How was one actress able to erase her entire profile and disappear from IMDb?

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I'm asking this question for the second time, because the first time I did, IMDb “answered” it without actually answering it, and then closed the conversation so that no one else could respond.

IMDb continually tells actors that they can NEVER, under ANY circumstances, remove accurate info, be it their age, their credits, etc. IMDb/Amazon has gone to court to fight for this “policy,” spending untold amounts countering actress Junie Hoang in one lawsuit, and the state of California in another. Again and again, IMDb states, “we will not remove accurate info, period.”

But an actress named Veronica Grey managed to get her entire IMDb profile erased.

Here's her former page: http://www.imdb.com:80/name/nm1227579

Here's the link as seen via the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20100912052444/http://www.imdb.com:80/name/nm1227579

I ask a simple question: How was Ms. Grey able to do this? She is a real person. I knew her credits. I PRODUCED one of them. They are real films. She's also an odd character who has recently been trying to erase her web presence, which is not my concern. What IS my concern is that I have several good friends who have wanted to have info removed from their IMDb page, only to be told “we never do that, ever.”

Well, apparently IMDb DOES do that, and my goal is to find out how Ms. Grey did it, so that I can instruct others how to do it, too.

Before closing the conversation on my first attempt at getting answers, IMDb “employee” “Henry C” left this comment:

“Credits, and entire pages or titles in some cases, are removed when they are determined to be incorrect and/or can't be verified. If the actress in question believes that accurate information was removed in error, she should resubmit it and, upon verification, we will be happy to list all eligible information.”

He is either being evasive on purpose, or he just failed to grasp my question. It is NOT “titles” and “credits” that were removed. Veronica Grey's “titles” and “credits” REMAIN. It is SHE who was removed. Understand? It is HER PROFILE that was erased, NOT the credits. The film I produced in which she starred is still up there. She was simply removed from it when her profile was erased. She had TWENTY acting credits, THREE producer credits, and TWO self credits. Those credits remain, but it is SHE who is gone. It is the PERSON'S profile that was erased, NOT the credits.

Have I explained that well enough? This was a PERSON'S profile, with photos, birthplace, age, IMDb resume, trivia, bio, other works, publicity listings, and TWENTY SEVEN credits, and IMDb allowed her to take everything down. It is not an issue of fake credits, but an issue of a PERSON being able to “disappear” herself from the site.

I don't think I could state this any clearer. But you know what? I'll try.

This is the movie Hey DJ. It is a real film. Here is its IMDb page: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/?ref_=rvi_tt

On Veronica Grey's erased profile, you can see that she portrayed the character “Fysche” in the movie: https://web.archive.org/web/20100912052444/http://www.imdb.com:80/name/nm1227579

On the IMDb page for Hey DJ, you can see THIS PHOTO of the character Fysche. This is Veronica Grey: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm3116538112

And THIS photo: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2177014016

And THIS photo: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2479003904

And the film's poster: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2462226688

Yet the character Fysche is no longer listed in the film's IMDb credits, and Veronica Grey's tags have been removed from the IMDb photos.

The credit is real. The film is real. The poster and photos prove she was in the film. But when IMDb let her erase her profile, her name, character, and tags vanished from the movie's IMDb page.

A PERSON removed herself from IMDb, taking with her not only all the accurate info ABOUT her (age, birthplace, bio), but ALSO, via ripple effect, removing accurate info from the movies and TV shows she was in, because her characters and tags vanished along with her profile.

Is this really so hard to follow?

My sense is that IMDb is not keen on divulging how this was allowed to happen. It would open the door for tons of other people to do the same, let alone the fact that it would contradict statements made under oath by IMDb in the Junie Hoang lawsuit (and I have read the depositions thoroughly) regarding what is and isn't allowed on the site.

I will continue to post this question until I receive a REAL response. Emails sent to IMDb PR chief Emily Glassman have gone unanswered. I hope this time another “employee” reads the question properly and addresses it.

