Help removing a birth date?

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How do I delete birth date listing in my IMDB profile? It is loosing me work and others do not have it listed. It is discriminatory.

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Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Policy regarding deleting crew members.
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Umhm. Heard it all before. Good luck finding ways to not be victim of discrimination, Judy.
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Short answer. There is no way.
IMDb does not cause age discrimination. People cause age discrimination. Also a thought to ponder.
What if a casting director that is not familiar with you personally is looking to cast 200 people that are middle aged, or seniors, or are 20 somethings, and you age is missing, you might lose out on work because the is NO age listed.
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I am not an actor. My age should be irrelevant to any producer looking to hire my position in the way an actor might be. It clearly is discriminatory and can interfere with hiring due to bias against people over 50.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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Again, IMDb does not cause age discrimination. People cause age discrimination.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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I'm 63 so I sympathize. But I am what I am. I deal with it.
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Still a spring chicken.
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Cluck Cluck Cough Cough!
I used to Cluck only when I was younger. But ya get old!
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If someone tries to remove an actor's date of birth, whether it's their own or someone else's, how does IMDb know the date of birth was correct in the first place? If it can't be proven what the actor's date of birth is, IMDb should remove it if someone says it's wrong.
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For the past decade or so, proof has been required for most Contributors to get their DOB addition submissions approved.
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how does IMDb know the date of birth was correct in the first place?

Documented proof is needed when submissions are made on D.O.B.
IE: Additions or Corrections. IMDb does not remove correct or factual records. They will correct an incorrect submission. Typos are made sometimes.

If it can't be proven what the actor's date of birth is
See first reply.

IMDb should remove it if someone says it's wrong
See first reply.

If someone tries to remove an actor's date of birth, whether it's their own or someone else's
See first reply
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What reply are you talking about? I already know IMDb doesn't remove information if it's correct. My question is how do they even know the information is correct in the first place? It's so easy to add credits and information. You can literally make up stuff and add it to IMDb without them even verifying it, but if someone wants to remove it, they have to give proof. If that's the case, IMDb should have to prove the information was correct in the first place. Years ago you had to give quite a bit of evidence for certain things; nowadays anyone can add virtually anything with little or no evidence.
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Please read and Comprehend

Documented proof is needed when submissions are made on D.O.B.
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https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/names-biographical-data/biographical-data-guidelines/GMT9...

Date of Birth/Date of Death 


We do not remove valid dates of birth/dates of death, so please do not submit deletions.

The place of birth should be in the same form as a location in the locations list, with the city (if applicable) and country, plus whatever other subdivisions are appropriate for the country (i.e., state - examples: Los Angeles, California, USA; London, England, UK, etc.)

The place of birth/death should reflect the political divisions at the time. In cases where divisions or place names have changed over time, it is acceptable to show the current place names within [square brackets].
If the name of the birth place has changed, list the new name as [now ...] i.e. here. If the territory of the birth place has changed, list the name of the current territory as [now in...] i.e. here.

A list of the locations currently being used can be displayed by clicking on the gray list icon ( ) next to the place field.
We do not consider Wikipedia (or other collaboratively edited wiki-style sites) to be an acceptable source for birth dates. However, many Wikipedia articles include online citations and external links which provide supporting evidence of the subject's birth date, and these are often appropriate URLs to include in your submission.

We are looking for links to public records, printed publications, or official documents. We do allow social media links to be an acceptable source for birthdates (i.e. Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc.)

If submitting a date of birth for a minor under 18 years of age, you must include a URL confirming the year of birth.

We will no longer accept DOBs for minors without supporting evidence. We do hold some BC/BCE birth and death dates, but at the moment it's not possible to add this type of data through our submissions system. If you have data like this that you wish to add, please contact us using the form below and we'll be glad to help.


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On a personal note. I have tried to contribute a DOB on one particular actor 4 times and have been denied.

So your supposition of IT being easy is hogwash.

anyone can add virtually anything with little or no evidence.
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You are the who has a reading comprehension problem. Nothing in your response addresses what I said. I easily added a date of birth years ago and I literally didn't have to give a single piece of evidence. What if I put the wrong date of birth? How would IMDb know it was wrong? They'll only know it was wrong if someone proves what the correct date of birth is. Suppose the person whose page has the wrong DOB wants it removed but doesn't want the correct information added. That person is screwed because IMDb won't delete the wrong DOB unless the correct one is given.

Adding stuff to IMDb is so easy (depending on whose page it is). You could easily add tons of credits to a certain page and even include wrong information. I've seen it happen multiple times. There are people who will add credits to a certain person's page (most likely a youtuber) and give wrong info simply because they're trolls and want to mess with that person. It's very easy to add all kinds of BS on IMDb and virtually impossible to have it removed.


