The last week I see again the films Psycho, Psycho II and Psycho III. My surprise was that Psycho II and Psycho III uses an archive footage of the shower scene with Janet Leigh (Marion Crane).
In the trivial section (connections) of Psycho talk about it. But surprise, Psycho II and Psycho III cast members profiles dont include archive footage uncredited of Janet Leigh as Marion Crane.
The declined updates are:
190402-104627-423000
190402-095422-860000
In the trivial section (connections) of Psycho talk about it. But surprise, Psycho II and Psycho III cast members profiles dont include archive footage uncredited of Janet Leigh as Marion Crane.
The declined updates are:
190402-104627-423000
190402-095422-860000
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Nikolay Yeriomin (Mykola Yeromin), Champion
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Hello, Lose.
It should be noted that uncredited archive footage appearances are not listed in cast and instead could/should be specified in movie connections. Archive footage credits apply to a number of specific guidelines though, that could be read here and there are quite a few exceptions to the rule. However, in this case it applies to the "movielink" rule: "If someone's appearance is uncredited and covered by a movielink entry (i.e., footage from a film is recycled as a "prologue" or flashback in a sequel or subsequent film in a series) it does not qualify as "archive footage”." Exceptions to that rule exist mostly through instances that were credited and (as far as I've researched) that is unfortunately not the case with Janet Leigh in sequels.
It should be noted that uncredited archive footage appearances are not listed in cast and instead could/should be specified in movie connections. Archive footage credits apply to a number of specific guidelines though, that could be read here and there are quite a few exceptions to the rule. However, in this case it applies to the "movielink" rule: "If someone's appearance is uncredited and covered by a movielink entry (i.e., footage from a film is recycled as a "prologue" or flashback in a sequel or subsequent film in a series) it does not qualify as "archive footage”." Exceptions to that rule exist mostly through instances that were credited and (as far as I've researched) that is unfortunately not the case with Janet Leigh in sequels.
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Thank you for your answer.
I supposed that Janet Leigh should appear because:
In Psycho III there are two flashback:
- Shower scene from Psycho: Janet Leigh is not credited as archive footage uncredited at Imdb
- Murder of Mrs. Spool from Psycho II: Claudia Bryar is credited as archive footage uncredited at Imdb
I supposed that Janet Leigh should appear because:
In Psycho III there are two flashback:
- Shower scene from Psycho: Janet Leigh is not credited as archive footage uncredited at Imdb
- Murder of Mrs. Spool from Psycho II: Claudia Bryar is credited as archive footage uncredited at Imdb
Nikolay Yeriomin (Mykola Yeromin), Champion
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Lose, as guidelines suggest "The standard "two wrongs don't make a right" rule also applies: just because we have credits that violate some of the above, doesn't mean that the rules are not valid (it just means that those credits were accepted before the rules were established, or we didn't know better, or we just made a mistake)". However there is also "Forrest Gump" rule which says "If archive footage is an integral part of the film's narrative, it's eligible".
I'd say that we should wait for staff to have their word on that specific case (I am an experienced user just providing my help hence the "Champion" status). It's likely that Claudia Bryar's listing will be removed rather then Leigh's added in this case, though.
To be perfectly honest, if it was for me I would have listed everything as archive footage with little to no exception. However, my personal standards are different from IMDb rules and they are rather strict on that matter.
I'd say that we should wait for staff to have their word on that specific case (I am an experienced user just providing my help hence the "Champion" status). It's likely that Claudia Bryar's listing will be removed rather then Leigh's added in this case, though.
To be perfectly honest, if it was for me I would have listed everything as archive footage with little to no exception. However, my personal standards are different from IMDb rules and they are rather strict on that matter.
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Yes. I understand you.
The flashbacks are very importants in the history of the films. We must to see the answer of the staff.
Thank you very much. I see that you are a champiom member. I see you in others of my questions. Thank you very much and sorry my poor english
The flashbacks are very importants in the history of the films. We must to see the answer of the staff.
Thank you very much. I see that you are a champiom member. I see you in others of my questions. Thank you very much and sorry my poor english
Joel, Official Rep
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Hi Lose,
Thanks for your post, and thank you to Nikolay for his comments.
As mentioned, recycled footage from another title is not eligible for an (archive footage) credit - any instances of this should instead be placed in the movie link connections section.
If you have identified other cases were these appear, I encourage you to submit a correction via the Edit page button listed at the bottom of the page.
Have a great day!
Joel
Thanks for your post, and thank you to Nikolay for his comments.
As mentioned, recycled footage from another title is not eligible for an (archive footage) credit - any instances of this should instead be placed in the movie link connections section.
If you have identified other cases were these appear, I encourage you to submit a correction via the Edit page button listed at the bottom of the page.
Have a great day!
Joel
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