IMDB refuses to take down film that never got made

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Hi everyone,

I have a feature film credit on my IMDB page, but unfortunately that film doesn't exist. We did shoot a part of the film, but because it was an indy amateur production, it never got edited nor released.

On IMDB, it says the film was released in 2017. This is simply not true. The film got cancelled and never came out.

IMDB, for some reason, refuses to take the film down. I've asked them multiple times how I can prove this film never got made, but they never give me a reason - they just reply with a standard generic message that makes me doubt they even read my submission.

Not sure what I can do at this point.

Here is a link to the title on IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6278268/reference
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Hi, Nathan Altai.

I believe that in 2016-2017 there were more evidences related to this movie, which could allow to think the release happened at Bio Mors:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6278268/releaseinfo
But it is also possible those data were mistaken, no matter provided intentionally or not.

If you mean that release was not in 2917 but 2016, in its turn, this does not mean "never came out".

Anyway, please could you be more persuasive against the existing sources (not all of them for now):

(A)
The past event: https://www.facebook.com/pg/filmtalentnord/events/?ref=page_internal that seems took place on January 23, 2016: https://www.facebook.com/events/899274450155995/ ;

(B) The article #40 in "Magasinet Mors" nr. 8 / 2016:
https://issuu.com/bitschandpieces/docs/omagasin8_online
full quoted below:
FILMTALENTER BOLTRER SIG PÅ MORS
FILMTALENT NORD TILTRÆKKER UNGE FRA HELE NORD- OG MIDTJYLLAND
Filmholdet holder briefing i Nationalpark Thy
Filmoptagelser til filmen “Mandom på afveje”.
Unge filmtalenter fra 15-25 år puster i øjeblikket ud oven på en heftig sommer med mange og lange optagedage fyldt med udfordringer og sjove oplevelser. De er alle en del af det nye talentprojekt på Mors: Filmtalent Nord, der har til formål at udnytte det store potentiale, der findes blandt Nordjyllands unge, udvikle dem og skabe et netværk, de kan bruge som springbræt til at komme videre med deres filminteresse. ”Vi er rigtig stolte over, at vi med et projekt som Filmtalent Nord, kan tiltrække deltagere til Mors fra hele Nord- og Midtjylland, det siger lidt om projektets indhold og kvalitet, når unge gider pendle fra Aalborg til Mors,” fortæller initiativtager Kasper Vegeberg. Talenthold for morsingboer Filmtalenterne er det sidste år blevet udfordret og afprøvet inden for forskellige genrer, og undervist af nogle af filmbranchens dygtigste aktører, bl.a. instruktør Christina Rosendahl, den lokale skuespillerinde Sonja Suhl og stuntmanden Klaus Hjuler. Overalt på Mors, har deltagerne fra Filmtalent Nord mødt velvilje og hjælpsomhed, for at projektet skulle lykkes og blive en succes. Lokale butikker, virksomheder og private personer har alle hjulpet og støttet produktionen.
Instruktør Roalexen David holder øje med optagelserne, mens cheffotograf William Frank Carstens filmer.
Manddom på afveje De unge filmtalenter har selv stået for det hele, fra udarbejdelse af manuskriptet, filme og klippe den endelige film. Filmens cheffotograf, 17-årige Jenny Timmers fra Mors, fortæller om projektet, at det har været super fedt at være med og møde de andre deltagere, som hun er meget sammen med. Deres afgangsprojekt ’Manddom på Afveje’, handler om den ældre småracistiske bankdirektør John, hvis hverdag er blevet grå og triviel. En dag siger konen stop og vil skilles, inden hun keder sig ihjel. Det kaster John ud i en livskrise og for at udfordre og realisere sig selv, vælger han at tage på en tre dages overlevelsestur i Nationalpark Thy. Ved et uheld kommer John og den småkriminelle indvandrer Samir væk fra resten af gruppen, de er nu overladt til hinandens selskab i Nationalparkens vildnis. Ved fælles hjælp må de kæmpe sig gennem det rå landskab og overvinde de forhindringer, de møder undervejs. ”Det har været en stor oplevelse for alle deltagerne at skabe en film fra bunden, hvor de selv havde ansvaret for det hele”, siger Jenny Timmers. Hun forklarer, at hun var meget nervøs, da de startede med at filme og bange for at lave fejl, men at det var en vildt stor
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Hi Mathe,

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate you finding all these sources.

