New design - needs improvement

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I see that a new design is being used for title pages on IMDb, and hopefully this is just a test and not something that is going to be implemented for the long term.

 

I've circled a few of the more problematic areas of the new design.

Rather than appearing in the right-hand rail, the links to additional information now appear above the title. However, the active links (example circled in green above) now appear in light gray on a dark gray background, which is not particularly contrasting and will make it difficult for new users to find the information.

The inactive links (example circled in blue above) are even worse; they're dark gray on a slightly darker gray background. Granted, they are links to information that doesn't exist, but IMDb does want the information to eventually exist, so they shouldn't be so deeply relegated to the background.

Also, I've circled in red the series title for this television episode. The series title is in light gray on a dark gray background, and is only about half the size of the episode title, which is in white on the same dark gray background. I would recommend making the series title and episode title about equally prominent, rather than making the episode title much, much more prominent than the series title.

All told, I would prefer if this design change wasn't implemented at all, but if it is going to be implemented, I would prefer if the design would avoid the extensive use of gray on dark gray as shown above.
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gromit82,

I suspect that that you were the beneficiary (victim?!) of a test for a new title page format. When I selected the same page, I get what has been the format for a few months. I agree the "new" format is at best problematic. I find it more difficult to read.

 
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Dan: Thanks for posting the standard version of the page. In the standard version, the title of the episode is indeed larger than the title of the series, but the series title is helped to stand out because it is printed in blue on a white background (compared to black on a white background for the episode title).

If IMDb would set my title pages to look like the example posted by Dan above, I'd prefer it. 
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Out of curiosity, I checked the same link on Firefox, Google Chrome and Internet Explorer:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5143508/?ref_=tt_eps_cu_n

On Firefox and Google Chrome the page looks like what I posted. On Internet Explorer, the page looks like what gromit82 posted.
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Hi,
The look is also a taste affair, but please where the year issue.
We could see it before, but now we have only the date issue generally for our location, that not the year of the film (it's generally that of the country but not always).
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It's a question of functionality not taste- if it was about taste, some idiot would have made things even MORE unreadable and tasteless.
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Thanks for the feedback. The year will be added back into the title in the next design experiment update which should go live early next week. Also the roman numerals (where present) will be removed from their current location. 
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That doesn't help add the useful links such as the parents guide back to the main page. If I'm researching movies for kids (or a desire for something more adult) I have to click a dropdown menu every time. That's an extra click on every single movie. That is poor design.
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... That's an extra click on every single movie. That is poor design.
Poor design or not, some comparable design choices have been seen on some other major web properties, such as Google for example.  (Some time ago, Google removed a convenient sidebar of search options, and moved those options into menus that now require a couple of extra clicks.)

Personally, I wasn't a big fan of the IMDb "Quick Links" sidebar.  Quite often I wanted some of the other options that required a click to open the full sidebar, and then scrolling down.  (I would've liked to be able to customize  the Quick Links sidebar.)

I'm not a big fan of the new design either ... but FWIW, after that one click, all of the options are immediately available in a concise format, without having to scroll down to find them all.
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You have changed the design today. I still have access to my lists, but I cannot add more films to them. How do I do this??
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Yann learned me yesterday to use the grey "flag" with a + (to the left of the title)
BUT today there is no flag on my imdb-page
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uffe,
Are you seeing the old design again? Or is the "flag" missing from the new design?
This may be a bug....
A screenshot of what you are seeing would be helpful.
If you need help on how to take a screenshot, take a look at: http://www.take-a-screenshot.org/
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New title page.

I do not like this new title page. The old one was much simpler and easy to use. Please change it back to the old one.
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Well said Erick
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Thanks for the feedback. This is a limited test of a new title page design which is only being shown to some customers.  We are gathering data and feedback at the moment.  

Please add comments here if there are other issues.  The design team have been alerted to this thread.  
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The year the film was made has disappeared!  For example, I was just looking at "The Prize Winner of Defiance, Ohio" which in the old format would have had (2005) next to the title. Please put it back - this is essential information that should appear in the header.
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Thanks. This is a good catch of an interesting bug. We now display the full local release information just below the title, see the red highlight in the image below.  What has happened here is that Spain is the only country with a wide release date (and presumably you are not in Spain, I am not either) so we are (incorrectly) displaying that instead of falling back to the date of first release in the country of origin. 

