Implementation of new genres

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Back in July 2010, there was a discussion about new genres to be added to IMDb. After a discussion, eventually the following five genres were approved by the IMDb staff:

Soap Opera
Erotica
Awards Show
Experimental
Lifestyle

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/165524169?p=3&d=167577501#167577501

In December 2010 and January 2011, contributors discussed definitions for each of the five new genres, which were in turn approved by the staff. 

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/176453004 (Awards Show)
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/176843542 (Erotica)
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/176800928 (Experimental)
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/175322002 (Lifestyle)
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/176453288 (Soap Opera)

On January 31, 2011, then-staffer jaimie-k wrote that he was working hard to make the implementation of the genres happen as fast as possible.
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/174139769?p=2&d=177533770#177533770

However, it has been almost three years since then, and none of the new genres have been implemented yet.

We haven't even gotten an explanation for the delay since May 2012, when we were told, "It is difficult to add new genres because it requires coordination across multiple sites, multiple mobile applications on multiple platforms and multiple languages."

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/198586611?d=199705646#199705646

But that explanation doesn't sound right, because regardless of what application we use to view IMDb data, the underlying data is still stored the same way. The IMDb App for iPhone or Android or Windows Phone needs to know where to display the genre for a film -- but the app shouldn't need to be reprogrammed just because there are more genres that can be selected from. We're not talking about adding a new field of data -- we're just talking about adding new values to an existing field of data.

Or to put it another way, the Country of Origin field is another field where there are a finite number of choices that can be selected from. Suppose that Scotland or Catalonia or Flanders or Quebec became independent and started producing films and television shows. It wouldn't take years to add those new countries to the Country of Origin field. It would be done pretty quickly after the first new title was submitted with an "Explanation for missing information" identifying the film's Country of Origin as not being listed in the drop-down box.

In short, on a programming difficulty scale, where creating a program that prints "Hello, world!" is a 1, and getting Healthcare.gov (the "Obamacare" website) to operate properly is a 10, implementing the new genres should be no more than a 3. The IMDb programmers have done some much more complex programming than that in the last three and a half years. Please have them go ahead and implement the new genres without further delay.
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I'm a lot newer here. But nine years seems a little bit.
I can understand that the implementation may have been pushed back due to the site wide upgrade a while back. Enough time has passed since that was implemented. So it is not unreasonable to expect those genres be integrated into the database soon.
Ed

P.S. Russian language upgrade would be nice too.
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Even if they add them now, it's gonna take another decade to correct all those awards show titles from Reality-TV or whatever to Awards Show. You guys should've planned things ahead.
Cheers.
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Maybe.
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To correct all of them, yes, it'll take quite some time. But imdb is largely a contribution site, some people do take the time to add and correct information. A lot of movies would be corrected in a few months.

Provided that contributors are made aware of this option, of course. (perhaps a little icon of information near every movie's "genre" tag?)

And also provided that the new genre options are satisfactory and abundant. So that we wouldn't have to call Nasty Nurses In Heat a drama or romance, and we wouldn't have to call Steel Fingers of The Wang Yu Shaolin Temple an "action" film. 
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Provided that contributors are made aware of this option, of course.

Don't worry. When (or if?) IMDb adds new genres, they will definitely announce it.
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As someone who's contributing for 15 years I can tell you that genres like:
* Concert
* Stand-up Show
* Martial Arts
* Awards Show

Are more important than:
* Soap Opera
* Lifestyle

Why? Because they're more represented in the database.

Also, maybe we can create a democratic strawpoll in which people here and the actual contributors can all have a say in which genres we want to be added the most?
Cheers!

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Why? Because they're more represented in the database.

I'm not so sure about that, because the whole point of this thread is that some genres aren't represented in the database. This means that not all soap operas or lifestyle titles can be easily found via keywords or the like. So there's really no good method of proving they're more or less represented in the database.

Apart from that, if you look at number of episodes, soap operas are of much more importance that all the concerts, stand-up shows and awards shows combined. Also, soap operas have been around since as long as tv has been around (the first soap operas aired on radio, well before television even existed), which, AFAIK, isn't the case for the broadcasting of awards shows or stand-up skits.

That all being said, this is, unfortunately, all moot because it might take years before IMDb adds the five new genres that have been mentioned upthread.
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M J and Marco: The five genres that were approved in 2010 were not necessarily my top 5 personal choices, but they were selected as a result of a poll on the Contributors Help message board, with the actual decision being made by the IMDb staff (I don't know whether the approved genres matched the top selections in the poll). So those are the genres that I've been requesting to be implemented ever since then.

I have no objection to other new genres being added in the future after the 5 I mentioned above, although I would recommend that another poll be taken so that the staff can get an idea of what the contributors actually prefer.

I just don't want to see a situation like the following:

A staff member posts here, "I have good news, more good news, and bad news. The first good news is that we're implementing the five new genres of Awards Show, Erotica, Experimental, Lifestyle, and Soap Opera immediately. You can start adding those genres to titles right now!"

Contributors: "Hooray!"

Staff member: "The next good news is that we're going to take a poll to select more genres to be added. So if you want to propose a Concert or a Martial Arts or a Religion or an Educational genre, you'll have the opportunity to do so."

Contributors: "Hooray!"

Staff member: "The bad news is that, when we added the five new genres, we didn't make it any easier to add additional new genres in the future. So whatever genres win this poll will wind up being added to IMDb sometime around the year 2028 ...."
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I just don't want to see a situation like the following: A staff member posts here, "I have good news, more good news, and bad news.




I totally understand, although by now, I'd be very happy just to have the first five new genres. Heck, I'd be ecstatic if they'd one new genre, in 2025. Hell, I'd even dance around in my living room if they'd even respond to this thread. :)