IMDb's policy is transphobic and harmful and it needs to change

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I understand that IMDb wishes to remain accurate, but their current policy most certainly needs to be changed, as it can be dangerous to some actors. As an actor, I believe that an actor’s feelings should come before “accuracy.” Actors are real people with real feelings and real experiences. Transgender actors exist, as do actors who have suffered an abusive past. 

I can understand connecting “typos” to the same name, as I wouldn’t care so much if I was connected to “Rory Roach” or “Rory Roache,” etc. However, the name in question, which I will NOT be typing again because the very sight of it makes me PHYSICALLY ILL, is from a part of my life that in keeping it plastered on my IMDb credits, puts me in great danger. I will not and should not have to explain my personal life in order to have this name removed. I simply expect this request to be understood. I’ll explain in more detail. 

As I said, transgender actors exist. Some, in fact, have acted since before coming out as transgender, and some have been out since before IMDb even existed. That said, transgender people face many dangers. Forcing them to be known as a name that they don’t associate with could out them and in turn, result in their murder. Your policy forces this, and therefore, in that case, should be held responsible for any murder committed because of this. I’m sure you don’t want that. Furthermore, it can and does cause them harm to see a name they never wanted in the first place. 

As for abuse survivors, forcing this alternate name could result in the actor’s abuser finding them and causing more harm. Do you wish to cause harm to the actor? 

I’ve been more than patient with this issue. I’ve expressed how seeing this name, attributed to a very bad part of my life, makes me feel. I understand you wish to give accurate information, but it will not hurt someone to be a little confused by different credits. It does, however, hurt me greatly every single time I see this name. 

I’ve offered the solution of deleting, but as I had to fight tooth and nail for a credit in the first place, from abusive directors, I’ve opted to keep my credit. However, the solution now is to mark it uncredited. Accept this solution. This is no longer a request. You are hurting me and I believe that my feelings and my health come before “accuracy.” The “alternate name” is no longer connected to any existing human, and certainly not to me, so in truth, regardless of film credit, your forceful policy is creating the largest inaccuracy. This alternate name does not exist. Listing me as [uncredited] is a solution for both of us. The alternate name doesn’t exist, and Rory J. Roche did not receive credits despite participating in the film. I’ve already expressed that Savior never made it to DVD, so I cannot provide “proof” of any credit. 

I also deleted credits that I do not want. I want nothing to do with the three credits due to personal trauma to do with the show. Things happened that I do not need to discuss, but I do not want to be known for these things. 

Please reconsider your policy, and make it safe for actors that do not fit into your tiny boxes. And while you’re at it, please add more genders to the list. Not everyone is male or female. Intersex people exist. Transgender, nonbinary, genderfluid, and agender actors exist. If you’re confused about a pronoun to use, provide a slot in which the actor in question can tell you their pronoun. Simple. 

Thank you, 
Rory J. Roche

This is what I had posted to IMDb support. They accepted the change to uncredited, however, they have since changed it back to a name that I do not associate with and it's sickening. I am absolutely sick of this battle. I only want to be credited as Rory J. Roche, or uncredited, or simply not credited at all. Their constant issue with this is transphobic and disgusting. At this point, it is harassment. They're forcing me to use a name that isn't mine. They need to fix this and they need to make it more trans friendly. The actor and their feelings/health/safety should come before "accuracy."
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Everyone should be respected. IMDB step your game up. Trans people exist and have feelings just like you. Imagine if this was your family or child. Get over yourself and give trans people the respect they deserve!
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Hello, Rory.
 
Is that your page? 

Unfortunately, IMDb is a database which covers factual information about films and people involved. If you were credited by this name in your previous works, then filmography should display that. Likely the name could have been added by people who have seen the film, discovered the difference in the credits and did the right thing by correcting the listings according to the credits. However if you were not listed by that name on any title, that should indeed be removed and "(uncredited)" attribute should be instated.  