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It may be a bug, but the fallback to the first wide date also occurs in the older title page views where you already display full dates.
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A ticket  has been filed separately for this issue.
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Yes, it does not matter as much there though because we are still displaying the earliest year in the title itself. 
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Thank god I had the new design only for about 30 minutes...here are my problems with it:

1. White/grey font on grey background (I really dislike grey as a background color and it's also much harder to read)
2. The links that used to be on the right side are added to the top. If I expand them, the whole left side (well, the main corpus) moves down, which is why I would have to scroll down a lot more if I wanted to read something below. In the old design, just the right side expanded for them to be displayed.
3. Way to much emphasis on the trailers, which take up the main space in the new design. I always thought that the trailer button is sufficient.
3. The ratings and reviews are seperated (user rating moved to the top - without the classic 10 stars; and the user/metascore reviews are moved to the bottom. I even have to scroll down to see them.)
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Hi Col-  I am one of the people who is being shown the new design, and I was wondering how the feedback will be collected, as there is currently no provision for submitting it.  Also, an "opt out" option would give you more immediate reactions to the new design.

Thanks
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This is the feedback thread :-)

This is just an experiment being shown to a percentage of users.  We do this all the time. This one is a little more visible since it affects a key page and is a follow-up to smaller experiments so it is a little bigger than a normal experiment.  We do not offer opt-outs because that would spoil the results. 

Some of the things we are testing are larger video slate placements and improving design consistency between the desktop web site / mobile apps. 
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Thanks for the reply, Col.

If this is the feedback thread, then I'll reinforce the opinion that more contrast between text and background would be beneficial.

Although I'm not a user of the mobile app, that was the impression I got from this design change- make as much available as possible through the use of dropdown menus on the initial view, without having to scroll.  Since I view the suite on a larger screen, that's not an issue for me.

Thanks for your time.
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This can't be an experiment. Explain then how come people who don't have IMDb accounts still see the new design? I have friends who always browse IMDb as visitors and they see the new page layout, I did a little survey today. So, how is it possible?

And, please, go back to the previous look, this is horrible! Please, give back the year next to movie title, the rating where it used to be, plot summary where it used to be, and remove the unnecessary large trailer! Since when the trailer is the main element? This is not youtube!

I really hope someone will listen.

(Sorry for my English, not my native tongue)
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I'm in COMPLETE agreement with the majority of posters to this thread. The new design is just AWFUL- it's extremely confusing to read/navigate, while the use of a grey background effectively hides the information rather than giving it prominence.

Please reinstate the original design- there was absolutely nothing wrong with it whatsoever! Familiarity with the webpages are the key to them being easy to use & redesigning them is going to cause problems for, or put a LOT of account holders off using the site.

It's as if someone had entered your home and rearranged the furniture- it'll take a LONG time to get used to it(if ever).

If the web-designer is bored and/or has time to spare- then they'd be better off updating actual information rather than making such obvious and radical alterations to the existing design. Subtle as a brick.
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@ Col Needham.

If the new design is the best the IMDB web design 'team' can come up with[surely you don't mean it took a number of people to introduce this nonsense?] then I'd suggest sending them back to Art school to learn some fundamental basics regarding design(for example; effective use of colour; text/image layout; and how to communicate information). Or else sack the lot of them and employ one individual who recognises the relevance of these key elements.
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The new title layout appears even when I'm not logged in. I cleared my browser's cache but it remains. Seems broader than a limited test. I'm not against the new design—I think for obvious reasons the title should stand out, and the drop-down navigation for the various sections is good. And this is a new era of portable electronic devices. However:

1) The gray-on-gray was a poor choice, in my humble opinion, and the title pages are beginning to look like a patchwork quilt or the MySpace page of a 13-year-old girl. Was it such a stretch for the designer to stick with a uniform background color throughout, and to give the title pages some continuity and flow?

2) Votes. The "from 'X' users" now appears simply as an isolated, denominator-like number in the title bar. Zero context, especially for new users.

3) Identifier (the (I), (II), (III), etc.) Similarly, it's shuffled to a new line like putting Baby in a corner in Dirty Dancing. I never was a fan of the prominent Roman numerals, anyway, but similar to the vote total I'm wondering if there's any context when it's all on its own after a vertical line.

4) Trailer. Information (this is, after all, a database) was pushed down the page in order to make room for what is essentially a cigarette pack-sized button. The trailer opens in the same fashion as before, in a new window. So, when a user watches the trailer once, what does that button image become other than an enormous space waster in prime real estate?

5) Did the poster size shrink or am I imagining it? Maybe the background color is throwing me off. I assume if the allotted poster area did shrink, the price to include one will similarly follow suit?  :)

6) Gray. Bad. Can't stress it enough.

