I am not sure how often this has occurred but I noticed this weird credit while watching the episode Emancipation Day. In the opening credits, there is a credit for "Bill Peters". The problem with this credit is that "Bill Peters" is the character name not the actor name. I don't generally pay attention to the opening credits for Frankie Drake Mysteries as the cast is given again at the end (in the same order as the beginning credits plus co-stars.) The name appears correctly in the closing credits as Romaine Waite playing Bill Peters.
Is there an attribute needed here as he is credited as Bill Peters in the opening credits. See the attached pictures.
For the end credits below, note that character name is on the left and actor/actress name is on the right. (You can see Kim Robinson is an actress which was also listed on the same opening credit as "Bill Peters".)
Is there an attribute needed here as he is credited as Bill Peters in the opening credits. See the attached pictures.
For the end credits below, note that character name is on the left and actor/actress name is on the right. (You can see Kim Robinson is an actress which was also listed on the same opening credit as "Bill Peters".)
Adrian, Champion
Posted 11 months ago
bderoes, Champion
I thought the rule was the most complete credits list was the one to use, which is probably the end credits here?
Maybe list the exception under the Crazy Credits?
Maybe list the exception under the Crazy Credits?
A Crazy Credit would be on purpose.
Crazy credits Crazy Credits are unusual things shown during a production's credits:
These may be additional scenes, or more often they are funny messages hidden in the credits themselves. This is not the place to record errors in the credits, or unamusing variations over the course of a TV series, or normal information such as company names (unless perhaps the company name is particularly amusing). In many animated movies, there is a list in the credits labeled "Production Babies", which are lists of the first names (only) of the babies born to staff while the film was being made. Production Babies should be added to the crazy credits section. We do not accept "in memory of" (or similar credits) in this section. Verbatim credits should be listed inside quotes, with some context. e.g.:
Crazy credits Crazy Credits are unusual things shown during a production's credits:
These may be additional scenes, or more often they are funny messages hidden in the credits themselves. This is not the place to record errors in the credits, or unamusing variations over the course of a TV series, or normal information such as company names (unless perhaps the company name is particularly amusing). In many animated movies, there is a list in the credits labeled "Production Babies", which are lists of the first names (only) of the babies born to staff while the film was being made. Production Babies should be added to the crazy credits section. We do not accept "in memory of" (or similar credits) in this section. Verbatim credits should be listed inside quotes, with some context. e.g.:
The closing credits include some unusual job titles: "Garett Grant .... Moose wrangler Fred Washington .... Guy who washed the cars"
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Adrian, Champion
There aren't good rules about when the "most complete credits list" disagrees with the other credits list. That's why I'm asking and hope that someone from IMDb answers.
bderoes, Champion
Well, it's on the help page regarding ordering of credits, so it seems like a good way to break this tie.
https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/credit-order/G8QZ9QSY5EVKAPNF?ref_=helpsrall#
https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/credit-order/G8QZ9QSY5EVKAPNF?ref_=helpsrall#
Acting credits are ordered according to the most comprehensive cast list (the one listing the most actors); in most cases, this will be the list appearing in the end credits.
Adrian, Champion
Ordering is not the question. The question is what to do when the credit is completely wrong to begin with. This has nothing at all to do with order but the fact that the show accidently lists a credit for the character and not the actor.
bderoes, Champion
I know the topic is not ordering the credits. I'm suggesting the same criterion can be used in a new situation, and the incorrect opening credits can be ignored.
As I understand your post, the actors already have the correct credits in IMDb.
So I'm not appreciating your concern about the incorrect opening credits.
Are you trying to prevent some future contributor from trying to add the characters as actors in the IMDb list of credits for the episode?
As I understand your post, the actors already have the correct credits in IMDb.
So I'm not appreciating your concern about the incorrect opening credits.
Are you trying to prevent some future contributor from trying to add the characters as actors in the IMDb list of credits for the episode?
Will, Official Rep
We always go by the most complete credit section, therefore the end credits in this case. You can list the information regarding the bad credit in the goofs section though.
I hope this helps.
Thanks,
Will
I hope this helps.
Thanks,
Will
Adrian, Champion
Sorry, will, but this does not help because I know that "we always go by the most complete credit section" is not a true statement. I can think of two examples just off the top of my head where this isn't the case.
First, A Christmas Story's most complete credit section would be the end credits which do not include the Narrator who is credited in the opening credits and the credits are a mash of the opening and closing credits (which are not in the same order).
Second, episodes of Cleverman have opening credits for the main cast but the ending credits are in order of appearance and leave out main characters who do not appear but those opening cast credits were credited as "credit only".
This seems to be a bizarre case where the credit itself is wrong. Someone added an actor named Bill Peters whose only credit was this episode and had no character name. This was obviously wrong, so I deleted it.
