New design - needs improvement

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I see that a new design is being used for title pages on IMDb, and hopefully this is just a test and not something that is going to be implemented for the long term.

 

I've circled a few of the more problematic areas of the new design.

Rather than appearing in the right-hand rail, the links to additional information now appear above the title. However, the active links (example circled in green above) now appear in light gray on a dark gray background, which is not particularly contrasting and will make it difficult for new users to find the information.

The inactive links (example circled in blue above) are even worse; they're dark gray on a slightly darker gray background. Granted, they are links to information that doesn't exist, but IMDb does want the information to eventually exist, so they shouldn't be so deeply relegated to the background.

Also, I've circled in red the series title for this television episode. The series title is in light gray on a dark gray background, and is only about half the size of the episode title, which is in white on the same dark gray background. I would recommend making the series title and episode title about equally prominent, rather than making the episode title much, much more prominent than the series title.

All told, I would prefer if this design change wasn't implemented at all, but if it is going to be implemented, I would prefer if the design would avoid the extensive use of gray on dark gray as shown above.
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gromit82,

I suspect that that you were the beneficiary (victim?!) of a test for a new title page format. When I selected the same page, I get what has been the format for a few months. I agree the "new" format is at best problematic. I find it more difficult to read.

 
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That doesn't help add the useful links such as the parents guide back to the main page. If I'm researching movies for kids (or a desire for something more adult) I have to click a dropdown menu every time. That's an extra click on every single movie. That is poor design.
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... That's an extra click on every single movie. That is poor design.
Poor design or not, some comparable design choices have been seen on some other major web properties, such as Google for example.  (Some time ago, Google removed a convenient sidebar of search options, and moved those options into menus that now require a couple of extra clicks.)

Personally, I wasn't a big fan of the IMDb "Quick Links" sidebar.  Quite often I wanted some of the other options that required a click to open the full sidebar, and then scrolling down.  (I would've liked to be able to customize  the Quick Links sidebar.)

I'm not a big fan of the new design either ... but FWIW, after that one click, all of the options are immediately available in a concise format, without having to scroll down to find them all.
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You have changed the design today. I still have access to my lists, but I cannot add more films to them. How do I do this??
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Yann learned me yesterday to use the grey "flag" with a + (to the left of the title)
BUT today there is no flag on my imdb-page
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uffe,
Are you seeing the old design again? Or is the "flag" missing from the new design?
This may be a bug....
A screenshot of what you are seeing would be helpful.
If you need help on how to take a screenshot, take a look at: http://www.take-a-screenshot.org/
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New title page.

I do not like this new title page. The old one was much simpler and easy to use. Please change it back to the old one.
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Well said Erick
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I have major concern regarding the new design regarding readability, especially for people who are visually impaired. Since I am primarily using Firefox, I am not currently affected. However, I have a hard time reading much of the text since gray on black does not offer sufficient contrast.

Speaking from personal experience, gray on back is particularly challenging for people with cataracts. Fortunately, I've had cataract surgery, but I still find it more difficult to read than the current design.

This also appears to be in direct violation of the American Disabilities Act.

http://apps.americanbar.org/litigation/committees/employment/articles/spring2013-0613-website-access...

Individuals with vision impairments can have significant barriers to web access. This is because many websites provide information visually, without features that allow screen readers or other assistive technology to retrieve information on the site so that it can be presented in an accessible manner. The most common barrier to website accessibility is an image or a photograph without corresponding text describing the image. A screen reader or similar assistive technology cannot "read" an image, leaving individuals who are blind with no way of independently knowing what information the image conveys (e.g., a simple graphic or a link to another page). Similarly, complex websites can lack navigational headings or links that would facilitate navigation using a screen reader or may contain tables with header and row identifiers that display data, but do not provide associated cells for each header and row so that the table information can be interpreted by a screen reader.