A) The facebook event you linked is titled "Mød Stanley Kubrick's Producer", which translates to "Meet Stanley Kubrick's Producer". If you click on the event, nowhere is the film "Manddom på Afveje" actually mentioned. I have no idea how that event is related to this film.

B) I hope it's alright I don't translate the whole article, as its quite long - but I believe a Google Translate will give you the gist of it. That article mentions that young filmmakers are currently making a feature film. All that is true, we were making a film at that point, but it never mentions the film got released. It never even mentions a release date, just that it is currently in production. So yes, everything in that article is true, and it doesn't mention a release at all.

I hope that answers your questions. Please let me know if you would like any further proof, either from me or the producers.

Once again, I really appreciate you actually trying to help, thanks! 
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Nathan, thank you for the explanation.
I think the further information will be more helpful for you.

There are some rare cases when movies have the status "abandoned" in IMDb. That means the product has passed, at least, the status of filming (see the guidelines: https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/production-status/GBBBPNJHFZZKY7W9).

Also, there may be pros and cons for keeping them in a base. Among the "pros", a filmed product may finish the rest of steps at any moment, and when such happens we have the data accumulated during all the production steps.

I can not presume if such policy is going to be changed or not by IMDb, but for now I see, they may change the status of Manddom På Afveje to "abandoned" or "post-production", or leave as it is. It would be really great to have the status explained by the producers, because you can be mistaken as to their future plans.
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Hi Mathe,

Thanks for the explanation.

I've told IMDB that the producers would be happy to tell them the film is cancelled, but they were not interested - at least they didn't want any comments from the producers.

The producer is one of my close friends, and there are absolutely no plans for this film to be released. How can he contact IMDB to confirm this?

We all wanted the film to happen but it didn't. Now it's just nuisance for everyone involved to have it on IMDb, as we often get asked about it in castings/job interviews, and "IMDb won't take it down" is not the best excuse, as you can imagine.

Thanks again for your help.
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Nathan, there are thousands of unfinished titles on IMDb. They remain for one and only one reason. They are "fact". And as such shall never be removed.

From IMDb's help pages

IMDb aims to be the most comprehensive and reliable source of information on movies, TV and celebrities. We are committed to accuracy and it is our longstanding policy not to alter or remove correct  >>>>>> factual  <<<<<<< information from our records.
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It does not matter that it was never finished. It is a fact that an attempt was made.
Fact.
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Nathan

When producers or other people involved into production want to promote a product that is not released yet, expecting for a greater success, IMDb is letting them to contribute such data into the base. Then such product, that was not completely verified because not released, may take years of other people's lives to check and re-check against the factual data...

In view of the above, "Just take it off without evidence, for now we are not interested to produce further" -- this is not the best excuse as well :)))
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This advice will result in another rejected submission.

From IMDb help pages.

IMDb will not remove accurate information. If you try to delete an item of data which is accurate, your delete will not be processed. Please be aware that attempts to delete accurate data will count against your overall accuracy rating and may result in all your submissions taking longer to process along with additional proof requirements.

MtP, Stop giving advice on how to cheat the system, or is against IMDb policy.
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Mathe, I completely agree, you are right. This film was attempted by 15-18 year olds and not everything was thought through when submitting to IMDb.

