Is there any way to know which titles have never been featured in a poll?

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I remember years ago IMDb member HB used to periodically request polls related to popular titles that had no or little live polls associated with them.


My question is if, today, do we have anyway or learning which titles have little or no polls in which they are featured so we can maybe think on polls that involve them?
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Well, most of the titles are not referenced in any poll.
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Indeed, but the idea would be to know if there is a way to access a list, and specially if it could be related to the popularity of a title, not just any dark entry no one knows about.
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I cannot find a way to determine which IMDb polls have, say, Cameron's Titanic as an option. Obviously IMDb does not provide a way, and apparently Google search engine is not capable of finding it either despite being the only search engine that supports nearly a dozen operators. That is the damned situation at hand. It's really sad.
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Well, apparently it is possible to see some (at most six) of the polls that reference a particular title page or name page, as Dan Dassow has pointed out in a reply here. The information of course is not provided in Reference View.
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All these cutting edge resources that Amazon has, and none of its sites and none of its child company sites have anything close to MediaWiki's WhatLinksHere feature, which is a crying shame. Google is no better. Microsoft is no better. Apple is no better. Facebook is no better. Disney is no better. They are practically begging to be yesterday's news.
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Pencho15,

hb ran a special report that only staff members can access. Since hb returned to his duties at Amazon, it is not clear that anyone on the IMDb staff has access to that report.

As a user, you can go to a title or people page and check whether there are any User Polls associated with that title or person. Just look on the right side of the title or people page.

Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (2018) has at least six polls associated with it.

The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (2018) only has one poll associated with it:
Venice Film Festival 2018

Añoranzas del viejo Cartago (1976) has no polls associated with it.

John Wayne has at least polls associated with him.

Florence Pugh  has two polls associates with her:
Movie Images to Put You in Autumn Mood
Who Should Play You?

Eva Schüttengruber has none.
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I hope that we hear from hb again at some point. I would like to more polls that emphasize or relate to stunts, cinematography, effects, makeup, costumes, props, sets and miniatures.
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Jeorj,

I suspect that hb is rather busy. I will pass on the message that he is missed.
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O, I'd image so. Thanks, regardless.
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Will hb be back on the poll board?
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Kirk,

I honestly do not know if or when hb would return to the poll board. If he did so, it would likely be on a non-official basis.
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You can search google with site:imdb.com with "poll" (poll with  quotation marks)
But searching this for every possible title is useless. :(

Eg: https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&client=firefox-b-ab&ei=Fg_9W8H1OYvkvASOiaO4Cw&...

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Thorin,

You can search for IMDb polls using this as a search term:
site:imdb.com/poll {keyword}
where {keyword} is a specific keyword or phrase.

For example:
This is the search term for IMDb polls related to "John Wayne"
site:imdb.com/poll "John Wayne"

This is the associated link:
https://www.google.com/search?ei=4kL9W7PbGYm8sAXDgbPgDA&q=site%3Aimdb.com%2Fpoll+%22John+Wayne%2...
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My disappointment was in how a query like https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aimdb.com%2Fpoll+link%3Aimdb.com%2Fname%2Fnm0000078 does not produce any results, but maybe Google never intended for the operators "site:" and "link:" to be used together.
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Jeorj,

It appears that site: and link: can be used together. See the second search result.

site:imdb.com/poll imdb.com/name/nm0000078
No results.
https://www.google.com/search?ei=0Yr9W-_LBdDysQXkyoqQDQ&q=site%3Aimdb.com%2Fpoll+imdb.com%2Fname...

site:imdb.com link:imdb.com/name/nm0000078
About 103 results
https://www.google.com/search?ei=bov9W6CrKpGgtQWE7ZiIDQ&q=site%3Aimdb.com+link%3Aimdb.com%2Fname...

site:imdb.com imdb.com/name/nm0000078
About 797 results
https://www.google.com/search?ei=Jov9W9CYA8eUtQWmp4TQDQ&q=site%3Aimdb.com+imdb.com%2Fname%2Fnm00...


link:imdb.com/name/nm0000078
About 33,600 results
https://www.google.com/search?q=link:imdb.com/name/nm0000078
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I like this idea in general. Unfortunately, no success. The second search result is the most fruitful, but it found only one link to a list, namely:
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000744593/
and it is found only because the list itself includes not the link but the text about the link: "Favorite actor in [link]tt0040724[/link] is [link]nm0000078[/link] which links to [link]tt0056217[/link]". All the rest are links to the general and additional pages concerning names and titles.
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The "link:" operator is being deprecated by Google since 2017, as I know now. It still produces some results, but they are unpredictable and may be just trash or partially correct.