IMDb's policy is not in any way transphobic. It is quite progressive. It's just that IMDb collects factual information, which should be preserved, because it is plastered all over the film. Even if changed, it will eventually be corrected by someone, because movies are watched and people are re-checking end credits from time to time. A good example of a transgender person's page (in my humble opinion) is Alexis Arquette

That said, there are indeed problems with that. I won't pretend that I have full understanding of such situations, but I will try to help in any way I can.   
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It's the same as with any other kind of employment - you cannot leave out pre-transition parts of your work history (if asked) without risking it being construed as a misrepresentation, even if you don't want to be associated with your birth gender/name anymore.
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Firstly, I didn't ask for the opinion of cis people. I gave you a suggestion to make the policy better and safer for everyone. Cis people wouldn't understand what it's like because they've never experienced it. Secondly, you don't get to determine what is or is not transphobic. You've proven with your language that you and your policy is transphobic. My imdb itself refers to me as an actor and uses they pronouns but you went ahead to call me "she" which is rude and disrespectful and guess what? TRANSPHOBIC. The book you mentions isn't even out anymore for the same reason but your stupid site is being so difficult that I didn't get the dead link taken down yet.

It really wouldn't kill you to make it so that an actor doesn't need to have credits they don't want. It could kill them though. You could even make it so that an actor can opt that only people they give permission to can alter their credits. Why should a random stranger be able to? That's dangerous! People are sick. People make things up. People start rumors. If you're not going to fix this, take me off imdb altogether because I want absolutely nothing to do with such a willingly transphobic company.
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Rory - MANY people in the entertainment industry, for many different reasons, have asked IMDb to remove their credits. I do not know of any cases where IMDb has removed a factually correct credit associated with a publicly released work due to personally not wanting to be associated with it. All these cases include among others those who once worked in the porn industry, films that they now disagree with for political or other reasons, directors they didn't liked, and transgender people like you.

We have even had an actress sue IMDb in court to remove her date of birth because of age discrimination. Guess who won? Not her. To counteract that California has even tried passing a law forcing sites like IMDb to remove ages or dates of birth upon request. IMDb is challenging that law, and while it's still pending, the court suspended enforcement of the law for now given its questionable constitutionality (in terms of free speech rights). That indicates about how much luck you'll probably have if you'd like to legally challenge this policy.
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Credits can be updated and so can policies. The current policy willfully ignores how third parties can, and do, use information provided on the site to discriminate trans people in employment, housing, and their social life.

The policy is also at odds with Amazon's recent statement of support for the trans community. Amazon signed on a letter with other tech companies this fall, that said “What harms transgender people harms our companies.”
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IMDb's policy is not in any way transphobic.
Any page that excuses deadnaming with "facts" is trans discriminating. "Factual information" should not stand above the well being of trans actors.
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You can never expect to achieve what you would like by being hostile to the powers that be.
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Not wrong.
This is not a democracy.
You are .6% of world population.
You are not even in a majority in a democracy!
There are for more pressing things in life.
And think about this........are you more entitled to alteration here than you would be if this was "The Washington Post", or CNN?
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Rob Sieger if anyone here sounds "unprecedentedly militant" it's you with your rhetoric about "powerful" special interest group bordering hate speech. 

My philosophy on that issue might seem odd, but I when you're trying to persuade majority to continue ignore minorities you should actually think about one simple thing: minorities is an outdated concept in itself. We should stop dividing people into groups, no matter how large or small and treat them individually, case-to-case. Of course, for society that for centuries used simplified idiotism that leads to segregation, discrimination,  and witch-hunting such ideas might seem to be to radical because they directly contradict our society's inherent vice of laziness and opposing changes. It's much easier to continue dividing people into groups and find some groups to oppose then actually confront yourself about the fact that differences are so scarce that effectively you might as well put yourself in the group and no one will notice.  

It is very much ironic since adaptibility is what made people so widespread and our ability to somehow supress our natural instincts (instincts, which in many cases prevent rational thinking in the modern world) is perhaps our only truly unique feature as a species. People pathologically don't want to change. They don't want to change their habits, their vocabulary, they oppose changes at every direction and every corner, not understanding a simple thing: changes are inevitable. 

P.S. I've also removed your double comment. 
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Nikolay Yeriomin -- Thanks but you appear to have removed both. There is plenty Orwellian and dystopian about present-day United States, which is what I was referring to, and there are powerful special interest groups whose interests coincide with what the IMDb database was (apparently) created to compile. 

