Localized title rationale

Hi,

out of one specific example, I would like to understand how does the database picks up the default localized title which shows on a title page.

Daimajin gyakushû is displayed with the localized French title "Le retour de Majin":

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But Firefox tab indicates "Le combat final de Majin (1966)":

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At this stage, there are no attributes for both French titles:

And in the titleAkas file, they are ranked 6 and 10:

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So I would like to understand how "Le retour de Majin" is picked up as default French title showing in the reference view.
(When it comes to the tab title, I guess this is the first one coming up...)

Thanks in advance for any feedback!

Vincent Fournols

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Posted 2 years ago

2 years ago

Jeorj Euler

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Hi, Vincent Fournol. It depends upon your Site Preferences or your IP address. It may or at least ought to depend upon the settings in your web browser.

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2018-09-23T01:09:16+00:00

Jeorj Euler

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https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/title-language-problem-bngvucjaw6osr

2018-09-23T06:58:38+00:00

Vincent Fournols

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Hi Jeorj,

thanks for bringing the light on that topic. But my question is somewhat different:
Of course, I have set my site preference to France and French, and my browser is in French as well.
So the scope of my question is on the database side rather than the client side. Here we have two equivalent titles: same language, same -- non existent -- attribute. And so, how one is picked up by the database as the one showing in the reference view? (and probably in the standard one).

There must be an internal rule, since it is always the same title showing, no random function.

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2018-09-23T10:33:44+00:00

Jeorj Euler

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Vincent Fournols, you're inquiring about how the software decides whether to display "Le combat final de Majin" or "Le retour de Majin", I see. Does it seem like it picks the most recent one? But maybe it picks that is alphabetically last.

2018-09-23T10:35:30+00:00

Vincent Fournols

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Maybe, but since there is no "maybe" in IT, I'd like to know :)

2018-09-23T13:56:24+00:00

Col Needham, Official Rep

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First for context, the link to the thread which Jeorj includes above is important. Our data model for storing localized titles is still lacking and an easy fix is not available. To make matters worse, under an extreme deadline pressure at the end of last year, a separate IMDb team built the title/reference page and used a different localization scheme than the rest of IMDb in a failed (yet well-intentioned) attempt to improve things. This has unfortunately left us with two broken localization systems instead of one, sorry.

As to this case and your question: both French AKAs have no further distinguishing attributes so it is effectively random chance. The fix for this is to add (imdb display title) to the one which is the current most commonly known title in France, and therefore eliminate the random chance by fixing the underlying data error. AKA titles without attributes are discouraged and to have two for the same country on the same title here is doubly unfortunate.