some people into thinking their movie is real.
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The third link should be:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2188831/

Also worth noting that the pages on Wikipedia were deleted with extreme prejudice - not even deleted, they were removed as blatant hoaxes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...

Although the last one is for the fake film he was supposed to have directed, not the 2012 mockumentary (although amusingly it will now make it harder for them to start an article on the legitimate film).

I wonder if the simplest thing would be merging Culture Shock into Mortal Remains, although I wouldn't do that without staff input - the best thing would to remove Karl Atticus and Culture Shock entirely.

We are left with another problem - if it isn't really a documentary, then there are actors playing roles, which we don't have any record for - Karl Atticus never appears as himself, clearly, but who played him? Has anyone got access to the credits? Are they also deliberately obfuscated? We could do with resolving this before deleting the Atticus entry.

All very tricky.
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It will be intentionally hard to find who the cast was. The whole premise of the marketing is that the movie is real. I found an interview with the creators and they pretended it was real the whole time. Their web site includes a link to the IMDb page of Karl Atticus, so I think it was them who made all the fake pages.

I think the IMDb staff should handle this by deleting all the fake pages and preventing them from being made again.

Funnily enough, one of the people involved with the Blair Witch Project is involved with this movie, so I think they are trying a similar marketing strategy.
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It will be intentionally hard to find who the cast was.


Are there no credits on the film?
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The problem is it is currently making rounds at film festivals. So the only information released has been fake.
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Hey gang, I am trying to see what I can find out too. I also heard the recent interview, and either this is a brilliant marketing campaign or perhaps there is some truth. A few on line references I came across still have me questioning the authenticity while others have me doubting my own research capabilities. I will touch base as I get closer to an answer.
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Wait... this has gotta be a ploy from those Blair Witch guys! Yes?
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Yes.
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I don't know anything about the Vernon Blake character. Is he suppose to be part of the movie? What is S/A films?
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They are the fake writer and production company whose only credit is the fake film:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2963536/
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Wait a minute... something is fishy here.

This "Jonathan" person above just established an account yesterday... just to be part of THIS conversation?

Now I must ask... are you two part of this documentary trying to strike up a controversy?

Pray tell before I report you!
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This "Jonathan" person above just established an account yesterday... just to be part of THIS conversation?

Now I must ask... are you two part of this documentary trying to strike up a controversy?

Pray tell before I report you!


As you can tell, I didn't sign up yesterday and, if it needs saying, I wasn't born then either.

Given this:

Joseph Blowe
Joined October 17, 2013


I could turn this around and suggest you are in on the joke (perhaps part of the production team?), hoping to scatter misinformation into what is a pretty straightforward case of fake profiles being created as part of an advertising campaign.
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Emperor,

My apologies... I wasn't referring to you... I was referring to "Jonathan", who seems to have created an account just to bring this to our attention.

I also noticed that whoever had the Wikipedia pages deleted, erased their wiki account hours later. This seems particularity suspicious, don't you think? A bit of sabotage perhaps? I am new to this filmmaker mythos (Karl Atticus that is), so I don't know much about his validity. What I do know is that it seems their maybe something more going on here; fake sites aside. That's all.

To assure you... I would assume that if the filmmakers are on a "festival run" as was suggested prior, they don't have time to be bothering with us here. They have bigger things going on... yes?

P.S. In full disclosure... I should admit I am a conspiracy theorist.
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I also noticed that whoever had the Wikipedia pages deleted, erased their wiki account hours later. This seems particularity suspicious, don't you think?


Perhaps, it is was true. Someone couldn't set up a "hit and run" account to delete articles on Wikipedia, it needs an administrator (of which I am one) and the person who deleted all those articles (who is clearly linked in from the pages I linked to above) is both an administrator and still very much active on the site:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Na...

I'd say "nice try" but it wasn't...

What I do know is that it seems their maybe something more going on here


There really isn't, unless you have actual evidence.

Sorry if this spoils all the "fun" of laying a false trail, but there is enough poor quality data added by well-meaning users, that needs a lot of time devoted to the clean-up, without people adding deliberate fake pages.
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Totally agreed! If it is a hoax... then it should be exposed.

I just wish I could have read the Wikipedia pages as another source from which to verify for myself. Now, I'll wonder.

All the same... I look forward to continuing my hunt.

So far, I have only come across a legitimate book review that mentions his name... of course, that could simply be another filmmaker by the same name.