I am not 100% sure what "but I when you're trying to persuade majority to continue ignore minorities you should actually think about one simple thing: minorities is an outdated concept in itself" means, but I certainly agree that we should not divide people. That is what identity politics does. That is what Rory Roche's opinions of cis people are an example of. And that is why "transphobia" and "diversity" manias are but the tip of the iceberg of the destructive and divisive dystopia in which the US finds itself.
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I've deleted a duplicate of this one and it seems to be in place: 


And where exactly such example of behavior towards your situational enemy group came from?.. Of course minorities get angry and bitter overtime, turning to use exact same methods that opression does. I know because I am a minority in several different aspects: I have a diasbility, I am an internally dislocated person (a refugee but within one country) and I am also just plain too "weird" which in minds of too many people unties their hands and language in regards of harassment. That made me bitter and agressive towards anyone who tries to disregard other people's opinion. I hate to see that happen on both sides of any conflict. So far most of our society's attempts at fixing our problems is fighting fire with fire, which mostly doesn't work. 
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Faraday Speaks makes excellent points about the way radicalization via the Internet works and how halfway-informed identity politics exhibitionists and borderline fringe elements can be mistaken for "authority" by ordinary folks or others. In addition, he is right about how it may be a mistake for "progressives" and advocates of social "justice" to plainly write off conservatives, objectivists, libertarians and nationalists as foolish, delusional or insidious. On the other hand, he has not exactly clarified where he stands on the concept of cultural "authority", linguistic "authority", conceptual "authority", likewise dogma or so, and he may have set up two particular YouTube personas of the social "justice" advocacy flavor as substitute "authority", in the process of thanking them, and likely he owes them thanks in the context of guidance, but his presentation comes off as blind to the corruption that exists in the "left" regardless of how imperfect certain youthful pro-Trump loudmouths are.
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What is electromagnetic induction?
Electromagnetic induction is the process by which a current can be induced to flow due to a changing magnetic field.

In our article on the magnetic force we looked at the force experienced by moving charges in a magnetic field. The force on a current-carrying wire due to the electrons which move within it when a magnetic field is present is a classic example. This process also works in reverse. Either moving a wire through a magnetic field or (equivalently) changing the strength of the magnetic field over time can cause a current to flow.



How is this described?
There are two key laws that describe electromagnetic induction:

  1. Faraday's law, due to 19th century physicist Michael Faraday. This relates the rate of change of magnetic flux through a loop to the magnitude of the electro-motive force E\mathcal{E}E induced in the loop. The relationship is
    E=dΦdt\mathcal{E} = \frac{\mathrm{d}\Phi}{\mathrm{d}t}E=dt






dΦ​

The electromotive force or EMF refers to the potential difference across the unloaded loop (i.e. when the resistance in the circuit is high). In practice it is often sufficient to think of EMF as voltage since both voltage and EMF are measured using the same unit, the volt. [Explain]
The take-away point here is that a wire moving in a field does not necessarily represent an ideal voltage source; the voltage you might measure with a high-impedance voltmeter would only equal the EMF if the load is small.






Lenz's law is a consequence of conservation of energy applied to electromagnetic induction. It was formulated by Heinrich Lenz in 1833. While Faraday's law tells us the magnitude of the EMF produced, Lenz's law tells us the direction that current will flow. It states that the direction is always such that it will oppose the change in flux which produced it. This means that any magnetic field produced by an induced current will be in the opposite direction to the change in the original field.
Lenz's law is typically incorporated into Faraday's law with a minus sign, the inclusion of which allows the same coordinate system to be used for both the flux and EMF. The result is sometimes called the Faraday-Lenz law,
E=−dΦdt\mathcal{E} = -\frac{\mathrm{d}\Phi}{\mathrm{d}t}E=−dt

dΦ​

In practice we often deal with magnetic induction in multiple coils of wire each of which contribute the same EMF. For this reason an additional term NNNN representing the number of turns is often included, i.e.
E=−NdΦdt\mathcal{E} = -N \frac{\mathrm{d}\Phi}{\mathrm{d}t}E=−Ndt

  1. dΦ​




What is the connection between Faraday's law of induction and the magnetic force?
While the full theoretical underpinning of Faraday's law is quite complex, a conceptual understanding of the direct connection to the magnetic force on a charged particle is relatively straightforward.