Ed Jones, I appreciate IMDb is trying to stay factual. Can you just explain to me how it's' 'factual' to have the film listed as a 2017 release, when in fact it never was released? I'm not trying to alter true data. In this case, what is stated on IMDb is in fact, not true
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Submit a date correction. Not a title deletion.
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Self explanatory. You do this a lot.
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How can I correct the date when it's never been released, or never is going to be released? It seems like you think I'm trying to game the system somehow... All I want is to remove incorrect data.
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You need to un-prove that release. Proof. That is in most cases, impossible.
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Nathan
could you please proceed with comments to the above post where it was intended for? Please.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

I wait for your explanation on your words said about me in this current topic.
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I see a trailer for 2016.
Change the date to that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EVFUDXDMqI



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Fact.
Attempt to make a movie.
Fact.
You and your friends submit said title.
Fact.
You have a Facebook Page.
Fact.
You release a Trailer on Aug 30, 2016.
As this is all that is released, you can argue that the release date be removed or that the trailer date be the official date.
You cannot ask for a title deletion, because that trailer exists. If you remove the trailer, that will not alter the fact that IT EXISTED. "FACT"


Incorrect Fact.
Release Date.
So submit a release date correction or not.

MtP...........Explanation already given.
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Ed Jones (XLIX)
you are an experienced user of GS, and you know for sure that the posts here may be commented separately. Do not mix the possible answers to Nathan Altai's question under this post. Under this post you may prove to be or not to be a windbag. Your unsaid explanations similar to "self-explanatory" prove for the latter, because it's not the first time and is closer to a habit.

I wait for your detailed explanation. Last time it was a month and no result, now you have an hour as a native English speaker.
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Improper to address one in such a manor.
You have violated G.S. Code of conduct twice here.
You have called me names twice.
And given an ultimatum?
Please cease.
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Now MtP.
Your referenced "Abandoned" and cited this topic in the same sentence. Nowhere is abandoned in this topic. You have given misleading information.
https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/production-status/GBBBPNJHFZZKY7W9#



Your quotes from above.

There are some rare cases when movies have the status "abandoned" in IMDb. That means the product has passed, at least, the status of filming (see the guidelines:


can not presume if such policy is going to be changed or not by IMDb, but for now I see, they may change the status of Manddom På Afveje to "abandoned"
There is no such thing as "ABANDONED" Status.
Read below. It's not there.
Your explanation?


Production status Quick links:



Production comments can be helpful to provide further information relating to a titles status. The field is often left empty.

Note: Any text entered in the comment field will display on the title's IMDbPro page. These notes cannot be removed.



The available statuses for in-production listings are:

Announced

The project has received a high profile announcement in one or more leading industry press outlets (such as Variety, Deadline and Entertainment Weekly), but top-level talent is still being recruited, or the initial script is still being written. Announcements via social media or local press do not count. Please supply the link to the announcement in the comment field of your submission.

Pre-production

The project is financed, locations are being scouted, people are being hired and production is imminent with a fairly firm start date for filming.

Filming

Principal photography is in progress.

Post-production

Principal photography is complete, but there is not yet a finished print; editing, effects, scoring, etc. are in progress.

Completed

There is a final print, but it has not yet been screened. For most smaller titles, this is the first stage where we will accept them.

Released

The film has screened to the public. This status is generally derived automatically from the release/screening date that should be added to that section.


For a project that is in-development, the available statuses are: Pitch

An idea for an upcoming project that has been presented and sold to a production company, which agrees to develop it.

Optioned Property

A piece of literary work (book, short story, play, news article, etc.) where the exclusive rights to purchase the property are currently held by a production entity for consideration to develop into a feature length film or television project for a defined period of time.

Treatment/Outline

An idea or abridged script; longer than a synopsis containing a rough outline such as a summary of each major scene and descriptions of the significant characters in the project. While a complete script is around 100 pages, a treatment is closer to 10.

Script

Completed, copy written manuscript, which has been picked up by a production entity for development. A script may take the form of a screenplay, shooting script, lined script, continuity script, or a spec script.

Turnaround

A project, which was previously picked up by a production entity, but has been dropped and is currently in a state of limbo allowing the producers to set up the project with another studio.

Development Unknown

The project is in some form of development stage that is completely unknown to you.


How to update a titles Production Status

To update your production status, please follow these simple instructions:

1) Locate the title on IMDb (for films in active production) or IMDbPro.com (if the project is still in development).