I'll keep you posted!
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I just wish I could have read the Wikipedia pages as another source from which to verify for myself.


As an admin I can see the old pages and they are a decent shot at fake pages, even if they were found out.

You can find one of the most recent versions here:

http://web.archive.org/web/2013081523...

The fake film pages aren't there but they are weaker and use some of the same sources:

Culture Shock:

^ Slaughterhouse magazine, issue #6; HCS Association, January 1990, pg. 64.
^ Horror Fan magazine, issue #4; GCR Publishing Group, October 1990, pg. 16


Mortal Remains:

^ Horror Fan magazine, issue #4; GCR Publishing Group, October 1990, pg. 18.
^ "Violent Film Sparks Riot at Baltimore Movie Theater," Washington Star, Wednesday, June 7th, 1972.
^ Slaughterhouse magazine, issue #6; HCS Association, January 1990, pg. 67.


Also removed was the Vernon Blake article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...

Partial bibliography
Books

Mortuus (1919)
Green Hell (1920)
Pieces of Eight (1921)
Jungle Drums (1923)
Thanatos (1925)
Mortal Remains (1926)

Short stories

The Chinaman (published as Le Chinois) (1918)
Goblins (1920)
Night Chills (1921)
Long Pork (1923)
Memento Mori (1927)
So Below (1927)
Hunter's Moon (1930)
The Fever (1932)
Demogorgon (1933)

References

^ a b Article in Gorezone magazine, issue #27; Starlog Group, Fall 1993.
^ Article in World of Horror magazine, issue #2; Eclectic Publishing, August 1989, pg. 32.
^ Article in New Orleans Times-Picayune, July 28, 1937.


Happy conspiracing, although you are wasting your time and you'll forgive us if we don't get these pages deleted in the meantime.
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Of course... not... do what you gotta do. Thanks for the Karl link.

Now I am starting to see where you and Jonathan are coming from!
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Joseph Blowe,

The reason I registered right before posting is I could not find a way to email IMDb directly, so this is the only way I could find to bring it to their attention.

Is there an email address for the IMDb staff published anywhere?
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Is there an email address for the IMDb staff published anywhere?


No need - they've read the thread and marked it as "Acknowledged". I assume this has been kicked over to their data processing staff to look into.
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Thanks for pointing it out. I didn't see that.

Although, the reason I asked that was because I was wondering if there is a better way to handle this type of problem in the future.
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Nope, what you did is the best way of addressing such an issue.
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Okay. Thanks.
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Jonathan,

You mentioned that you were looking for the cast list for the movie Mortal Remains 2012? I found it in a number of places actually. It is not that hard to locate.

You also mentioned that that film may be fake? But, I found a Facebook account for a movie under the same title, which I checked out. It stated that this film just had a showing at the American Film Institute. So I thought I'd call the Institute. Sure enough, a film by that name did recently play there.

What other films did these people make that are fake, though? Can I get the titles?

Has anybody even tried to make contact through the Facebook site?
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You mentioned that you were looking for the cast list for the movie Mortal Remains 2012? I found it on the IMDb page for the movie at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2188831/.


That is the fake cast list - clearly if Atticus never existed, he can't appear as himself in the film. We need to know who the actor who played him was and I assume actors played some of the other self credits.

You also mentioned that that film may be fake?


No I didn't, we know the 2012 is real. However, on the fake Wikipedia article it mentions another film by Atticus also called Mortal Remains - the recent documentary about Atticus, which does exist, is clearly named after the non-existent earlier film.

So I thought I'd call the Institute. Sure enough, a film by that name did recently play there.


If you genuinely did that, then you've wasted your time and resources. Not just because Atticus and his films are fake, but because you've got the wrong end of the stick.

Has anybody even tried to make contact through the Facebook site?


I'm not on there, but what would the point be if they went to all the trouble of creating fake Wikipedia articles and IMDB entries? The pages on IMDB are fake and need removing, their input isn't really needed on that.
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Morning fellas,

I was up pretty late last evening, continuing my investigation. From what information I have gathered personally, everything, except the "real" 2012 film, is all a myth. I just needed to confirm this for myself. (No offense, but just because you two and a Wikipedia administrator claim false pretense, that is hardly an empirical assessment enough for someone like me to put my reputation on the line, if I didn't confirm this all for myself.)