Online forms, which are a critical part of accessing goods and services on many websites, can be inaccessible to individuals with disabilities. For example, field elements on forms (the empty boxes that hold specific pieces of information, such as a last name or a telephone number) may lack clear labels, and visual CAPTCHAs (Completely Automated Public Turing Test to tell Computers and Humans Apart; distorted text that must be inputted by a website user to verify that a web submission is being completed by a human rather than a computer) may make it difficult for persons using screen readers to make purchases, submit donations, and otherwise interact with a website. These barriers obviously can impede the ability of individuals with disabilities to fully enjoy the goods, services, and programs offered on the web by entities covered under Titles II and III of the ADA. Accessibility of Web Information and Services of State and Local Government Entities Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, 75 Fed. Reg. 43,460, at 43,463 (proposed July 26, 2010) (to be codified at 28 C.F.R. pts. 35 and 36).

Creating Accessible Websites
http://www.afb.org/info/programs-and-services/technology-evaluation/creating-accessible-websites/123

The Internet is tremendously important in our daily lives, including the lives of people who are blind or visually impaired. We check the news, sports, weather, and stocks engage in social networking, and make banking transactions and travel plans alongside fully sighted friends.

Not every website, however, is optimally designed for use by web surfers with visual impairments. When a website is built without regard to proper web design, they become inaccessible by people with vision loss who use access technology.

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The same good techniques that make web pages accessible to those of us who use access technology benefit users of other devices as well. For example, people with slower Internet connections and those using devices such as cell phones or tablets that have smaller screens.

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If you are serious about making your web site accessible, the most valuable resource available is the website of the Web Access Initiative (WAI), part of the World Wide Web Consortium. There you'll find guidelines for making web pages along with explanations and techniques. The content guidelines are found at www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/.

You will also find valuable help in this web accessibility area of the AFB website. Learn about:

Questions & Answers about Blindness and Vision Impairments in the Workplace and the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/qa_vision.cfm
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Yann, Thank you.
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Dan,
We've adjusted the contrast of the primary (e.g solid white) and secondary (e.g. light grey) text to meet the standards described in the WCAG 2.0, Level AA, “Contrast (Minimum): Understanding Success Criterion 1.4.3.” We also bumped up the contrast of the tertiary/inactive text (e.g. the dark grey used in quick links for items with no data). However, these do not meet the contrast criteria for legibility. In this case, legibility was considered a secondary function since they are primarily meant to represent an in-active/disabled state. Note: Hovering over these "inactive" links brings them into contrast ratio compliance.
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Yann,

I'm in the second half of the beta test. I plan to fully review the current implementation and post my review when I've completed it.

Thank you for pointing this out. I would not have guessed this a priori.

I did notice that the contrast is slightly better. Hovering over the linked items does help.
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It has become painfully obvious that IMDb rushed this incomplete (and not really an improvement) mess in to service and that a large number of regular users and "fans" of are not pleased.

Let this be a lesson to the suits . . . don't mess with success!

A little tweak here and there . . . OK . . . but a complete overhaul when all it needed was a new set of windshield wiper blades is a bit on the overkill side of the ledger PLUS . . . it stinks.

Just put it back and . . . try again right after the next moon landing.

Cheers!

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[Yann wrote]
"... tertiary/inactive text (e.g. the dark grey used in quick links for items with no data) ... do not meet the contrast criteria for legibility. In this case, legibility was considered a secondary function since they are primarily meant to represent an in-active/disabled state."
"Disabled"?  Pardon if I interpret that term too literally.  A sub-page that simply contains "no data" is not "disabled".  The link to that sub-page will appear in the low-contrast state, but the link is not "disabled".

When a data sub-page contains "no data" (and the link to it is in the low-contrast state), you might ask: Why would anyone want to visit that sub-page?  Well, perhaps a contributor might want to visit it, intending to use that sub-page's specific update menu to add some new data there.

Likewise, when a title's message board has no posts (and the "Message Board" link is in the low-contrast state), you might ask: Why would anyone want to visit an empty board?  To post the first message there, that's why!

So, there are legitimate reasons why people sometimes visit sub-pages that do not yet contain data.  I therefore opine that the links to such pages should ideally be designed for "legibility" (ideally complying with the WCAG contrast criteria that Yann mentioned), if that would not be impractical.  ... Just my opinion.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Get back the year WITH the title on top, please. Ex. "Star Trek" is ambiguous, "S....

Get back the year WITH the title on top, please. Ex. "Star Trek" is ambiguous, "Star Trek (2009)" is not.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New design - where's the YEAR?.