Happy new year to all!
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This is an interesting idea that has a number of related/constituent interesting ideas. I think, for my first IMDb poll, I would try to include a lot of notable movies or notable people never to have been featured in a live poll before.
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If we go to the above-mentioned Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald page, then 'User Lists', then 'See all related lists', the final address is https://www.imdb.com/lists/tt4123430?ref_=tt_rls_sm . So, the lists associated with this movie can be searched by aside engines such as Google and the rest. If we do the same for 'User Polls', then 'See more polls', the final address is https://www.imdb.com/poll/?ref_=tt_po_sm . So, the associated-polls page has no public address, they are invisible for search engines.

But we can try a contravariant - to find the titles empty for 'User Polls', and it works:
site:imdb.com/title -"User polls"

It is hard to utilize such a result (24 300 000 of links), but it may be searchable further:
site:imdb.com/title -"User polls" tt0120710
So, it is not only in dreams ))

Finally, it is good to clean the result:
site:www.imdb.com/title -"User polls" -"See also" -mediaviewer tt0120710
It is much better to use "www." prefix to avoid searching the pro and mobile versions of imdb, they include no info we need.

Moreover, the "OR" operator helps to search more items simultaniously:
site:www.imdb.com/title -"User polls" -"See also" -mediaviewer tt0120710 OR tt5884784
But remember that Google limits queries to 32 words, and they may throw a captcha on you after "too many many requests from your IP".
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Hi (and very happy new year) to the IMDb Poll Community!

I confess that I'm not very fond of taking part in polls (sorry), but the title of this thread caught my attention and, seeing that no solution has been given yet, I would like to provide my grain of sand...

After viewing this recent post from Dan (acknowledgement: everything you're going to read next wouldn't have been possible without his fantastic and dedicated work along these years ) I had an idea that, at first glance, I thought it was idiotic, hard to implement and (even if it could be done) presumably deficient... But hey! Is there a better way of starting a new year than doing something challenging and crazy? Also, I'm very grateful and felt touched when I saw my name in the EOY message, so giving this plan a try is my humble way to reciprocate. You, the "poll enthusiasts", as a vast part of the family, deserve something better than nothing and, although I'm aware that the following is not a complete answer, it is a good starting point (to my surprise, better than I expected) so I believe the effort was well worth doing.

Thanks to Dan, we have a listing with the 7,232 polls that went live on the site since 15 Aug 2013 and the identifier of the list from which such polls were generated.

To avoid being boring, I will not going into detail here but, to put it simply, I've been able to batch download and rename a good percentage (about 3 out of 4) of those lists (over 5,300) as .csv files, and combine them all into a large single .csv file, which then I processed in SPSS by using the list-identifier as a key to match with the original .xlsx spreadsheet and, if needed, with other .tsv data. Note that almost half of the lists that I couldn't retrieve (around  840) were "character type" lists, i.e. those constituted by the now-deprecated chconsts; the remaining (around 1,070) were lists that have been deleted or made "private" by their creators. In short, by this analysis we're "rescuing" all the ttconsts and nmconsts (and rmconsts) featured in around 80% of all the polls published on the site since 15 Aug 2013. Not so deficient after all...


Here are the results:

A. TITLES AND NAMES FEATURED IN A POLL

TOTAL POLLS: 7,232 (since 15 Aug 2013)
         ~ with a valid list identificator: 7,227 polls
         ~ number of different list identificators: 7,213
                  ♦ 14 of them (ls020722280,
ls021011420, ls058812636, ls059549982, ls063512068, ls068406269,
ls070283435, ls070432156, ls070686951, ls074181764, ls076064053,
ls076205109, ls076471292, ls079227019)
generate two polls each.

     Undownloadable lists (either deleted/made private/"character type"): 1,912 (26.5%)
                  ♦ Many of them (839) were built with chconsts (43.9%), a far more higher proportion than lists of this kind in downloadable lists (accounting less than 1% there); this means good news because the number of lost ttconsts and nmconsts (for not being retrievable) will be far fewer than expected, i.e. the percentage of tt/nmconsts in the undownloadable lists are not a 26.5% of the total tt/nmconsts, but probably around 17% only, boosting the number of "recoverable" nm/ttconsts to around 80% of the total.