In closing, I just want to take a second to congratulate Col and his hardworking team on another successful year, and all the best moving forward!
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I really do prefer the old design. 
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I'll cast my vote on the older format.  I do not like the new test page at all.
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Has anyone complained about when making changed to lists, you have to do it twice in order for the change to take effect?  It's been like this on my account for around a year now.
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*changes
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I have major concern regarding the new design regarding readability, especially for people who are visually impaired. Since I am primarily using Firefox, I am not currently affected. However, I have a hard time reading much of the text since gray on black does not offer sufficient contrast.

Speaking from personal experience, gray on back is particularly challenging for people with cataracts. Fortunately, I've had cataract surgery, but I still find it more difficult to read than the current design.

This also appears to be in direct violation of the American Disabilities Act.

http://apps.americanbar.org/litigation/committees/employment/articles/spring2013-0613-website-access...

Individuals with vision impairments can have significant barriers to web access. This is because many websites provide information visually, without features that allow screen readers or other assistive technology to retrieve information on the site so that it can be presented in an accessible manner. The most common barrier to website accessibility is an image or a photograph without corresponding text describing the image. A screen reader or similar assistive technology cannot "read" an image, leaving individuals who are blind with no way of independently knowing what information the image conveys (e.g., a simple graphic or a link to another page). Similarly, complex websites can lack navigational headings or links that would facilitate navigation using a screen reader or may contain tables with header and row identifiers that display data, but do not provide associated cells for each header and row so that the table information can be interpreted by a screen reader.

Online forms, which are a critical part of accessing goods and services on many websites, can be inaccessible to individuals with disabilities. For example, field elements on forms (the empty boxes that hold specific pieces of information, such as a last name or a telephone number) may lack clear labels, and visual CAPTCHAs (Completely Automated Public Turing Test to tell Computers and Humans Apart; distorted text that must be inputted by a website user to verify that a web submission is being completed by a human rather than a computer) may make it difficult for persons using screen readers to make purchases, submit donations, and otherwise interact with a website. These barriers obviously can impede the ability of individuals with disabilities to fully enjoy the goods, services, and programs offered on the web by entities covered under Titles II and III of the ADA. Accessibility of Web Information and Services of State and Local Government Entities Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, 75 Fed. Reg. 43,460, at 43,463 (proposed July 26, 2010) (to be codified at 28 C.F.R. pts. 35 and 36).

Creating Accessible Websites
http://www.afb.org/info/programs-and-services/technology-evaluation/creating-accessible-websites/123

The Internet is tremendously important in our daily lives, including the lives of people who are blind or visually impaired. We check the news, sports, weather, and stocks engage in social networking, and make banking transactions and travel plans alongside fully sighted friends.

Not every website, however, is optimally designed for use by web surfers with visual impairments. When a website is built without regard to proper web design, they become inaccessible by people with vision loss who use access technology.

Everyone Benefits From Accessible Websites

The same good techniques that make web pages accessible to those of us who use access technology benefit users of other devices as well. For example, people with slower Internet connections and those using devices such as cell phones or tablets that have smaller screens.

Learning About Accessible Web Design

If you are serious about making your web site accessible, the most valuable resource available is the website of the Web Access Initiative (WAI), part of the World Wide Web Consortium. There you'll find guidelines for making web pages along with explanations and techniques. The content guidelines are found at www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/.

You will also find valuable help in this web accessibility area of the AFB website. Learn about:

Questions & Answers about Blindness and Vision Impairments in the Workplace and the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/qa_vision.cfm
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Dan,
Your points regarding legibility are well taken. I will investigate...
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Yann, Thank you.
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Dan,
We've adjusted the contrast of the primary (e.g solid white) and secondary (e.g. light grey) text to meet the standards described in the WCAG 2.0, Level AA, “Contrast (Minimum): Understanding Success Criterion 1.4.3.” We also bumped up the contrast of the tertiary/inactive text (e.g. the dark grey used in quick links for items with no data). However, these do not meet the contrast criteria for legibility. In this case, legibility was considered a secondary function since they are primarily meant to represent an in-active/disabled state. Note: Hovering over these "inactive" links brings them into contrast ratio compliance.
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Yann,

I'm in the second half of the beta test. I plan to fully review the current implementation and post my review when I've completed it.

Thank you for pointing this out. I would not have guessed this a priori.

I did notice that the contrast is slightly better. Hovering over the linked items does help.
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It has become painfully obvious that IMDb rushed this incomplete (and not really an improvement) mess in to service and that a large number of regular users and "fans" of are not pleased.