New design - where's the YEAR? (I'm getting release year in Sweden, yes, I'm in Sweden but who cares about Swedish release - one wants to know the official year the film was made!
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I think that it's cool to have a relaxed work environment, but they should stop letting IMDB workers drink on the job.  No sober person would change the old display to this new one.
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randy,

Thanks for the feedback and the straight line. I tend to agree that the new design does not seem to offer any tangible improvement. However, I've not had the opportunity to fully explore the new design, so I will withhold judgement.

I wrote the criteria so we as a user community remain focused on offering constructive advice to make a great website even better.

Finally, I learned humility regarding web development when I lead a disastrous development effort for an internal corporate website 15 years ago.
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I agree with randy, the majority of these questions (1, 2, 4, 6 and maybe 7) can be answered with "no".
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The answer to these questions will be determined quantitatively by looking at the engagement mertics we are gathering from running this test. It will take a least 4 weeks for the data to become statistically significant, at which point we'll know for certain.
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The answer to these questions will be determined quantitatively by looking at the engagement metrics ....
I assume that a majority of users may quietly accept such redesigns without complaint.  Will that suffice to satisfy a quantitative evaluation?

(I guess this may be how some other major web properties have sometimes settled on controversial redesigns.  Vocal minorities of users may complain but perhaps the large majority might appear to have no problems with the changes.)
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"Nobody" hits the nail on the head with the statements above.  This is similar to the risk aversion problem: in an attempt to keep a small vocal group from complaining, you alienate the larger (mostly quieter) majority.  Ever been on a plane or in a confined group?  Most everyone will be made slightly unhappy to keep one person from being very unhappy.
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I use to old IMDb design this is so bad 
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Then why mention them if they don't generally apply? That's just a waste of time isn't it?
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Doesn't matter what browser I use, it's still the same for me...
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@Michael David
Then why mention them if they don't generally apply? That's just a waste of time isn't it?
I'm not certain whether you are referring to my comment. If you did: when I posted about the Firefox and Google Chrome browsers, I made the baseless assumption that this these browsers were excluded form the test. Peter, corrected my misstatement.

Peter wrote:
It is a test, but the browser differences that Dan mentions do not apply in general.
@RamuelSpirit
I have tried all possible browsers but all see the gray background with white writing...
This is not a test anymore ....
This is still a test. Only a limited number of users are affected by this test.

Col Needham wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. This is a limited test of a new title page design which is only being shown to some customers.  We are gathering data and feedback at the moment.  

Please add comments here if there are other issues.  The design team have been alerted to this thread.
Yann wrote:
The answer to these questions will be determined quantitatively by looking at the engagement mertics we are gathering from running this test. It will take a least 4 weeks for the data to become statistically significant, at which point we'll know for certain.
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Thx everyone for your ideas+ and feedback.
 
This part is in response to Dan Dassow: I've been using Firefox, so... next, I tried changing the preferences as you suggested--only thing is now either the IMDB website people changed up the look again or I've somehow managed to get faaaaaar away from what I'm hoping to see, which is pretty simple, actually...

Okay, hold on, wait a minute, I just went to look at what I changed/checked off in my preferences and NOW I'm seeing the view I like (picture, title, rating, blurb, pics, the "if you like this you might like these" blurb, cast listing, etc.) Okay, so I "Grabbed" a photo of it and I'm attaching it for a visual reference... i guess either the gods/goddesses of imdb smiled upon me and i've got good karma here or i somehow lucked out and stumbled upon the way to make my view a happy one or i owe you, Dan Dassow, many thanks, so THANK YOU Dan, the powers that be at IMDB, and of course me, myself...
Have a fun day, everyone!
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BTW, did i mention how much i love IMDB? I LOVE THIS SITE, IMDB TOTALLY ROCKS!!!
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I concur! I'm sorry to say but I do really hate the new design of the title header. Now you don't get the overview as before and the original rating bar was really useful in order to decide whenever you want to watch the movie or not and it was easy to give feedback.

If the intention is to make this the default design, please add an option to get back the original design which was way better!

Pretty please with sugar on top !! ;-)
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Thanks in advance!