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How was one actress able to erase her entire profile and disappear from IMDb?
I'm asking this question for the second time, because the first time I did, IMDb “answered” it without actually answering it,
and then closed the conversation so that no one else could respond.
But an actress named Veronica Grey managed to get her entire IMDb profile erased.
Here's her former page:
http://www.imdb.com:80/name/nm1227579
Posted May 22 2018
by Dave Stein
Joined on May 8, 2018
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/people/dave_stein_wzq6jx8oasek
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https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/if-you-cant-erase-yourself-from-imdb-how-was-this-person-abl...
If you can't “erase”yourself from IMDb, how was this person able to do it?
Here's her former page:
http://www.imdb.com:80/name/nm1227579
Posted 7 days ago (May 15 2018)
by Dave Stein

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https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/an-old-friend-got-herself-completely-removed-from-imdb-how
An old friend got herself completely removed from IMDb. How?
Here's her former page:
http://www.imdb.com:80/name/nm1227579
Posted 2 weeks ago (May 8 2018)
by Dave Stein

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Accurate credits and information are not removed. Of course, data can always be changed by mistake. If you believe that a credit (or credits) for this person (or anyone else) has been removed in error, please resubmit it and, if we can verify that the credit is valid, we will promptly restore it. If you have already submitted this information, please provide the update reference number of your contribution.
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^^^^ See what I'm dealing with? The same "employee" leaves the same "response" that has nothing to do with my question. And the same acolyte "likes" the response. Is this all nothing but robo-responses? Can anyone at IMDb actually READ and COMPREHEND a question? Is this evasion or stupidity? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF CREDITS. I'm talking about the removal of a PERSON who was able to get her entire IMDb presence deleted. C'mon, IMDb community. Help me get an answer to this. For years, you've been telling actors "you can never delete accurate info...you can never remove yourself from IMDb." Don't you even a LITTLE BIT want to know if IMDb has been deceiving you? Because the site allowed Veronica Grey to delete everything about herself, and they refuse to explain why. C'mon, IMDb "champions," help me get to the bottom of this. 
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That acolyte liking each and single response in a robotic way must be me, sorry. It's not that I'm automatically like everything I read, but practically everything I consider of value while I read through 50-70 notification letters each day. I not always have the ability to answer each and single one nor I should do that (I suppose it will creep the people out). 

I am very much concerned about that exact situation and I'm conducting my own research into her credits and listings. So far these humble attempts included spotting at least five people in "Batman and Robin" who could be her, as well as trying to find some of her actual credited works. As everything on IMDb, things like that take time.  
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You guys are makin' me work for it! Okay, that's cool. I'll break a sweat if it helps assist other actors in defying IMDb's “policy” that apparently isn't policy.

Below are three screenshots from the movie Hey DJ. Screenshot #1 is Veronica Grey's front credit. Screenshot #2 is Veronica Grey's end credit. Screenshot #3 is Veronica Grey IN the film.

Here's a link to Hey DJ – the entire movie – on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suIxn6sXDDs

Here's Hey DJ's IMDb page (IMDb recognizes it as a legit film): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Here's a Youtube link to Veronica Grey's name in the front credits: https://youtu.be/suIxn6sXDDs?t=2m44s

Here's a Youtube link to Veronica Grey's name in the end credits: https://youtu.be/suIxn6sXDDs?t=1h16m17s

Here's a link to one of her scenes: https://youtu.be/suIxn6sXDDs?t=30m46s

Here's a link to her now-removed IMDb page. See how she looks like the woman in the film? That's because she IS the woman in the film: https://web.archive.org/web/20100912052444/http://www.imdb.com:80/name/nm1227579

On the IMDb page for Hey DJ, here's a photo of Veronica Grey IN the film: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm3116538112

And here: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2177014016

And here: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2479003904

And here: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2462226688

EVEN IF THIS IS HER ONLY CREDIT (and it isn't), it is clear that she somehow got IMDb to remove accurate info. And I cannot wait to find out how, because there are hundreds of actors, maybe thousands, who would like to do the same thing (as in, actresses being discriminated against because of their age, like Junie Hoang).

Sure, one of you can “re-add” Veronica from scratch, but that will not explain how she got her original profile liquidated. Her original profile should be restored, no? With her age, birthplace, and bio, right? Because adding her fresh won't solve the mystery of how she got IMDb to disappear her in the first place (and she'd still be disappeared had I not decided to poke my nose into it). So sure, re-add her, but aren't you just a LITTLE curious as to how she got herself removed?

Dave


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Dave: My interpretation of Henry's comments (which is not guaranteed to be correct) is that it is possible that IMDb may have made a mistake by removing Veronica Grey's credits and page.

If a person somehow manages to get all their credits removed from the database (rightly or wrongly), the rest of their page will normally be removed as well.

