IMDb needs to stop deadnaming trans people

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IMDb should not put trans people’s old names out there. The site should make an exception for the policy of not removing factual information, since this is extremely disrespectful to all trans people working in the film industry.

Trans people’s deadnames aren’t information that people are entitled to see. It’s equivalent to posting someone’s home address. Just because it’s true, doesn’t mean people should see it. It is information that can and will be used against them. This needs to stop.
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Kati Knitt

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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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Kelly L.

I think the best way for IMDb to handle this issue without giving "special treatment" to transgender people is to start making the "Birth Name" section applicable only in cases of stage names or other pseudonyms and not when one has changed (or plans to change) their name for personal reasons (other than maybe when the name is changed solely because of marriage or divorce).
Duh. That's special treatment for a special class of people. All you did was to try and disguise it and add divorced "Women only" to your "Special Class"

As Rob mentioned.
We are all tired of your ceaseless discussion on this. You have not put any new logical ideas forth in over 50 postings. You are just repeating yourself to the point of no one will want to take you seriously.

Please, all of us are tired of you and Kati.
Let it go
Wait for your appeal to fail.
Go get legislation passed
Hire a lobbyist.
But this is not a chat room.
This thread has turned into one.
Be responsible.
Stop posting here unless you actually have something  N E W  to say.
Thanks

Ed
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The only reason I mentioned the maiden/married name "exception" is because that's pretty routine and there is seldom any "harm" in posting that information (unlike some other personal-reason name changes).

Sorry about repeating myself - it's mainly because when other people (usually trans people protesting the policy) revived the discussion I've replied to their posts and maybe mentioned a few new points (even if the content is similar to previous posts).
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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Grasping at Straws method. Explain it anyway in some convoluted manor.
 You are repeating yourself.
Please no more repeated rebuttals. No more repeated reasons. Just let this drop.
IMDb has read this. NO ONE is saying anything NEW.
Let this go.
You all have made your point.
Please stop this.
Thanks
Cheers

Ed
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Ed, it seems that you have a hard time with this discussion. You can unfollow it if you wish. Yes, trans and LGBTQ+ organizations, including GLAAD, are already getting involved. There's no need to hire a lobbyist. Yes, those organizations are signing on to a lawsuit (attached to a law that was already passed).

It should be clear to you by now that we're not going to let this go.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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Yes but if you continue to repeat yourself
It is SPAM
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Daniele Iannarelli

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...and a load of nonsense.
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J.

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If IMDb does what the activists want, will they praise the database and leave it alone, or will they make more demands?
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Daniele Iannarelli

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Never give in to bullying activists! You’ll only regret it. Appeasing these people is to allow them carte blanche to infiltrate and take over!
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Isn’t this thread basically about: can IMDb list the BIRTH NAME of a person?


”...the name that you were given at birth, when this is different to your current or usual name.”


I find it confusing that we’re talking about sex and gender. It is about the birth name. Or, at least it should be. Can IMDb (or other sites) list the name Marion Mitchell Morrison, or should it just use John Wayne?
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Hi, Eboy. No. This thread is not only or basically about whether or not IMDb can list the birth name of a person. The activists here want for "as" attributes to be hidden as well, or for pages to be split across separate names belonging to the same identity; which in either case would mitigate unwanted items in the "alternate names" feature.

You may not have been following along since the beginning, so this is confusing to you. The activists claim that the circumstances of the existing system (a longstanding system) does not harm cisgender folks but does harm transgender folks, so that is why "gender" keeps coming into the dialog. It's not a thing between male and female exactly, but between cisgender and transgender, and thus between...
  • cisgender males ("normal" males) and transgender females (having XY chromosome pair but identifying as female);
  • cisgender females ("normal" females) and transgender males (having XX chromosome pair but identifying as male).
Am I causing further confusion? I hope not. The overarching territory of the topic is somewhat alien to traditional thinking. There is also an apparent need to explain the vocabulary of all this, since a lot of cisgender people apparently do not know that the word "cisgender" refers exactly to them.
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Jeorj Euler

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I don't believe the activists care to insist that John Wayne not be "deadnamed". He has been deceased a long time, for one. There is a strong chance that deceased persons and historical figures are fair game for all kinds of factual exposure. He lived a cisgender life, as well. (I doubt his childhood fit the hypothetical inverse scenario I presented earlier.) The activists have been rather explicit that they do not want for transgender people to be "deadnamed".
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My point was that essensially we’re talking about the birth name? No? Whether it’s John Wayne’s birth name (which was just a random example obviously) or the birth name of a transgender person, the basic idea is the same: one birth name was given/recorded, but for some reason or another the person wanted to change his/her name somewhere along the line.

Long story short: I would assume that the birth names can be listed.

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