Ps...
Please listen to the imdb users before you let in a "design guru" to go bananas on the site and secondly, please focus on functionality before you start playing around.
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Lars- the voice of reason- I DO hope your comments are heeded! Well said.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New IMDB page setup (WHY?!).

The IMDB set-up was AWESOME if not PERFECT! Why change something that (probably after years of experimentation) is set up in an easy-to-use-and-navigate manner, most likely the best way it can possibly be--and trade it for a less-than-average/under-par setup?! LOVED the former set-up, this new one SUCKS and is not easy to navigate or user friendly! Why feed some website-designer's ego ('specially when their work is obviously "less than"), feed your users/customers! Thank you!
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That's what people said the last time they changed the layout.
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I'm not dissing change itself, I'm down with change--that is, if the change is an improvement, making life smoother/easier and NOT more annoying/frustrating. When I take minutes of my precious time to post or email about someone or something (like this), it's either so awful or so awesome that it really demands attention...

What i find most aggravating with this set-up is the placement of a video right at the top of the page, so if you're jamming around (like me), the mouse dragging across the page inevitably engages the "play" button, THEN as you wait a moment for the spinning circle to stop, some stupid ad pops up instead and you're more than annoyed now because more clicks are required of YOU and it's all so unnecessary and kind of ridiculous...
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I TOTALLY agree with your opinion- I hope the original design is reinstated.
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@Peter
That's what people said the last time they changed the layout.
I agree. That is why I will withhold judgement about the change in general until I've had a chance to benchmark the proposed "new" version.
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This The missing release year is a fairly disastrous deal breaker for me.  That year is PART OF THE TITLE on your site.  It's what differentiates movies with the same title.  The year you are showing does not always match the official release year.  At minimum, this must be fixed.
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I believe enough people have raised their concerns with the new design. I'm not adding to it but I must plead not to implement it at all. It looks good without it & a change seems unnecessary in here.
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The more people complain about the new design the better and the more likely IMDB is to take notice. You're encouraging people not to bother commenting by making that statement.
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@Michael David
The more people complain about the new design the better and the more likely IMDB is to take notice. You're encouraging people not to bother commenting by making that statement.
I agree in principle. The web design staff need constructive criticism on what works and what does not work.

@Arun Regi Alex
If you have concerns and/or suggestions regarding the proposed "new" title page format, please express them in this thread.
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It's not that I don't have constructive criticism but it's already being addressed by multiple persons. While me commenting might add weight to the seriousness of the matter, I really don't see a point in it. I commented in layman terms because they need to know how an average IMDB user feels about the proposed change.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled I do not like the new format..

Please put back the production year of a movie next to the movie title at the top of the page.
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This design is horrible beside of dark background deforms posters . Here a example :

 

If click on poster all is normal :


You can call this an improvement ?! 
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OpHaNiM,
the problem here is that this poster isn't sized to match the industry standard set for one-sheets. See: http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?photosspecs
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New design is TERRIBLE!!!.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE reinstate the original WHITE background(& send the designer back to art school- grey background indeed. Absolutely HOPELESS!)
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Just because it is a great site, does not rule out their capability of being stupid on occasion.

This is one of those occasions!

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This is for Yann. I understood and used your instruction. Worked OK. But this morning I didnt get the picture, I used yesterday (like the one in your instructions). I have access to my lists, but no possibility to add to them.
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I have heard some Imdb professionals/employees here arguing against 'If it ain't broken, don't fix' philosophy. While I agree with his arguments against this philosophy that we should strive for improvement and progress, and sticking with that philosophy stops progress and improvement, I do have to say something.
His argument for improvement would have been totally justified if Imdb didn't have any other issues. I am wondering that with so many open issues, why the Imdb management is not trying to fix those first, make the website bug/issue/error free, and then think about improving something which is working fine and is issue-free.
Just wanted to mention on a side-note, that I do like the new design except the only fact that now I have to scroll down everytime to read the plot summary on a movie page with trailer.
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Previously, it was easy to add a film to my Watch list. Now I get the feeling IMDb is trying to do away with it. It has been my primary reason for using the site.
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It's the plus sign beside the movie title.  That's how you add it to your watchlist.
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I agree, extremely confusing, hard to find the place to rate the films, to add to your lists etc
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If IMDb wants to fix something, how about fixing the fact that when you navigate to an individual's credits, then go back, you NEVER get back to where you just were! Instead, you accidentally get taken you to the person's first section of credits, and opens that up.

