Today we are happy to announce the release of the Top 250 TV (beta) list on IMDb! Similar to the Top 250 Movies list, the Top 250 TV (beta) list ranks TV shows as rated by regular users. Check out the list, vote on your favorites, and let us know what you think of the release. The list can be seen here on your desktop: http://www.imdb.com/chart/toptv , and under the 'TV' menu on IMDb apps and mobile browsers.
Thanks, and we hope you enjoy the new list!
Thanks, and we hope you enjoy the new list!
Posted 5 years ago
It's odd that Fraiser, the top Emmy winner of all time, isn't on here anywhere.
bluesmanSF, Champion
It shows an 8.0 score and the lowest on the current list is 8.3. It probably (since the list goes by "regular" users and we don't know what makes one) doesn't have a high enough rating. The list is fluid and changes as ratings by users changes so being so close it could end up on the list at some point.
So, not really odd if it's rating is lower than the lowest on the list.
So, not really odd if it's rating is lower than the lowest on the list.
I am glad to see a lot of good shows on this list plus it gives me more to add to my "gonna watch" list but I am surprisingly disappointed not to see Doc Martin on this list.It is the best show ever!
bluesmanSF, Champion
I enjoyed it too but don't think everyone would like it as much as I did.
It has enough votes to make the list and a borderline rating good enough. So I assume "As voted by regular IMDb users" is the issue and that going by "regular" users votes, that it's combined rating is a bit lower. Still, it's borderline and could make the list over time based on its rating and the ratings of those just above it. This is not a one-time list but one that is fluid and changes as votes change, get added, etc.
It has enough votes to make the list and a borderline rating good enough. So I assume "As voted by regular IMDb users" is the issue and that going by "regular" users votes, that it's combined rating is a bit lower. Still, it's borderline and could make the list over time based on its rating and the ratings of those just above it. This is not a one-time list but one that is fluid and changes as votes change, get added, etc.
The Orginals got 8.5 on imdb with a number of 57323 vote...so,why the originals isnt in this list???
bluesmanSF, Champion
The list goes by votes from "Regular IMDb Users" but doesn't tell us what makes one a "regular." So presumably it's not included because many of the high votes were not made by regulars (maybe one-off votes from new accounts which could be attributed to ballot stuffing attempts???).
I applaud the IMDb's efforts in creating such a list in the first place, and it has sparked some emotions that are simply beyond the pale to say the least (possibly the intent in the second place), but the list is only as good as the "Regular IMDb Users' Ranking System is at actual doing the ranking. Not very good really for creating a list. So I think all will agree, back to the drawing board would be the order of the day.
In all fairness the "Planet Earth" should be ranked #1, and all others
ranked at #2, as all the rest are but a small part of the Planet. In
fact it should be ranked number #1 based on merit alone.
The IMDb made a couple of errors in it's listing, the weekly series had 14 Episodes not 11, and the DVD Cover that accompanies the listing is Discover Channel's when clearly it was produced by the BBC. David Attenborough would be turning over in his grave right now if he had passed away, but he is happily still alive and kicking.
The IMDb made a couple of errors in it's listing, the weekly series had 14 Episodes not 11, and the DVD Cover that accompanies the listing is Discover Channel's when clearly it was produced by the BBC. David Attenborough would be turning over in his grave right now if he had passed away, but he is happily still alive and kicking.
you should put Documentary movies in the Top-250 Movies as you put the documentary series in the TV-List.
Dibyayan Chakravorty, Champion
I completely agree with this. Documentary films should be placed at IMDb Top 250 Movie list.
Dibyayan Chakravorty, Champion
it is a great idea, this was really necessary, but please don't increase the vote limit it is fine this way..
With all the respect to all who wants an increase in votes limit, i don't think TV has that much regular voters, if minimum votes limit is increased for example to 25000, many good productions which deserved its place in top 250 will be out of the list. for example "Samurai Champloo","Doctor Who (1963–1989)","Red Dwarf"...
Actually i wonder if vote limit is increased to 25000, will there be enough (250) title to list?
With all the respect to all who wants an increase in votes limit, i don't think TV has that much regular voters, if minimum votes limit is increased for example to 25000, many good productions which deserved its place in top 250 will be out of the list. for example "Samurai Champloo","Doctor Who (1963–1989)","Red Dwarf"...
Actually i wonder if vote limit is increased to 25000, will there be enough (250) title to list?