I can add the information to goofs or crazy credits but it seems likely that there will be further confusion.
First, A Christmas Story's most complete credit section would be the end credits which do not include the Narrator who is credited in the opening credits and the credits are a mash of the opening and closing credits (which are not in the same order).
Second, episodes of Cleverman have opening credits for the main cast but the ending credits are in order of appearance and leave out main characters who do not appear but those opening cast credits were credited as "credit only".
This seems to be a bizarre case where the credit itself is wrong. Someone added an actor named Bill Peters whose only credit was this episode and had no character name. This was obviously wrong, so I deleted it.
I can add the information to goofs or crazy credits but it seems likely that there will be further confusion.
bderoes, Champion
It's not clear from a single-frame screengrab whether these 2 names appear to be naming the 1 actor whose face appears above them. Are you worried someone will recommend "Bill Peters" (or "Karen Robinson Bill Peters") to a casting director, and therefore the actor shown needs an attribute for search purposes? (Someone not familiar with Western names might not realize how unlikely the dual name is.)
It strikes me that just having the as an attribute on the actor shown, or in the Goofs section, would not prevent some future contributor from adding cast members "Karen Robinson" and "Bill Peters" to the credits (again).
Regarding the 2 counter-examples you cite about cast order, they seem covered by this item in the Help:
https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/credit-order/G8QZ9QSY5EVKAPNF?ref_=helpsrall#
Someone added an actor named Bill Peters whose only credit was this episode and had no character name. This was obviously wrong, so I deleted it.Since you deleted it, you must be talking about an entry in IMDb. Perhaps instead that "actor" should have been tagged as deliberately fictitious, had an explanation added to its attribute on this episode, and blocked by IMDb from receiving legit credits. Same for Karen Robinson?
It strikes me that just having the as an attribute on the actor shown, or in the Goofs section, would not prevent some future contributor from adding cast members "Karen Robinson" and "Bill Peters" to the credits (again).
Regarding the 2 counter-examples you cite about cast order, they seem covered by this item in the Help:
https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/credit-order/G8QZ9QSY5EVKAPNF?ref_=helpsrall#
- In some cases (i.e., TV movies), the cast list is split between the opening credits and end credits; in those cases, the two portions should be treated as one long cast list that happens to be interrupted by the actual movie. This also applies to some movies from the 1950s, where a list of the main cast appeared at the beginning, and was then repeated in reverse order at the end, with pictures, followed by additional cast members.
Adrian, Champion
These are the opening credits that play while the show is running. They have nothing to do with the character that is on the screen.
You can seen in the end credits that Karen Robinson is a correct credit (naming the actress who played Mildred Clark) and that she is followed in the opening credits by "Bill Peters" which is the erroneous credit. You can see that she is also followed in the end credits by Romaine Waite playing Bill Peters.
The problem is that the credit in the opening sequence is just plain wrong. There is no actor named Bill Peters that appears in this episode. There is Romaine Waite playing Bill Peters (and he is a recurring character in the show so I know that the credit has to be wrong.) I don't know if that has happened in other episodes where Waite has occured because I don't alway pay attention to the opening credits for this show because I know the complete list is at the end (and they are always ordered the same with extra co-stars at the end of where the opening credits leave off.) There is no great streaming option that I have seen for this show (at least in the US.)
Also, that item does not cover the two examples I stated as the end credit duplicates parts, but not all, of the opening credits. They aren't split in the sense cited above.
You can seen in the end credits that Karen Robinson is a correct credit (naming the actress who played Mildred Clark) and that she is followed in the opening credits by "Bill Peters" which is the erroneous credit. You can see that she is also followed in the end credits by Romaine Waite playing Bill Peters.
The problem is that the credit in the opening sequence is just plain wrong. There is no actor named Bill Peters that appears in this episode. There is Romaine Waite playing Bill Peters (and he is a recurring character in the show so I know that the credit has to be wrong.) I don't know if that has happened in other episodes where Waite has occured because I don't alway pay attention to the opening credits for this show because I know the complete list is at the end (and they are always ordered the same with extra co-stars at the end of where the opening credits leave off.) There is no great streaming option that I have seen for this show (at least in the US.)
Also, that item does not cover the two examples I stated as the end credit duplicates parts, but not all, of the opening credits. They aren't split in the sense cited above.
bderoes, Champion
Adrian - What problem/future problem are you trying to solve by including (somehow) this erroneous credit somewhere in IMDb? What do think the appropriate solution would be?
Why not just ignore the fact that "Bill Peters" appears among the actual names of cast members as if it was a credit like the other names?
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Adrian, Champion
Ignoring a problem does not actually make the problem go away.
But this one will never go away.