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Your are dancing around the facts. You want to delete your date of birth that you entered on your own biographical data page. Of course proof was not needed. It was your own page. They trust the page owners submissions. Then with that being said, did you falsify the submission? If not, it is factual and will not be removed. If you did falsify it and you want it changed you will now have to prove that the date you provided on your own page was false and provide the documents to prove that you are indeed born on a different date than you originally claimed. They will only update the date, not remove it.
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Bobby Hall, you wrote, "I easily added a date of birth years ago and I literally didn't have to give a single piece of evidence." What is the 18-digit reference number for that submission?
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"They trust the page owners submissions." Hm? Well, they should not.
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Ed Jones, you said "It was your own page. They trust the page owners submissions." Wrong. You don't own "your own" page. IMDb owns it and can do whatever they want with it as long as the information is correct or they think it's correct.

Jeorj, why do you want the reference number?
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Semantics. Your own page refers the one that is you. A certain amount of trust is extended to the person who the pages name belongs to. You are being argumentative for the sake of what?
I have a page. They have allowed my submissions without question to "My" page. The same types of submissions to others pages, not so much. Rejections have happened. So don't purport that what you say is fact.

You are trying to find an argument that you can use for a goal of your own that you will not share here. If you will not state your real intentions, then please discontinue dialog here.

And Jeorj asked a legitimate question. What is your 18 digit reference number for the submission you are so concerned with? I don't know is not an answer. All your submissions can be found at these two locations.

https://contribute.imdb.com/contributions/history

https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/history/?ref_=helpms_ch_ci_history

If you are unwilling to provide required information requested so that IMDb staff can investigate, than your only purpose here is to cause disruption, and waste peoples time that actually have a sincere desire to help others.

Please don's abuse us contributors and in some cases fellow participants in your own industry in this manor.

Thanks
Ed
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"You are trying to find an argument that you can use for a goal of your own that you will not share here. If you will not state your real intentions, then please discontinue dialog here."

Correct. I'm trying to find an argument that I can use for my own goal just like IMDb uses arguments for their own goals. My goal is to remove a bunch of ridiculous credits of youtube videos from my page that some troll added because he thought it would be funny. Years ago I made a bunch of silly videos and gave myself numerous ridiculous credits as a joke. Eventually some troll decided to add all that information to IMDb, so now I have all these stupid credits on my page along with my few legitimate ones.

I've tried to explain why they shouldn't be there but IMDb doesn't care. They just want as much information and data as possible about someone no matter how ridiculous it is. It's very easy to add credits to someone's page (if they're not famous). You don't even need evidence. I was able to add some legitimate credits to the pages of some friends of mine and I didn't have to give any evidence. This is all fine when it's accurate and the credits make sense, but someone shouldn't be allowed to add every single youtube video someone makes and put them on IMDb.

Regarding the age issue, I think if a person doesn't want their age displayed they should be allowed to remove it, unless they're a famous person whose age is listed everywhere already. When you're famous you give up certain "rights," but when you're basically unknown and it's "your" own page you want to edit, you should be allowed to.

"Please don's abuse us contributors and in some cases fellow participants in your own industry in this manor." Uh, how am I abusing anyone? I'm complaining about an issue with IMDb.

Also, your reply to the original poster where you said "IMDb does not cause age discrimination. People cause age discrimination." doesn't make much sense. That's like saying if IMDb publishes someone's sexual orientation, religion, previous arrest record, controversial Twitter statements, photos on Facebook, etc. that doesn't cause discrimination, but the people who take advantage of that information. That's basically saying "We know this could easily lead to discrimination but we don't care." What a childish way to think.
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No reply needed. You have revealed your true self. Everyone else is to blame but ones own self!
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Oh really? It's my fault that someone added a bunch of youtube videos to my IMDb page? Clearly you're a volunteer just so you can be a  jerk to other people. Have a nice day.
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No you are blaming someone for putting factual data on IMDb and blaming them "FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS" You made them. You just admitted as such.
There is no fault. You are laying fault on another individual for something for which there is no dispute about. Plus I did NOT say it was your fault.
There is no fault.
There is however a perceived by you "Self Fault".
No one but you has claimed any fault.

You keep.......revealing your true self.

Here is policy at the database.

A Reprint.

I tried to delete data, but it still appears on IMDb. Why?

IMDb aims to be the most comprehensive and reliable source of information on movies, TV and celebrities. We are committed to accuracy and it is our longstanding policy not to alter or remove correct factual information from our records. If you notice an error or omission in our data, please submit a correction or deletion via the "Edit page" button located at the bottom of every name and title page and our staff will be happy to review it and make all applicable changes. We have a guide to adding data here.

However, IMDb will not remove accurate information. If you try to delete an item of data which is accurate, your delete will not be processed. Please be aware that attempts to delete accurate data will count against your overall accuracy rating and may result in all your submissions taking longer to process along with additional proof requirements.





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Wrong, much of the information on my IMDB is NOT factual. I'm not the producer, cinematographer, caterer, grip, location scout, etc. Nor am I the owner of a ridiculously named fake production company that I wrote in one of those videos. Those were joke credits for a joke video.