Dibyayan Chakravorty, Champion
Not a good idea. In that case many classic old TV Series won't qualify for Top 250. If you sort your above mentioned list date wise, you can find only 7 TV Series which were released before 1980, whereas in the original Top 250 list there are 19 TV Series which are of before 1980.
hey RamuelSpirit, pls, look at the 12th title (Leyla ile Mecnun) in the list u shared, can u say to me it isn't overrated? does it really deserves to be 12th? I can say it doesn't (i watched it and loved it but i know it is not that good..) This is why it should stay with regular voters. because sometimes people who don't use imdb much, can affect the ratings badly.
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There is an error in the form of calculation. Top 250 TV should not be this way. The simplest example of; While Fringe (200.) , The World at War (9.)... Really IMBb?? Not a fair ranking. Please fix it.
bluesmanSF, Champion
The list is based on ratings from site "regular" users. Rankings are set by automation and can/will change as ratings do. It obviously won't match your favorites and it's not meant to. It simply shows how users have rated the titles. There is nothing to "fix."
Series, unlike the movie rankings and it is necessary to change the formula for series. This project would be useless if the ranking doesnt change besides current ranking doesnt like a lot of people. I think, you understand what I mean.
bluesmanSF, Champion
Sorry. I don't have a clue what you mean.
If a list goes by the votes of users, that means "a lot of people" like it. Just because it doesn't suit your taste doesn't mean the system should change.
If a list goes by the votes of users, that means "a lot of people" like it. Just because it doesn't suit your taste doesn't mean the system should change.
I think this list is great. I've been waiting for it for a long time. :)
The limit of having at least 5k votes is ok, even though I believe slightly higher (10k) might be a bit better. I believe that TV shows in general have fewer votes than movies, therefore the limit should be below the 25k from the Top 250 Movies list.
I would however not include documentaries. After all, there are none in the Top 250 Movies either. Maybe a separate list of the Top 250 Documentaries including both movies and TV shows would be nice.
The limit of having at least 5k votes is ok, even though I believe slightly higher (10k) might be a bit better. I believe that TV shows in general have fewer votes than movies, therefore the limit should be below the 25k from the Top 250 Movies list.
I would however not include documentaries. After all, there are none in the Top 250 Movies either. Maybe a separate list of the Top 250 Documentaries including both movies and TV shows would be nice.
bluesmanSF, Champion
Ramuel, You can create that on your own with advanced search. There is no need for a top 250 for everything. A documentary series is still a series. A documentary film is still a film. What's next? One for comedy, one for drama? All you've done is criticise and now you want to replicate the list for separate genre's?
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You can never mix the rating of movies with anything else. Have you not figured it out yet. TV Shows and Documentaries are rated totally different by users than rating the movie genre. A rating of 7.3 - 7.6 could easily be Oscar material, while the same rating for Doc or a TV Series could be considered horrible. For some strange reason movies are rated much more critically by users, because if a user likes at TV Show or Documentary they tend to press 10 and be done with it. I would say a rating of 2.0 or more separates the movies from the Docs & TV Shows, where the Docs & TV Shows seem to be rated similarly. They have got it right, except they seem to have excluded thousands of Docs & TV Series for some third or fourth criteria that has yet to be explained. They need to work on just getting the Docs & TV Shows correct first. If they do that, then as I said, they got it right.
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Documentaries should be excluded, like they are in the film 250. Variety shows, quiz shows, news shows should definitely be excluded, for instance John Oliver and QI, they feel completely out of place here (And I love both those shows).
5000 seems like a good minimum votes number for now. Hopefully this list will encourage more people to vote on TV shows. If a show isn't popular in the US/UK it basically has no chance making 5000 votes as it is, let alone upping it to 25,000 (for instance El Chavo Del 8, a giant of the Hispanic world only has ~3600 votes). An exception is Leyla ile Mecnun which has clearly been vote stuffed, which your algorithm seems to have picked up on given how low it is on the list compared to its rating.
5000 seems like a good minimum votes number for now. Hopefully this list will encourage more people to vote on TV shows. If a show isn't popular in the US/UK it basically has no chance making 5000 votes as it is, let alone upping it to 25,000 (for instance El Chavo Del 8, a giant of the Hispanic world only has ~3600 votes). An exception is Leyla ile Mecnun which has clearly been vote stuffed, which your algorithm seems to have picked up on given how low it is on the list compared to its rating.