Let this be a lesson to the suits . . . don't mess with success!

A little tweak here and there . . . OK . . . but a complete overhaul when all it needed was a new set of windshield wiper blades is a bit on the overkill side of the ledger PLUS . . . it stinks.

Just put it back and . . . try again right after the next moon landing.

Cheers!

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[Yann wrote]
"... tertiary/inactive text (e.g. the dark grey used in quick links for items with no data) ... do not meet the contrast criteria for legibility. In this case, legibility was considered a secondary function since they are primarily meant to represent an in-active/disabled state."
"Disabled"?  Pardon if I interpret that term too literally.  A sub-page that simply contains "no data" is not "disabled".  The link to that sub-page will appear in the low-contrast state, but the link is not "disabled".

When a data sub-page contains "no data" (and the link to it is in the low-contrast state), you might ask: Why would anyone want to visit that sub-page?  Well, perhaps a contributor might want to visit it, intending to use that sub-page's specific update menu to add some new data there.

Likewise, when a title's message board has no posts (and the "Message Board" link is in the low-contrast state), you might ask: Why would anyone want to visit an empty board?  To post the first message there, that's why!

So, there are legitimate reasons why people sometimes visit sub-pages that do not yet contain data.  I therefore opine that the links to such pages should ideally be designed for "legibility" (ideally complying with the WCAG contrast criteria that Yann mentioned), if that would not be impractical.  ... Just my opinion.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Get back the year WITH the title on top, please. Ex. "Star Trek" is ambiguous, "S....

Get back the year WITH the title on top, please. Ex. "Star Trek" is ambiguous, "Star Trek (2009)" is not.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New design - where's the YEAR?.

New design - where's the YEAR? (I'm getting release year in Sweden, yes, I'm in Sweden but who cares about Swedish release - one wants to know the official year the film was made!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New version of the page is really sucks.
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As a thought exercise, I made a private temporary sketch of a layout that would deal with the navigation links in a way that I might like.  Starting with the existing (old) default layout, I widened the main title information area (the area with the poster and the information alongside the poster), giving that area about 800 pixels of width and adjusting its layout a little bit.  Then I stuffed all the necessary nav links into a four-line box below that area.  That would make sense to me, grouping all the nav links there.  Then there's no need to open a sidebar (as in the old layout) or a "More" overlay menu (as in the new layout) to find all the nav links.  They'd all be displayed openly in a tight group, easy to view at a glance and quick to click.
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I think that it's cool to have a relaxed work environment, but they should stop letting IMDB workers drink on the job.  No sober person would change the old display to this new one.
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I think that it's cool to have a relaxed work environment, but they should stop letting IMDB workers drink on the job.  No sober person would change the old display to this new one.
Randy, I'm lucky I was not eating or consuming a beverage while reading your post, otherwise, my laptop would not have survived the expulsion. <wink>
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@RamuelSpirit,

Much as I dislike the proposed design as currently presented, the IMDb web design staff have legitimate reasons to consider an updated design for IMDb pages to:
1) Attract new users.
2) Facilitate typical use of IMDb
3) Allow for updated features.

As regular users of IMDb we have the responsibility to offer constructive advise on how best to make and implement these changes. Simply offering an option to stay with a given format is not a solution, it is an avenue for added website complexity and associated support issues.

When I look at any new web design I ask myself:
1) Does the new design make the site easier to use?
2) Does the new design make the site easier to read?
3) Is navigation logical and consistent?
4) Is the new design attractive and appealing?
5) Can I explain how to use the website to someone who is challenged by technology?
6) Does the new design offer useful new or improved features?
7) Does the new design retain frequently used or critical features?
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I agree that updates can be useful, and improve the experience of the site.  But changing just for the sake of change is not an improvement.  Your first 3 reasons for an update are valid, but we have no way to know what reasons IMDB might change things (for example a code change to improved page loading ).  However, your 7 questions are what the users would consider.  I emphatically answer NO to all 7 of you questions.  Good list.
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randy,

Thanks for the feedback and the straight line. I tend to agree that the new design does not seem to offer any tangible improvement. However, I've not had the opportunity to fully explore the new design, so I will withhold judgement.

I wrote the criteria so we as a user community remain focused on offering constructive advice to make a great website even better.

Finally, I learned humility regarding web development when I lead a disastrous development effort for an internal corporate website 15 years ago.
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I agree with randy, the majority of these questions (1, 2, 4, 6 and maybe 7) can be answered with "no".
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The answer to these questions will be determined quantitatively by looking at the engagement mertics we are gathering from running this test. It will take a least 4 weeks for the data to become statistically significant, at which point we'll know for certain.
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The answer to these questions will be determined quantitatively by looking at the engagement metrics ....
I assume that a majority of users may quietly accept such redesigns without complaint.  Will that suffice to satisfy a quantitative evaluation?