My interests are focused less on THAT these "fake" IMDb pages exist(ed), and more so on who posted this stuff and why. Is it simply an advertising campaign? Why take that risk and potential legal ramifications just to promote a film? And, is there an advantage to eliminating those pages now, for some reason. (Who might be "clearing the record" or their tracks, at least.)

Jonathan claims, in his original post, that it was the "filmmakers" that made both the IMDb posts and the Wikipedia reference pages. Seems like he has intimate knowledge? This has peaked my curiosity. That's a pretty bold claim, to make such a connection. It's even more suspicious for whoever contacted Wikipedia to have completely erased their tracks (create an account, do the deed and quickly erase their account - or "hit and run" as you refer to it. And I must say, Jonathan has remained suspiciously silent [overall] throughout this conversation.)

That's what I am mainly interested in. The minds behind this activity and "who" all is part of this picture. I sense there is a clean scrubbing happening and it is happening quickly, on multiple sites with efficient reaction (not just IMDb and Wikipedia, but a host of other sites that I have encountered in my research). If this happens to be the filmmakers themselves sweeping this under the rug, then the only time I have to act is now. I have my reasons and I thank you for your time.

I sense this thread is not particularly interested in my angle, so I think I'll just take the chat to another source and proceed from there. My apologies if you feel I have wasted your time. But I thank you all the same.

I'll be in touch, that is, if this post is still being maintained and I can find some more interesting concrete info!

P.S. Emperor, why wouldn't a gal like me make a call to the A.F.I. In full disclosure, I am not only a conspiracy theorist, I am also a private investigator. And no, I am not connected with the filmmakers if you are still wondering. I am coming in from a completely different angle, that I can't really disclose in a public forum such as this... at least, at this time. But thanks for your informative research. Best
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The reason I said the IMDb page was made by the company who made the movie is the Karl Atticus IMDb page is listed on their website.

The pages were obviously created as part of an advertising campaign. There are several posts on forums as well as news sites where people are trying to say Karl Atticus was real. People will then probably search for him and upon finding the fake pages think he is real and their interest in the movie will be piqued.

Also, if you read the interview with the creators (the one they pretend it is real in), they say it will be marketed like found-footage films. One of the people responsible for the Blair Witch Project is involved in this. If you remember, the Blair Witch Project was marketed as real.

The reason I have not posted much here is Emperor was addressing all your concerns before I checked back.

To answer one of your other concerns, I was also the person who posted that the pages on Wikipedia were fake. I never deleted my account. I just didn't create a user page, which is why the name I use there shows up as red.

The reason I wanted these fake pages taken care of is they undermine the reputability of the sites.

I am curious what your ultimate goal is. I know you don't want to say it on a public forum. If you don't mind emailing me it, my address is at gmail and is jonathan.atn
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One more thing. I think I actually found out about this movie the same place as you did, at a conspiracy forum. Before posts were deleted there, they said the thread might need to be flushed, as it was trying to start an urban legend.
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Is it simply an advertising campaign? Why take that risk and potential legal ramifications just to promote a film?


I don't see any problems - no one has ever been sued over a fake Wikipedia article or IMDB entry, the courts would be full to the brim if that were the case. The only downside for them is the one I mentioned - the bar for them getting their actual film on Wikipedia is no set higher as they added a fake film of the same name. Other than that, it is largely all positive for them.

And, is there an advantage to eliminating those pages now, for some reason. (Who might be "clearing the record" or their tracks, at least.)


It is important to get rid of them now, as they've clearly been used as part of the leverage for demonstrating that it exists (all the other "sources" they used on Wikipedia were offline, which made it difficult for people to check), and then you could end up in a circular situation where someone watching the documentary finds the information on other sites, largely based on IMDB and then they try and add the information back in. You need to pinch this in the bud asap.

It's even more suspicious for whoever contacted Wikipedia to have completely erased their tracks (create an account, do the deed and quickly erase their account - or "hit and run" as you refer to it.


When I mentioned "hit and run" accounts, you will notice I did this in the context of saying this didn't happen - an admin did it, which means a long period of editing Wikipedia, followed by a nomination process and they are still active on their now.

And no, I am not connected with the filmmakers if you are still wondering.


I am still not giving up that possibility quite yet - that you are here to scatter enough misinformation to cast doubt in the mind of admins and keep the entries up as long as possible.

Then again, you are helping keep this thread bumped, so it is win-win ;)