     AVAILABLE LISTS: 5,301 (73.5%)
         Built with ttconsts ("title type lists"): 2,706 lists
         Built with nmconsts ("name type lists"): 674 lists
         Built with rmconsts ("image type lists"): 1,921 lists


A.1. "Title type" lists/polls

Available title type polls: 2,712 ~ from a total of 3,233 title type polls (83.9%)
     Total choices: 53,015 ~ 52,813 REFERENCES (after excluding duplicates of a ttconst in a same poll)
     Unique titles: 16,906 TITLES

     Top-100 titles with most references:
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ljdoncel,

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Amazing work, much appreciated!
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A.2. "Name type" lists/polls

Available name type polls: 678 ~ from a total of 868 name type polls (78.1%)
     Total choices: 11,735 ~ 11,682 REFERENCES (after excluding duplicates of a nmconst in a same poll)
     Unique names: 5,236 NAMES

     Top-100 names with most references:
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A.3. "Image type" lists/polls

Available image type polls: 1,921 ~ from a total of 2,275 image type polls (84.4%)
     Total choices: 34,913 ~ 34,831 REFERENCES (after excluding duplicates of a rmconst in a same poll)
     Unique images: 28,752 IMAGES

     Top-20 images with most references: rm23976691 (16 polls), rm32620339 (16 polls), rm11433776 (14 polls), rm14621447 (14 polls), rm34955983 (14 polls), rm11076574 (13 polls), rm25935687 (13 polls), rm22500802 (12 polls), rm56073344 (12 polls), rm16383736 (11 polls), rm16539146 (11 polls), rm16965632 (11 polls), rm22960273 (11 polls), rm32521256 (11 polls), rm40811668 (11 polls), rm42054123 (11 polls), rm11584532 (10 polls), rm15713239 (10 polls), rm27372131 (10 polls), rm42557440 (10 polls).

Unfortunately there's no way (AFAIK) of searching for the title/name page to which an image with a certain rmconst belongs (aside from, of course, browsing every single photo gallery). That's only known to . However, I'm not giving up so easily...

Some poll creators are kind enough to include links in the description box of a poll choice (up to 31 in some cases, such as The Shawshank Redemption line in ls072509591). I've tracked all those links (I'll name them "dslinks") to extract ttconsts and nmconsts, hence a well bunch of references related to image type polls can still be gathered:

     Total: 17,451 dslinks (11,999 ttconsts/5,452 nmconsts)
             In title type polls: 3,599 dslinks (2,257 ttconsts ~ 1,342 nmconsts) in 217 title type polls
             In name type polls: 2,753 dslinks (2,364 ttconsts ~ 389 nmconsts) in 179 name type polls
             In image type polls: 11,099
                    → To titles: 7,378 ~ 6,668 REFERENCES (after excluding duplicates) to 3,620 TITLES
                    → To names: 3,721 ~ 3,423 REFERENCES (after excluding duplicates) to 2,208 NAMES

     Top-50 titles with most references within image descriptions in image type polls:
     Top-50 names with most references within image descriptions in image type polls:

I've uploaded three PDF files to my Dropbox account including a poll index and detailed lists of every featured title and name (accesible via the method I've described above).
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B. TITLES NOT-YET-FEATURED IN A POLL

Since there are (as of 03 Jan 2018) 5,526,823 titles and 9,049,332 names in the database, less than 1 out of 300 titles and less than 1 out of 1,450 names have ever appeared in a poll.

  don't make public (as downloadable files) either STARmeter, MOVIEmeter or Popularity ranks, so unless you think of another strategy, the only thing I can do for the time being is taking the complete list of titles, sorted by descending number of votes (as a subrogate index of "popularity"), and filtering out the titles which we now know (see above) have already been part of a poll.

     Top-250 most voted titles that supposedly have never been listed in a poll:
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I hope you find this info interesting...


Uff, there's been too much statistic work for the last 2 weeks... I haven't submitted anything to this year yet (in terms of contribution items) because of all the recent analysis... and I think I need a rest... and some sleep...

Cheers!! 
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ljdoncel,
I hope you find this info interesting...
I absolutely find this interesting and extremely useful.

Thanks again for your amazing work.
... and I think I need a rest... and some sleep...
You deserve a well earned rest.

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Tremendous work!
Thank you, ljdoncel, Champ

An aside effect is in understanding that the code-writers hired by IMDb sleep well while the free contributors beavering ))
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hat a marvelous and complete work, a tremendoues effort, and it turns out to be both useful and quite interesting. It would be fantastic if your method could be used by IMDb to have this stats updated from time to time.
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Bravo! Nice work! Greatly appreciated.