(I guess this may be how some other major web properties have sometimes settled on controversial redesigns.  Vocal minorities of users may complain but perhaps the large majority might appear to have no problems with the changes.)
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"Nobody" hits the nail on the head with the statements above.  This is similar to the risk aversion problem: in an attempt to keep a small vocal group from complaining, you alienate the larger (mostly quieter) majority.  Ever been on a plane or in a confined group?  Most everyone will be made slightly unhappy to keep one person from being very unhappy.
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I use to old IMDb design this is so bad 
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How do you get back the old design?
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Lars,

Try using Firefox or Google Chrome. The "current" version is still in place for those browsers. The "new" version is in place for Internet Explorer.

You could also set your user profile to use the legacy title formats.
On your "Site Preference" page (https://secure.imdb.com/register-imdb/siteprefs), either:
1. Select Always display full cast and crew credits under Title pages.
2. Select Show reference view (old title/name page layout)  under General.

The staff may also be able to exclude your account from the test.
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It is a test, but the browser differences that Dan mentions do not apply in general.
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Then why mention them if they don't generally apply? That's just a waste of time isn't it?
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Doesn't matter what browser I use, it's still the same for me...
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@Michael David
Then why mention them if they don't generally apply? That's just a waste of time isn't it?
I'm not certain whether you are referring to my comment. If you did: when I posted about the Firefox and Google Chrome browsers, I made the baseless assumption that this these browsers were excluded form the test. Peter, corrected my misstatement.

Peter wrote:
It is a test, but the browser differences that Dan mentions do not apply in general.
@RamuelSpirit
I have tried all possible browsers but all see the gray background with white writing...
This is not a test anymore ....
This is still a test. Only a limited number of users are affected by this test.

Col Needham wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. This is a limited test of a new title page design which is only being shown to some customers.  We are gathering data and feedback at the moment.  

Please add comments here if there are other issues.  The design team have been alerted to this thread.
Yann wrote:
The answer to these questions will be determined quantitatively by looking at the engagement mertics we are gathering from running this test. It will take a least 4 weeks for the data to become statistically significant, at which point we'll know for certain.
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Thx everyone for your ideas+ and feedback.
 
This part is in response to Dan Dassow: I've been using Firefox, so... next, I tried changing the preferences as you suggested--only thing is now either the IMDB website people changed up the look again or I've somehow managed to get faaaaaar away from what I'm hoping to see, which is pretty simple, actually...

Okay, hold on, wait a minute, I just went to look at what I changed/checked off in my preferences and NOW I'm seeing the view I like (picture, title, rating, blurb, pics, the "if you like this you might like these" blurb, cast listing, etc.) Okay, so I "Grabbed" a photo of it and I'm attaching it for a visual reference... i guess either the gods/goddesses of imdb smiled upon me and i've got good karma here or i somehow lucked out and stumbled upon the way to make my view a happy one or i owe you, Dan Dassow, many thanks, so THANK YOU Dan, the powers that be at IMDB, and of course me, myself...
Have a fun day, everyone!
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BTW, did i mention how much i love IMDB? I LOVE THIS SITE, IMDB TOTALLY ROCKS!!!
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I concur! I'm sorry to say but I do really hate the new design of the title header. Now you don't get the overview as before and the original rating bar was really useful in order to decide whenever you want to watch the movie or not and it was easy to give feedback.

If the intention is to make this the default design, please add an option to get back the original design which was way better!

Pretty please with sugar on top !! ;-)
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Thanks in advance!



Ps...
Please listen to the imdb users before you let in a "design guru" to go bananas on the site and secondly, please focus on functionality before you start playing around.
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Michael David

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Lars- the voice of reason- I DO hope your comments are heeded! Well said.
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Sarine Voltage

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New IMDB page setup (WHY?!).

The IMDB set-up was AWESOME if not PERFECT! Why change something that (probably after years of experimentation) is set up in an easy-to-use-and-navigate manner, most likely the best way it can possibly be--and trade it for a less-than-average/under-par setup?! LOVED the former set-up, this new one SUCKS and is not easy to navigate or user friendly! Why feed some website-designer's ego ('specially when their work is obviously "less than"), feed your users/customers! Thank you!
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That's what people said the last time they changed the layout.
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Sarine Voltage

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I'm not dissing change itself, I'm down with change--that is, if the change is an improvement, making life smoother/easier and NOT more annoying/frustrating. When I take minutes of my precious time to post or email about someone or something (like this), it's either so awful or so awesome that it really demands attention...

