Music videos - clarification (music related credits)

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Hi.

Truth to be told, I haven’t added that many music videos to IMDb, partly because they don’t usually include any real credits etc. Anyway, now I have a few with proper end credits.

The guide ( https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...# ) was very helpful (especially the part where it says that no ”himself/herself” credits for the artists/bands), but I still have to clarify the last part with composer/music related credits:

”The songwriter is eligible for a composer credit and the lyricist should be credited in the music department as lyricist.”

Now, does this mean that the actual composer (or composers) of the song in the music video are added to ”Composer” department? And the writer/lyricist (or writers) of the song in the music video are added to ”Music” department? Meaning, that these are not added to ”Soundtrack” section?

Thank you again.

Edit: I was just glancing at some music videos directed by Jonas Åkerlund from IMDb (random example, basically) and in some videos there are ”him/herself” credits also listed. So there are probably some inconsistencies.
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Hi Eboy -

To clarify, for Music Video's, as per the mention in our guide, a Songwriter should be credited in the Composer section, likewise, if there is an individual who is specifically credited as "Composer" on the video, they should also be listed in the Composer section, and lastly, a lyricist should be credited in the Music Department section.

There should be no Soundtrack credits on a music video because Soundtrack credits are for songs which are not written specifically for that title, as the music video is created for the song, a Soundtrack credit wouldn't be eligible.
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There should be no Soundtrack credits on a music video

Personally, I feel that this policy should be changed. If I'm searching the soundtrack section for a particular song, I would fully expect the music video for that song to be included in the results.
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It would only make sense, in the fringe case of a music video containing soundtracks from another song or score entirely.
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Michelle, adding to what Jeorj Euler said, cases when music videos have more then one song in it exist. One example that is yet to added on IMDb is Kavinsky: Odd Look (2013), which contains earlier song "Nightcall" in the beginning of it. 
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So did I get this right (Music videos/IMDb):

- Artists/band members are ”acting”, so no him/herself credits. When e.g. Bono is appearing in the music video, the character name should be ”Bono” (unless he’s playing some specific character). No ”him/herself” credits, even when the artist/band is just playing on stage or the music video is edited from a real live footage.

- The person (or persons) who composed the song in the video (credits that are found e.g. from the CDs etc) - even when they don’t necessarily appear in the actual video - are added to ”Composer” section.

- The person (or persons) who wrote the lyrics for the song in the music video - even when they don’t necessarily appear in the actual video - are added to ”Music” department as ”lyricist”.

- Since most (not all, though) music videos doesn’t include real opening/end credits, the credits can be added without the ”uncredited” attribute. This (exception) only applies to music videos and commercials.

- All music videos are added as ”Video” (V).
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Eboy, some comments: 

-Bands are usually listed as Themselves, in most cases. Also, some music videos are bordering documentaries (usually live performances), so Himself is not entirely out of picture. 
-I'm not that sure about "(uncredited)" but some music videos on YouTube have full credits in descriptions. I think those can be added without attributes, as cases of "special thanks (uncredited)" which might arise will be too confusing. 
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The ”band” here means different band members that (usually, not always) appear in the music video, whether it’s playing, walking on the street, sitting in a restaurant etc. Like with U2, it would mean Bono, The Edge etc. The guide says that these should be added (in music videos, mind you) without him/herself. Or are you reading it differently?

Nothing personal here, but you kinda have a habit to steer the discussion into some exceptions, or exceptions to exceptions. I’m talking about the general guide for adding music videos to IMDb.