2) Click on the "Edit Page" button on the bottom of its title page.

3) Select the "Add item" field next to "Production / Development Status" in the "Other Data" section and click on "Continue"

4) Choose the title's current status (i.e. "pre-production", "filming", etc.) from the drop down menu.

5) If the status is the same, then submit the same status again. This lets us know that the project has not been abandoned. You can also add a comment with more information, but please be aware that the comment will be displayed on the title's page. Click on "Check these updates"

6) Submit the data by clicking on 'Submit these updates'.


For more details about our processing times, please see this page and volume of items pending processing by data type, see here.

Tracking your contribution

You can now track the status of your Production Status submission and if it has not been approved, we'll tell you the reason why.

If you are using the mobile apps, mobile website or desktop website you can access this feature via the 'Track your contribution' button, which has been added to the submission email receipt. Additionally, if you are using the desktop website, you can also use the 'Track Contribution' button now found in your contribution history page.

Clicking this button will take you to IMDb Contributor, our new contribution specific site where you will be shown the status of your request.







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Now Ed Jones (XLIX), please stop addressing me as "MtP" (this may be more for buddies).

First. 
My explanation:
"There are some rare cases when movies have the status "abandoned" in IMDb. That means the product has passed, at least, the status of filming (see the guidelines: https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/production-status/GBBBPNJHFZZKY7W9#)"

I confirm there are movies having the status "abandoned" in IMDb. 
Then further link is explaining not the status "abandoned" but the status "Filming" -- this is obvious if you follow the punctuation marks.

Second (and important).
You are trying to prove that I "have given misleading information" to Nathan Altai (that is also not true in view of the above).
But you've blamed me that I am "giving advice on how to cheat the system, or is against IMDb policy." -- THIS must be explained.
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No
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30 minutes passed
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More than 1 hour has passed. Ed Jones (XLIX) keeps not explaing his own words about me "giving advice on how to cheat the system, or is against IMDb policy."

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MtP
If you had taken the time to find policy...............Hmmm
If you'll notice this is not considered a "Status"

Because of the released trailer, his title probably wont qualify. That is why he has already been turned down.

And none of this qualifies because it is not "In Development". It is released.

Here it is

In Development - Title Removal Criteria

Please know that not all in-development listings on IMDbPro last forever. While many titles eventually get produced, some titles are removed from the site for various reasons. Below are the following reasons why in-development titles are eligible for removal from the site:

A request from the project's original submitter or a published news article states that the title is dead and no longer a possibility. The title's status is inactive/unknown over an extended period of time (approximately 5+ years for feature films, 1-2+ years for other listings) and its MOVIEmeter ranking is not within the Top 100K titles. These conditions indicate that a title is inactive and is of little or no interest to IMDbPro subscribers. Any useful or pertinent data (writer, producer, production company, plot etc.) is no longer listed on its page. A title receives data additions that are false, intentionally misleading or malicious. These violations include: Adding unverified credits of high-ranking STARmeter names, which only appear to boost the title's legitimacy or visibility on the site, i.e. resume inflation. Adding an unverified company or studio to the title, which is not involved with the project and only appears to boost its legitimacy or visibility on the site. Submitting false screening dates to film festivals such as Sundance, Cannes, Berlin, Toronto, Venice, etc.

If a submitter's in-development title is removed for violating any of the aforementioned policies, any and all remaining unreleased titles in their filmography or their company's filmography also run the risk of being removed until they are completed and their official release is verified.


You can update your existing project by clicking on the "edit" or "update" button on its title page. If no updates are made to a project after a certain period of time, then the title may be considered for deletion.




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You keep trying to convince Nathan Altai that my information was misleading. Good luck in this, but people have their own heads and brains. 

But you totally failed to explain a word of yours when blaming other people here.

It is you.
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No sir, I have not.
Please do better in the future.
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Thank you for trying to help other users, but both of you please do not do this on other people's threads, otherwise we will have to take action against your accounts. Please see the contributors' charter https://contribute.imdb.com/charter
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Nathan Altai, if the movie was fully filmed and it seems that it was, it is elgible on IMDb. Even if production would have ceased midway, some confirmed filmed footage would have allowed it to stay on IMDb with "(unfinished)" specified on director's listings and/or abandoned as a production status. 