What i find most aggravating with this set-up is the placement of a video right at the top of the page, so if you're jamming around (like me), the mouse dragging across the page inevitably engages the "play" button, THEN as you wait a moment for the spinning circle to stop, some stupid ad pops up instead and you're more than annoyed now because more clicks are required of YOU and it's all so unnecessary and kind of ridiculous...
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I TOTALLY agree with your opinion- I hope the original design is reinstated.
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Dan Dassow, Champion

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@Peter
That's what people said the last time they changed the layout.
I agree. That is why I will withhold judgement about the change in general until I've had a chance to benchmark the proposed "new" version.
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This The missing release year is a fairly disastrous deal breaker for me.  That year is PART OF THE TITLE on your site.  It's what differentiates movies with the same title.  The year you are showing does not always match the official release year.  At minimum, this must be fixed.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled IMDb contact email address?.

regards
how i can contact IMDb via email?
i justt want to say/in this case ''write''/ that older look of titles was better with year of release/for exemple after title writen ''2015''/ and also was much better runtime/for exemple ''90 min''/ than 1h30min but ok you can also post 90min and 1h30min but put year of rlease
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I believe enough people have raised their concerns with the new design. I'm not adding to it but I must plead not to implement it at all. It looks good without it & a change seems unnecessary in here.
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Michael David

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The more people complain about the new design the better and the more likely IMDB is to take notice. You're encouraging people not to bother commenting by making that statement.
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@Michael David
The more people complain about the new design the better and the more likely IMDB is to take notice. You're encouraging people not to bother commenting by making that statement.
I agree in principle. The web design staff need constructive criticism on what works and what does not work.

@Arun Regi Alex
If you have concerns and/or suggestions regarding the proposed "new" title page format, please express them in this thread.
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It's not that I don't have constructive criticism but it's already being addressed by multiple persons. While me commenting might add weight to the seriousness of the matter, I really don't see a point in it. I commented in layman terms because they need to know how an average IMDB user feels about the proposed change.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Suggestion: Implement user settings and a slight rework of the movie page layout.

I like the new look for movie pages, though there are a couple of changes I seriously disagree with. Adding the trailer next to the poster for example, it clutters up the top of the page and pushes the synopsis and Director/writer/actor information underneath and the movie poster to the side where it's much smaller.

I also don't understand the change from min (150min) to hrs & mins (2hrs 30min). I think it should be an optional toggle between one or the other. Speaking of options, I made a crude image of what I think the movie page layout should be. 



The settings menu appears when you click the little cogwheel by the username. You can change things about what things look like and the ratings, which many people have said isn't very good. Being able to specifiy who's ratings you want to see would make it a lot better.

Not showing 1 or 10 ratings can filter out haters trying to lower the rating and fanboys trying to raise it. Not allowing a certain user can get rid any trolls/idiots you run into, which happens a lot on the forums. Not using a certain demographic can filter out people who wouldn't like that type of movie anyway, for instance Titanic has an 8.6 ratings from girls under 18 but only a 7.2 from males 30 - 44. If your a 30 - 44 year old male then you don't want all these under 18 girls telling you how amazing the movie is.

While I think I made the poster a tad big in my suggestion, just a little smaller than that is the perfect size for the poster. The trailer is available to see right underneath it in the 'videos' section. So what's the point of it cluttering everything up when it's already available right there?

Thanks for reading.
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It's RUBBISH. I have to disagree with your opinion of it.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled I do not like the new format..

Please put back the production year of a movie next to the movie title at the top of the page.
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This design is horrible beside of dark background deforms posters . Here a example :

 

If click on poster all is normal :


You can call this an improvement ?! 
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Yann

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OpHaNiM,
the problem here is that this poster isn't sized to match the industry standard set for one-sheets. See: http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?photosspecs
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Where is the quick message board on the right: 



Now is even hard to find , i ensure you most dont know there is an extension button ..... why you complicate things if already was a fine design simple and efficient !!!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New design is TERRIBLE!!!.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE reinstate the original WHITE background(& send the designer back to art school- grey background indeed. Absolutely HOPELESS!)
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tnkx RamuelSpirit,

i have been using IMDb on a daily basis for 15 years & never knew there was a "Site Settings " option.

learn something new every day !!!

tnkx again
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Suddenly I got back the new "terrible" design once again :-(  Did this happen to anyone else as well?