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I thought imdb’s long standing policy was to never alter or delete accurate information...
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"It used to be..." Well, there have always been exceptions. The accurate information has to be relevant and non-abusive; possibly reasonably interesting as well. This is why there is a guideline about not posting information about people's children or their favorite colors, how many flower pots sit in the window seals of their houses. I'm glad that IMDb avoids what is known on Wikipedia as "instruction creep", but it is somewhat inevitable. Neither one is an indiscriminate repository of information.
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(The window sills even.)
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there have always been exceptions.

Yeah, but these exceptions are there because they are so general that they don't really tell us anything about the person. Favorite colors and the like are shared with literally millions of people, it's hardly unique.
Specific information about a person (for example, a name a person was given around the time they were born) is extremely unique and can help identification along. (especially for people with a common name and no photos on IMDb).
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there have always been exceptions.

Yeah, but these exceptions are there because they are so general that they don't really tell us anything about the person. Favorite colors and the like are shared with literally millions of people, it's hardly unique.
Specific information about a person (for example, a name a person was given around the time they were born) is extremely unique and can help identification along. (especially for people with a common name and no photos on IMDb).
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Might I remind you of the subject heading of this thread, Marco? A tort is being alleged.
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I support Trans people and address them in the way they feel represented as an individual, respectively, but after googling the term "Cis People" (I recognize my ignorance), I found this very offensive

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Firstly, I didn't ask for the opinion of cis people...

It's basic common sense, if you don't respect the ones that are different from you, don't expect them to respect you. Not only regarding sexual identity, but in any aspect of life.

I excuse myself for reviving an old thread, but that sentence was very hateful and shocking to me, a simple (ignorant in this topic) human being.


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Cisgender
How dare anyone label anybody in any fashion.
One name for both sexes. The loony left is outta control.
Yeah, if you think for one minute a cop is EVER gonna get on his radio and say,
"I'M IN PURSUIT ON FOOT OF A CISGENDER OF UNDISCLOSED HEIGHT AND UNDISCLOSED WEIGHT AND UNDISCLOSED AGE"
Can't say what color skin. It's offensive.
Can't say what sex. It harms everyone's self esteem.
Can't say how tall. If they are short that self esteem thing creeps in again.
Can't say how much they weigh. If overweight or anorexic someone may be offended.
Can't say how old. Middle aged people may get offended if they overestimate your age.

Heaven forbid if you actually catch the criminal. They would probably sue you for being in better shape than they are.

Just how crazy is this going to get before the "Majority" in this country stops the minority fringe groups and an out of control academia from brainwashing the populace with their nonsense.
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I have do admit that in neither of my both countries, I have ever heard that term "cisgender". And I have friends in the LGBT community.
I don't mind if someone wants to label me that way, it's not my problem, it's theirs. But to act all offended and then offend someone with a "slur", rrejecting their opinion for their sexual identity, it's not helping the Trans community.

We need to relax and think about other people's feelings too, that would be my advise to Rory Roche.

Cheers!


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"Just how crazy is this going to get before the "Majority" in this country stops the minority fringe groups and an out of control academia from brainwashing the populace with their nonsense."

Oh great.... now you've done it. Don't you know that that is like a challenge to them?
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Yep I do
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Yeah, some transgender people believe that all cisgender people (non-transgender people) are incapable of understanding them. They may even claim that lack of representation of transgender people in government or public "authority" is necessarily a dire threat to transgender people. Regardless, I doubt any transgender legislator would be silly enough to cop an attitude with another legislator, right on the floor of the legislature chamber, purely on account of that other being cisgender. I doubt the same the other way around as well. It's too unprofessional. (Note: When if ever legislators belonging to the same legislative body start behaving extremely nasty toward each other on a regular basis, it is usually close before, all during or close after a period civil unrest.)