From what I was able to scavenge on the Internet it seems that movie actually was released and shown on Kulturmødet Mors festival in 2017, as that post on Facebook suggests. It also says that film was fully completed in 2017, including fully finished edit. 
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Dear Nikolay,

I appreciate you showing me that post. Copy pasted from it:

"Nu er det ved at være en måned siden vi blev færdige med optagelserne til Manddom På Afveje. Kulturmødet på Mors er netop overstået, her viste vi lidt materiale fra filmen, og hvad der skete bagom kameraet under optagelserne. 

Vi vil også meget gerne vise alle vores følgere lidt om, hvad de kan forvente fra filmen. Så her løftes sløret nu for den første teaser til Manddom På Afveje.

Nyd den, elsk den og del den med alle dine venner!"

To translate, this essentially says: "it has been a month since filming for Manddom på Afveje has finished. The culture meeting at Mors is just over, where we showed SOME material from the film, and what happened behind the scenes. We also want to show the first trailer for the film". 

All of the above is true, I'm not denying that. However, after the trailer, nothing happened. The film was never finished, and we never heard more about it. I have never seen any other footage besides the trailer from the film. It never got released. Even at the culture meeting in Mors, what they showed was a bunch of interviews with the producers and ME, the actor, and the trailer. Thats it. 

I honestly wish it did get released, because I wanted this film to happen and succeed. But there has never been any more footage from the film than the trailer. The Facebook event you mentioned never mentions a full release - because there was none. 

Would it be more proof if I made the producer comment here?
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Nathan Altai, I don't think producer commenting will change the fact that film, in one form or another, exists. Release date might likely be deleted, however all of the links simply prove that the filming was finished. At that stage deleting the title seems very unlikely. 
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Nikolay, in this case, I could simply shoot a "trailer" and post a full feature film credit on IMDB? Does that not seem pretty dishonest? That is essentially what this film is. I'm just not sure how IMDB doesn't want more proof than a trailer (which anybody can film) to have a feature film on their site. 
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Nathan Altai, well no. Because someone will dig up that your trailer is a short film and will further recalibrate it. It will still remain on IMDb and if you've released a fake trailer... Well, it's an established short film genre, which also turns up in feature films from time to time.  

That's why some major movies releases are kept entirely in secret: if the movie was announced and filmed, but is highly unlikely to be released or production was ceased mid-filming, we get cases like Gore: it was completed but will likely not be released in years or even decades. 

Overall IMDb has 76 titles using the keyword "unreleased film" alone. Some of those eventually were made available through bootlegs. Some still haven't seen the light of day. Some were eventually released after years of tampering. 
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IMDb official staff should intervene so that the thread doesn't get out of hand. Nathan’s attitude has been pretty mature and respectful, while some others haven’t acted that way.


If a film isn’t completed and is never released, it should be eligible for deletion. Teasers, trailers or random segments shown somewhere doesn’t really mean anything - the film has to be finished in some form and released somewhere.


If what Nikolay above says is true, then the case is probably different and the film is elgible on IMDb.
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As usual you did not read what Nikolay said.
From what I was able to scavenge on the Internet it seems that movie actually was released and shown on Kulturmødet Mors festival in 2017
It is released.
I found a trailer.
IMDb has already denied it.
And I am direct. Rude is your interpretation.
Please do not call people names E-Boy
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Hi all,

I've temporarily removed this title page while we confirm if it's eligible for a page listing, the update should appear online shortly.

Please remember, if the "first edition" of the title was displayed to the public then this will be eligible for a title page on IMDb as we reflect a titles first public release - even if subsequently followed by by another 'full' edit. 

Thanks for all your comments. 

Joel
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Hi Joel,

Thanks for your help, much appreciated.

If you need any info from me or the producers, please feel free to ask.

Best,
Nathan