For example, I was just looking up John Carpenter's directing credits.  I clicked on a specific film and checked it out.  Fine so far.  But then, where it took me back to?  His MUSIC credits!  His first category at the top of the page.. exactly what I DIDN'T want to see!

Lousy, bad design.  Terrible.  Simply not acceptable for the most important movie database in the history of the world!
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Aesthetics over functionality seems to be what IMDb is trying to achieve.

When it don't work FIX IT. Don't paint over it.
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Absolutely despise the new design. Rating and/or adding movies to my watchlist were simple one-click processes. Now you've added an unnecessary step to rating and hidden the add-to-watchlist button on another page. Boo, IMDB. Why do internet companies always insist on "fixing" what isn't broken?
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I thought the previous design was pretty much perfect, but I accept that websites always undergo change at some point. So I can live with the grey heading and having links up there if you want. But PLEASE - get rid of the trailer placement (trailers are not why we come to IMDb) and put the rating stars, plot summary, and director/cast back where they used to be (next to the poster). The rating aspect is probably IMDb's best feature and it'd be a shame for it to become unimportant (new users will barely pay any attention to it hidden away in the corner), and the plot summary and key personnel are obviously very important. Also, please make sure the year stays in brackets next to the title.
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Some time ago you were able to push back the trailer window with an arrow which was really convenient. This functionality has unfortunately been removed and it's really hard to understand why...
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Date Missing with new design.

With your recent new design in the top of the movie pages, the year of the movie is no longer available. I think it's an important information that should be kept.  
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how many bad reviews is it going to take before IMDb realizes the members (and non-members) WANT THE OLD FORMAT BACK ???

if the designers need something to do, have them re-design the lobby break rooms, & restrooms.
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@gwmax44907

I also dislike the proposed new design. However, let's consider the quandary that the IMDb website designers and IMDb in general face: how does IMDb attract new users without alienating their core users.

I've seen multiple posts on Get Satisfaction from users that love flashy promotional pages advertising films. Here are some examples:

Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/

The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2 (2015)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1951266/

Bridge of Spies (2015) 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3682448/

I personally dislike these special promotional pages, since I find them more difficult to use. I also find these pages difficult to read and distracting. I get headaches after viewing this pages more than a minute.

I suspect that these special promotional title pages get significantly more page views than the current standard view. I also suspect that user surveys have indicated a preference for these kind of flashy pages. I suspect that people who prefer flashy pages tend to use only a small part of IMDb's functionality and are infrequent visitors to IMDb.

In contrast, the core users of IMDb (those who use IMDb daily) generally are more concerned with ease of use, good readability, logical and consistent navigation, and sound website design practices.
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Please add (again) the year of release next to the title of the film/series.
I can't possibly imagine what made you to remove it in the first place.
It's great to know the release date of a film in your own country, but it certainly isn't enough. Numerous films have been released in countries many years after they first aired in cinemas somewhere else in the world. To not know that fact, the original release date, robs you of many things, quite often of the right perspective.
It's not unnecessary information. It's vital !!!
BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL YEAR OF RELEASE NEXT TO THE TITLE !!!
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Could you please put the year back next to the movie titles? This is VERY annoying.
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I totally aree! Among the many bad changes, this one is perhaps the worst!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled year not showing anymore.

the year does not show anymore when accessing a movie.
it used to show.why is it now missing?
it would alot easier to determine the correct movie if the year shows.
tony
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled The Year of Production is gone.

The Year of Production is gone. I only see it in search results, not anymore on the full info page (where it should be next to the title). Please put this back. Note that release dats is not YOP.
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tony lochner

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the movie title is just the title. without the year included next to it, it doesn't specify the exact movie
since some titles are short or the titles are used and repeated over and over again. we need to glance at the title and see that it is the correct movie. we also need to include that in our databases.

please put the year back in the title.

tony lochner
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Christian van Beers

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Please change it back or at least give us an option to choose in our profile.
Or is this site run by a dictator?

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