IMDB Staff: Please Please Please remove the desgin for my account lars-155.
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Thank you very much in advance!
Regards, Lars.
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Lars, yes, the new design seems to be back for most people.
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UPDATE:

The new page design won our A/B test and is being rolled out incrementally to all.

I'm sorry to hear that many of you are troubled by this update. Many of your concerns have been addressed in the last few weeks, and more are in the queue.

That said, the most productive way to help guide future direction would be to provide constructive criticism on how to improve the =new= design. Returning to the old design is not an option.

Regards,
Yann
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Then I repeat: How do I add new films and my comments to my lists?
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Yann . . . what's the point of the new design other than to be different (and "new")?  Old adage:  "If it ain't broke . . . don't fix it."  You computer/internet geeks just can't let well enough alone . . . always trying to make things better.  Who asked you?  Apparently nobody did!
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Uffe,
You access the list drop down by mousing over the "watchlist" toggle immediately to the left of the title.



Comments are added at the list level in "edit" mode.
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I want to add here that in these kind of scenarios, generally criticism is over represented and acceptance is under represented, because obviously those who like d change will not specially come over to this site to express their acceptance.
I am one of those guys who, in d past, disliked d change, but now I like it, as I can access many things like "full cast & crew" without scrolling down.
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I will like to emphasise here Yann that though u r saying going to old design is not an option, but still it will be better for all, if atleast u people can put some facility to go back to d old design(perhaps in d settings)
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Yann

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Charlie,
No disrespect, but the old adage:  "If it ain't broke . . . don't fix it."  is about being good or average.

The biggest problem with just being good enough is you never get =better= you just keep going along being average.

Our guiding principle is more along the lines of "Getting better all the time." Processes/features/designs are constantly evaluated (using both qualitative and quantitative data) tested, and improved upon in light of their efficiency, effectiveness and flexibility.

IMDb strives to achieve greatness.
Being good enough just isn't good enough.

Regards,
Yann
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Yann  . . . thanks for the reply . . . it's nice to know that there is a human being on the other end . . . once in a while.

Who asked you to "get better"?

I doubt if you got as much negative reaction to your previous design as your are now to this "new and (not so) improved" version.

You have a great service . . . I use it daily . . . but you've added in an unnecessary annoyance factor.

It's your site . . . do what you want . . . but it sure likes a lot of your loyal "customers" are not happy.

Cheers!


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. . . it sure LOOKS like a lot . . .
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It's your site . . . do what you want . . . but it sure likes a lot of your loyal "customers" are not happy
About six weeks ago we started to show 50% of users the new design and kept 50% on the old design (this is when the thread here started).  We listened to feedback and we made adjustments along the way. We observed all of the key metrics: the 50% of people on the new design all showed positive gains in terms of how they interact with IMDb compared to those on the old design.  People on the new design were more likely to stay on the site to explore further and not bounce off to somewhere else; they were more likely to watch the trailer; they more easily discovered the related content to the title and so on.  

Harder to measure but just as important, there is also more consistency between the IMDb mobile apps and the web site. This makes it easier for customers to use IMDb wherever they may be located and move between interfaces.  
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Col Needham . . . no point in "us folks" arguing . . . you have you mind made up to do it your way while making us believe that it's really better.  OK fine.

I'll still used IMDB . . . and recommend it . . . but I don't like it as much now as I once did.


KISS!

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Charlie,
Having been here for several major redesigns (over 6+ years), I can confidently state that we've received =less= negative feedback this time around... and that the feedback has been considerably more constructive and less vitriolic. Although, to be fair we didn't have Get Satisfaction then. All of the feedback was received via the message boards, where emotions do tend to run a bit higher. ;-)

-Yann
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Yann . . . I've been online since the dark ages . . . the 1990's . . . and I've seen segment-leading websites self destruct in the name of progress.  Since IMDB (more or less) has a lock on this category, it looks like you guys can do as you damn well please and, other that cheese a bunch of loyalists off, dance on in to the sunset.

I'm done "complaining" . . . waste of my time.

Cheers!

Charlie

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... =less= negative feedback ... Although, to be fair we didn't have Get Satisfaction then. All of the feedback was received via the message boards, where emotions do tend to run a bit higher. ;-)
That, and there may also be greater numbers of people participating more actively on the regular boards, as compared to GS.

(For example, if you'll recall the Emoji-related discussions some time ago, you may remember that the related thread on the IMDb Information board attracted hundreds of replies and got locked due to overflow; while the GetSatisfaction discussions on the same topic had somewhat lower levels of activity.)
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IMDb is the best Movie (& TV Series) information site on the planet.