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... Hopefully this list will encourage more people to vote on TV shows. If a show isn't popular in the US/UK it basically has no chance making 5000 votes as it is ....Another point: Some great old shows that were justifiably popular long ago are never gonna get their fair share of votes on IMDb. I mentioned a once-famous, excellent, groundbreaking and influential US show from the early '60s that hasn't had a DVD release and is largely neglected now. It has how many votes on IMDb? 232. That is pathetic.
Obviously, voting is not an optimal way to measure relative quality.
(How should quality be measured? That is an interesting question.)
I've said before that "no rational person" should care about IMDb user ratings. With that attitude, I probably shouldn't even be posting here. I'm not a friend.
Dan Dassow, Champion
@Nobody: A recognized problem with both the IMDb Top 250 is that more recent films generally receive more votes than older films. The same problem is present with the IMDb Top 250 TV list. Another problem is that voters are predominately males Aged 18-29. Classic film channels such as TCM have mitigated the effect of recent films. I'm hoping that classic television cable channels may help bring attention to older shows. Regardless, people should heed the caveat that both lists are based on the ratings of regular users.
@Yann: Thank you for the reference to the article. The basic technique used by the authors of the article has been used to determine the importance of academic research. It is also very similar to the Page Rank methodology that Google uses for search results. The results summarized in the article sound promising.
@Yann: Thank you for the reference to the article. The basic technique used by the authors of the article has been used to determine the importance of academic research. It is also very similar to the Page Rank methodology that Google uses for search results. The results summarized in the article sound promising.
Dan Dassow, Champion
Yann,
Thank you again for posting the link to the article:
Cross-evaluation of metrics to estimate the significance of creative works http://www.pnas.org/content/112/5/1281.full
www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2015/01/15/1412198112.DCSupplemental/pnas.201412198SI.pdf#nameddest=ST3
I created an IMDb List based on:
Table S3. Films with most long-gap citations
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls079013464/?publish=save
The methodology discussed in the paper is very useful for films, since IMDb has a significant amount of documented connections between films. It would be interesting to determine whether there are sufficient number of connections between television programs for the methodology to work.
I plan to contact the authors of the paper regarding the applicability of their methodology to television programs.
Thank you again for posting the link to the article:
Cross-evaluation of metrics to estimate the significance of creative works http://www.pnas.org/content/112/5/1281.full
www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2015/01/15/1412198112.DCSupplemental/pnas.201412198SI.pdf#nameddest=ST3
I created an IMDb List based on:
Table S3. Films with most long-gap citations
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls079013464/?publish=save
The methodology discussed in the paper is very useful for films, since IMDb has a significant amount of documented connections between films. It would be interesting to determine whether there are sufficient number of connections between television programs for the methodology to work.
I plan to contact the authors of the paper regarding the applicability of their methodology to television programs.
AWESOME.
Thank you so much for following up on this!
Thank you so much for following up on this!
Kardes Payi (2014–2015) this tv series coming Top 250 TV. Very soon it will be 5,000 votes. Add the poster this tv series. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3671754
Poster Link: http://i.imgur.com/KI44s8E.jpg
Poster Link: http://i.imgur.com/KI44s8E.jpg
OUCH then it's impossible lol.
Daniel Chung
Think of it this way: an 8.6 would still crack the top 30 on the top movies list. Because so many TV series are rated so highly, what may look like a lot of separation simply isn't the case. IMO, once you're reaching that tier of ratings, it's more important to recognize that distinction of "this is really, really good TV vs all the other TV out there" than to argue how it ranks among the various other top series.
As for historical significance, most people don't consider that when they rate something. By your rationale I should be rating a series or movie lower if it bankrupted a production company or studio. I'm not so sure that's appropriate. You can still recognize how something shaped the film/TV industry, popular culture, politics/history, or hell, even started or stopped a war without having that play a role in how much you liked it. You argue that legacy and influence should be more greatly integrated with entertainment value in one's rating, but I think there's still value in being able to divorce those two spheres. Case in point for me: I found The Birth of a Nation to be repulsive, but can still appreciate its huge influence on the beginning of the film industry. One final thing to remember: each of those influential series you mention also had their own antecedents that influenced them. It's all connected, and trying to parse all that apart can muddy the waters too much at times.
As for the 'newness=greatness' factor, I agree this is a bit of a problem. All I can say is that as time passes and their novelty wears off, those will tend to drop down to a more appropriate rating. We just have to accept that phenomenon, unless we do something drastic like putting a moratorium on being able to rate new releases until a certain amount of time (we're talking years) has passed. That would not be a popular policy.
Mobley Hernandez
Daniel Chung
FWIW, I have it rated right up there with the rest of the "greatest".