Example: in some music video for U2 (regardless of the ”style”, documentaries are not music videos so I’m not even go there), the names should be added as:
- Bono - - - - - (character) Bono (OR maybe something like ”MacPhisto”)
- The Edge - - - - - (character) The Edge

And about the ”uncredited” attribute. The question is (was) that are these attributes added for the music videos that doesn’t have credits? Believe me, many music videos doesn’t have credits and they certainly doesn’t (usually) have credits when they’re shown on MTV or other similar programs. Same thing with commercials, that certainly doesn’t have any real credits on TV. So it’s kinda a valid question: many music videos doesn’t have credits, but some have. What to do with ”uncredited” attributes?
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Eboy, you're totally right, but I'm talking about band as an entity having a separate credit, which it should if there is a collective. Although, I must admit, as we see in case of U2 themselves it's all over the place with some music videos ending up in Actor and some - in Himself category with "Themselves".

In cases of band, band name in the title is considered a credit in itself so every band member seen can and should be credited with an attribute "(as Band Name)", unless there's also a separate credit.  
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Of course it's always possible that it's just me who's confused, but I don’t fully follow? I mean this thread (and the IMDb guide) pretty clearly states that ”no him/herself” credits for music videos (TV series, news/talk shows, documentaries etc are another matter). Sure, this rule is clearly not that well implemented since the acting credits in IMDb (for music videos) probably include both ”acting” and ”him/herself” credits as we can see from e.g. U2. There are probably literally hundreds of similar examples.

But the guide says what it says.

It sounds a bit stretch to me that ”(as Band Name)” should be added to the attribute field if the name of the band is listed in the ”title”. I mean many music videos doesn’t really have a real on-screen ”title”. I crew up watching MTV (before it turned to s**t, that is) so at least I have a hunch what the music video is. Of course MTV usually had the artist/band name with the song title listed when the song started, but that (usually) wasn’t the actual on-screen title (perhaps it counts, though).
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Eboy, even though I've been contributing to IMDb for 9 years I won't pretend I am an expert on subject. Since music videos and commercials are a (more or less) recent addition to IMDb, there ought to be some things that are unclear in gudelines and they will be unclear for years.

I am already considering re-doing most of the music videos I've added myself: I can admit that I've added a few "soundtracks" which should be moved to "crew". Same will probably go for Themselves/Herself/Himself, althoguh I'm not entirely subscribed to that rule: it's clear that in some cases music videos should be treated on par with Documentaries and Reality, especially in cases of Live videos. 

What I'm saying is that "Band: Title" is usually there somewhere even music video has no credits per se, so if, for example, you see Queen: I'm Going Slightly Mad (1991), Queen will have some form of credit onscreen, usually. Btw cast on this one is riddled with "Himself" mistakes and I'm on that already. It wasn't there when I did a big re-write of that page, so it's someone's recent addition... Searching for a random example always results in more work...
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(as Band Name) attributes are supposed to be phased out. This is why the cast *and* name guidelines say:

If The Beatles are credited that way, we would not enter "Lennon, John (as The Beatles); McCartney, Paul (as The Beatles); Harrison, George (as The Beatles); Starr, Ringo (as The Beatles)" Instead, they would simply be credited as "Beatles, The".
https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...

The next paragraph says that you may add individual members as uncredited when a group is credited.
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Peter, thanks for clarification.  

Although, to be honest... Some of the rules pertaining credits in music videos does not seem logical at all, if you think about it. For example, Queen were known for signing their songs with the band name. By that rule they're uncredited, while band name is and it kind of makes little sense... Although this one applies only to cast credits, seemingly.   
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Hi Eboy,

Yes, a music video appearance is a "performance", therefore a character name is the best way to go. Please see this guide - https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/submitting-a-commercial-or-music-video/G75CJL7UUDSWV7U5?ref_=helpsrall#
An artist is playing a character in a music video as they are performing, and should not be listed as Himself/Herself which should be reserved for talk show appearances, documentaries etc. To reflect this the artist should be added with the character name as their own name, i.e. Ellie Goulding, unless playing a clearly defined character/s in the video i.e. Taylor Swift in the video You Belong with Me who is listed as Popular Cheerleader/Studious Bandmember. 

You may add these credits without the (uncredited) attribute. 

I hope this helps.

Thanks,

Will