Although i was not happy with the change, i have accepted it.

I review movies on a WaReZ forum & find IMDb indispensable !!!

I visit IMDb (at least) 100 times a day.

My girls went from being children to being adults, , my address has changed many times over the years, my cats have died & been replaced, I have divorced 2 wives...

if I can accept all this, I can accept a format change on IMDb.

"Role with the punches" & appreciate all the hard work that goes into making IMDb the best movies information site on the net.

I can not conceive what it takes to run & constantly update a site of this magnitude.



 
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Just because it is a great site, does not rule out their capability of being stupid on occasion.

This is one of those occasions!

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This is for Yann. I understood and used your instruction. Worked OK. But this morning I didnt get the picture, I used yesterday (like the one in your instructions). I have access to my lists, but no possibility to add to them.
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I have heard some Imdb professionals/employees here arguing against 'If it ain't broken, don't fix' philosophy. While I agree with his arguments against this philosophy that we should strive for improvement and progress, and sticking with that philosophy stops progress and improvement, I do have to say something.
His argument for improvement would have been totally justified if Imdb didn't have any other issues. I am wondering that with so many open issues, why the Imdb management is not trying to fix those first, make the website bug/issue/error free, and then think about improving something which is working fine and is issue-free.
Just wanted to mention on a side-note, that I do like the new design except the only fact that now I have to scroll down everytime to read the plot summary on a movie page with trailer.
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Previously, it was easy to add a film to my Watch list. Now I get the feeling IMDb is trying to do away with it. It has been my primary reason for using the site.
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It's the plus sign beside the movie title.  That's how you add it to your watchlist.
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I agree, extremely confusing, hard to find the place to rate the films, to add to your lists etc
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If IMDb wants to fix something, how about fixing the fact that when you navigate to an individual's credits, then go back, you NEVER get back to where you just were! Instead, you accidentally get taken you to the person's first section of credits, and opens that up.

For example, I was just looking up John Carpenter's directing credits.  I clicked on a specific film and checked it out.  Fine so far.  But then, where it took me back to?  His MUSIC credits!  His first category at the top of the page.. exactly what I DIDN'T want to see!

Lousy, bad design.  Terrible.  Simply not acceptable for the most important movie database in the history of the world!
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Aesthetics over functionality seems to be what IMDb is trying to achieve.

When it don't work FIX IT. Don't paint over it.
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Absolutely despise the new design. Rating and/or adding movies to my watchlist were simple one-click processes. Now you've added an unnecessary step to rating and hidden the add-to-watchlist button on another page. Boo, IMDB. Why do internet companies always insist on "fixing" what isn't broken?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Watch your views drop off - hard to view trailers now. Whey do people want to cha....

Watch your views drop off - hard to view trailers now. Whey do people want to change what isn't broken?
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Exactly.  Fix what needs fixing, leave well enough alone.  As far as the title pages go, I absolutely HATE the movie titles being in white on a black background now, and don't know why the rating is over to the right.  And what's with the stupid PLUS sign?  Are we supposed to automatically know what pressing that is gonna do?

If IMDb wants to fix something, how about fixing the fact that when you navigate to an individual's credits, then go back, you NEVER get back to where you just were! Instead, you accidentally get taken you to the person's first section of credits, and opens that up.

For example, I was just looking up John Carpenter's directing credits.  I clicked on a specific film and checked it out.  Fine so far.  But then, where it took me back to?  His MUSIC credits!  His first category at the top of the page.. exactly what I DIDN'T want to see!

So now I've gotta CLOSE the music category, scroll back down to the directing section, and open that back up!  How much more stupid and awkward could a design possibly be?!?!?!  And it probably could be fixed in about 10 seconds.  

So how about it, IMDb?  You think maybe you could leave alone what works absolutely fine, and fix the things that are broken?!   What do you say?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled I do not like the way you make us access movie trailers now. I hope enough people....

I do not like the way you make us access movie trailers now. I hope enough people like me express their dissatisfaction with your new system so that you can se the "error of your ways".
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I see what you're doing -- emphasizing the poster and trailers more so it's easier and more obvious to to play the trailer.

But in so doing, important information like the rating has been pushed to the side, and the title font is white-on-gray.  On top of that you've got this stupid "PLUS" symbol that shows the person's lists... something I consider far less important that info about the film itself.
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Please put the production year back next to the title, and on the topic grey background: The inactive Links in the menu are a bit too dark, also: In the (Android) App you can't see the rating stars until you select one!

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