I bet if I made a video and thanked every single famous director in the credits, you'd think it would be a good idea for IMDb to  include those "thank" credits on those directors' pages. Or if I made a 100 youtube videos and thanked Steven Spielberg in all of them, you'd think it was fine for Spielberg's page to have 100 "thank" credits added, all because it is...drum roll..."factual." As long as it's written in a video, it must be factual! There's clearly no point in discussing this any further with someone who thinks trolling and spamming someone's page with clearly ridiculous credits is the same as legitimate credits. Hopefully in the not-too-distant future IMDb will be considered a joke with its obsession with adding every video they possibly can and another website will take its place whose policies are sane and rational.
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Again, you are showing what you are.
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Yeah, a sane and rational person, unlike you. People like you can only say stuff like "You are showing what you are" because you know I'm right and you have nothing to actually say. You haven't addressed a single thing I've said in any of my posts in a rational way because you know you can't. You shouldn't even reply because you literally have nothing worthy to say.
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What is unbelievable, is you believe what your saying.
Again, you are showing what you are.


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Bobby Hall, it does not look as though anybody will be able to provide any help whatsoever to you, unless you explain in sufficient detail what the problem is.
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Ed Jones, yes, I believe that the joke credits someone added to my page aren't real credits. The fact that you keep saying the same thing over and over shows what you are.

Jeorj, I thought I did explain. I have a bunch of credits on my IMDb page that aren't real. I made several silly youtube videos years ago with fake credits and a fake production company and someone added them to IMDb. IMDb seems to want to add every single piece of information about a video no matter how accurate it is. Just because someone makes a video and lists that they were the director, writer, producer, cinematographer, make-up artist, etc. and puts a fake production company and logo on the video, that doesn't mean it's true.
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They are not joke credits. You made the films. They uploaded accurate information. To claim that they are a joke is irrelevant. They Exist. I can see why they uploaded them however.
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To be fair Ed Jones (XLIX) there are millions of youtube videos that could be added but are not. It was not so long ago that these youtube videos would not have been eligible to be on IMDb until the rules were relaxed and now anything can be added.
There are hundreds of videos in the public domain that can be re-edited and added to IMDb under a different name. Would it be okay for someone to do that and add your name as a 'Thanks' because they gained inspiration from you. Just a thought.
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They're not films. They're short skits made for youtube that have FAKE credits. Why are they FAKE credits? Because I didn't actually do any cinematography, catering, make-up, wardrobe, etc. The person who uploaded the information listed them as "short films." They are not short films. They're scenes that spoofed some existing movies. Would you call a skit in an episode of SNL a film? No, you'd call it part of an episode of a TV show. There really is no point in having every single youtube video listed on IMDb. IMDb should be for movies and TV shows, not youtube videos and 30-second instagram videos. Also, I deleted those youtube videos years ago. No point in having them on IMDb as they serve no purpose.
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Please visit the actor page of this person. This person has these credits that you say "Don't count". And he has "Lots" of them. And they are mostly all spoofs/skits. And lastly I have a page on IMDb, and because of the industry I have been in for 30 years, I have but one credit. A special thanks!!!

His Page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4087886/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1

My page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm8529286/?ref_=nv_sr_2?ref_=nv_sr_2

Mr. etc

Would it be okay for someone to do that and add your name as a 'Thanks' because they gained inspiration from you. Just a thought.

My only credit is for that very reason. So yes I welcome it. And you are crazy to think that those "Thanks" don't happen. They happen a lot. To know that you have inspired someone is absolutely awesome.



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No I'm not crazy, I may be a bit insane but not crazy and I do know that 'Thanks' by the thousands are there and easily added just look at Kickstarter, and at no stage did I say the credits "Don't count".  
What I am saying is the same as a lot of people that since IMDb let the doors open to any video the site has lost a lot of professionalism, who needs a duplicate of youtube.
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Oh and Bob/Rob above has 3. Count em 3 credits of the type referenced. Not "many "as referenced by him. So this matter is done with.
Etc, next time don't ask a question if you are debating or in a courtroom, that you don't already know the answer to.
Your "point" was not a point.
Get better.
Bye
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Who you talking to here Ed Jones (XLIX) ?
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I visited that actor's page. If all those titles are legitimate projects then all the "thanks" makes sense. If someone made a stupid youtube video and thanked him, I wouldn't think he'd want that credit added.

Imagine if someone made a bunch of youtube videos with ridiculous titles like "Big Fat Sexy Nerds Part 1," "Part 2," etc. all the way to 100 and in the credits they thanked you. Would you want 100 "thanks" credits with a title like that? You're fine with the credit that you have probably because the title is a legitimate title.

The videos that I had on youtube were spoofs of Quentin Tarantino movies, and I remember when the person added all this information to IMDb, they also gave story credit to Tarantino because I wrote his name in the credits. Those credits appeared on Tarantino's page but were removed a few days later. Why were they removed if they were accurate? I agree they should've been removed because they're ridiculous, but going by IMDB's policy, they should've remained since they're accurate. So does IMDb change its policies when it has to do with famous people?
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I saw your page Rob. My guy spoofs every major Director/Genre that he can dream up.


etc, your only here to harass me so I need not reply to you further.
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Interesting.
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Ed Jones, who are you referring to when you say Bob/Rob? If you're talking about me, there are quite a few more ridiculous credits than three on my page. Perhaps you're looking at the wrong page as there are many people with my name on IMDb.

How was etc harassing you? All they were saying was that it's dumb that every single youtube video can be on IMDb.
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