If you know that some of her credits were indeed valid (such as for the film you produced), you should re-submit those credits and they ought to be accepted back into the database.
I would also recommend that you post here in this thread a screen capture from the movie you produced, showing Veronica's name in the cast listing, so that the proof will be right here.
I hope this helps.
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Thank you for seriously addressing my question. My interest, however, lies not in restoring Veronica Grey to IMDb...she is not me, her career is of no consequence to me, and the film I produced is still on IMDb, so her disappearance does not harm my credits in any way. My interest stems from the fact that I have friends -- actors and actresses -- who have suffered as a result of IMDb's "policy" to never remove accurate info. I also corresponded with Junie Hoang regarding her suit against IMDb/Amazon, and part of the reason IMDb won is that its officials swore in court under oath that accurate info is NEVER removed. Therein lies my interest. If IMDb has been deceiving actors, and if it committed perjury, therein lies my interest. I went above and beyond to show that Grey's images still exist on an IMDb credit (not the one I produced -- I felt it would be more effective to show a film that I was NOT involved with):

This is the movie Hey DJ. It is a real film. Here is its IMDb page: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/?ref_=rvi_tt

On Veronica Grey's erased profile, you can see that she portrayed the character “Fysche” in the movie:https://web.archive.org/web/20100912052444/http://www.imdb.com:80/name/nm1227579

On the IMDb page for Hey DJ, you can see THIS PHOTO of the character Fysche. This is Veronica Grey:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm3116538112

And THIS photo: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2177014016

And THIS photo: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2479003904

And the film's poster: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2462226688

Yet the character Fysche is no longer listed in the film's IMDb credits, and Veronica Grey's tags have been removed from the IMDb photos.

I will happily go ever further and provide more links to prove that Grey a) exists, b) was in the films she claimed to be in, and c) are you really suggesting that a person can fake TWENTY SEVEN credits, and get away with it for YEARS? C'mon. That's unrealistic. Veronica Grey exists, she has videos all over Youtube, and she is in the credits of the films she claims to be in (not counting the ones that are accurately listed as "uncredited"). 
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You guys are makin' me work for it! Okay, that's cool. I'll break a sweat if it helps assist other actors in defying IMDb's “policy” that apparently isn't policy.

Below are three screenshots from the movie Hey DJ. Screenshot #1 is Veronica Grey's front credit. Screenshot #2 is Veronica Grey's end credit. Screenshot #3 is Veronica Grey IN the film.

Here's a link to Hey DJ – the entire movie – on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suIxn6sXDDs

Here's Hey DJ's IMDb page (IMDb recognizes it as a legit film): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Here's a Youtube link to Veronica Grey's name in the front credits: https://youtu.be/suIxn6sXDDs?t=2m44s

Here's a Youtube link to Veronica Grey's name in the end credits: https://youtu.be/suIxn6sXDDs?t=1h16m17s

Here's a link to one of her scenes: https://youtu.be/suIxn6sXDDs?t=30m46s

Here's a link to her now-removed IMDb page. See how she looks like the woman in the film? That's because she IS the woman in the film: https://web.archive.org/web/20100912052444/http://www.imdb.com:80/name/nm1227579

On the IMDb page for Hey DJ, here's a photo of Veronica Grey IN the film: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm3116538112

And here: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2177014016

And here: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2479003904

And here: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322621/mediaviewer/rm2462226688

EVEN IF THIS IS HER ONLY CREDIT (and it isn't), it is clear that she somehow got IMDb to remove accurate info. And I cannot wait to find out how, because there are hundreds of actors, maybe thousands, who would like to do the same thing (as in, actresses being discriminated against because of their age, like Junie Hoang).

Sure, one of you can “re-add” Veronica from scratch, but that will not explain how she got her original profile liquidated. Her original profile should be restored, no? With her age, birthplace, and bio, right? Because adding her fresh won't solve the mystery of how she got IMDb to disappear her in the first place (and she'd still be disappeared had I not decided to poke my nose into it). So sure, re-add her, but aren't you just a LITTLE curious as to how she got herself removed?

Dave





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Giving this a bump as I will do every week until I receive some kind of satisfactory answer. 
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Thank you for the additional information. Our editors will review and update the film's information at the earliest opportunity. If you are aware of any other missing credits, please submit them as well.

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