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I am being harassed by someone online, whose identity I do not know, since April this year. I have reported it to the police as well as to IMDB support however this person is still at it. They have now taken to spreading lies and getting my credits erased as IMDB support finally stopped them from editing my bio (they were posting all kinds of things on it). This person apparently also started their own thread here and is going by the name of "anton". The thread is called "actress with fake credits". Please do not listen to this person and help me block them from accessing my profile. You are welcome to call the Irish Police (Garda) and verify that I have a large file on this person's actions. If there is anything you can do to keep my career safe from this person, please do so. Ive been fighting this battle on IMDB for months.
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Adam: If IMDb had followed that policy from the start, it would never have had pages for people such as Alfred Hitchcock, Walt Disney, Charlie Chaplin, Orson Welles, Marilyn Monroe, Humphrey Bogart, and John Wayne, all of whom died before IMDb was founded.

Even if you only wanted to allow living people to control their own pages, you have to take into consideration that some people have important aspects of their lives that should be included, but that they would not want to include on their IMDb pages if they had control of them. (See the biographical trivia pages of Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby, for example.)

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True, however if IMDB is imformed of harassment, they should do more to stop it.
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Katarzyna: I recommend that you address your concerns in the other thread at https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/actress-with-fake-credits, where you have already posted, in order to get the correct credits restored.

If you provide evidence, in the form of screen shots of your name shown on screen (for the work where you were credited) or of yourself clearly visible and recognizable in the film/TV show (for the work where you were uncredited), you should be able to have your entries restored to IMDb.

I hope this helps.

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Thank you, the issue is that I do not have copies of the films. Id happily Screenshot myself if I could. But the fact also stands that I did get paid for these roles and was filmed in them.. whether or not it ended up in the edit I am not sure as I haven't seen the films. I am sure most actresses are in the same boat and do not watch everything they do. I can prove that I am being harassed over and over again VERY easily though.
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Hi,  Did you by chance keep your call sheets? You can resubmit the removed credits with that as proof. Possible Jpeg of pays stub? There are other forms of proof that the IMDb will take into consideration. Sorry I did not find your website sooner so you could reply in a timely fashion. My Bad. Hope you can forgive me. All this happened late last night (Pacific time USA) Did not expect that this would be dealt with so swiftly.

Maybe Michelle an Employee of IMDB might find it in her heart to weigh in on this so as to ask you to provide specific information that only you could provide through the contact e-mail for support.
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Hi Cliff, I have never heard of this forum before...if I had, I may have used this rsther than going through IMDB pro support as that takes ages. I did sibmit the bottom of my paystub but I dont safe showing the entire thing. I didnt have a call sheet. I was called when to come in, had a fitting, and was told the day of what my line would be. It was a fairly low budget production and things were not planned out as much as Ive had with othe productions. However, to be honest, if I did have a callsheet, after a year and half I probably wouldnt have it on me either way :/

Thank you sooooo much for letting me know about this. I honestly so appreciate it as I had no idea why they were taken down.
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As for your pay stub you could redact your address etc and submit it by way of the IMDb Contact. Wait for an IMDb employee to come along. They will give you the link here so it can be submitted privately. Cheers
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Or do the same thing by resubmitting the credits with proof. This time in the attributes you need to chose Un-credited.
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Cliff, how do you do uncredited? I did not see an option for it when submitting...
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Hi, Katarzyna Anna Czarska Kraut. It's a filmography attribute.
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Show you in a minute.
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See the little arrow next to the uncredited and the 3 little lines next to it. Choose it to get the dropdown box

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Ooooooh! Wow. I did not know. Okay. So maybe I should credit myself as Voice/uncredited?
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Turns out the cut out my image footage BUT my line is still in the dialogue
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That IS the most accurate description.
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At this point I suppose it would be. However, I am certain no other actress has to go through this crazy business that has gone on here to simply prove she was in a miniseries. This guy has it out for me, god knows why. Most people would never see the final edit only do the work, take the payment, and add the credit. This is usually what happens. I posted the credit with an honest intention. Who on earth goes through this much trouble to mess with someone in a small pond like me? Like why? I wish I knew to be honest. But as it stands, my dialogue is in it so I will credit myself as voice. This is still ridiculous to me as I honestly thought I would be shown With the dialogue. It was great seeing one of my friends in the same film though:) one nice thing to take away from this awful endeavour. I wish this person would just stop..its been 6 months. Like enough is enough. Dont they have a life? Something better to do than to keep trying to mess with me? Eventually they will be caught and I keep adding to the harassment file. But for now... sigh :/ I wholeheartedly appreciate people like you who look into things (my homepage for instance) and allowing for an explanation instead of simply going by what some random person is saying. Thank you for helping.
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Do more to stop harassment? Such as what?
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Sorry never responded to this somehow. If IMDB becomes aware that this kind of thing is happening (and there is quite a trail of it for them to see on their end), they need to at the LEAST put on pause any edits from outsiders, especially THE SAME edits that keep getting taken down..then put up..then taken down..saying exactly the same stuff or sometimes even worse. Like who would sign off on a bio edit for an actress that says ". She enjoys spending her free time on various business endeavors, writing, DANCING FOR THE CAMERA (this one added), creating, and most of all-- learning" ?? Among many other such added items when it has been reported numerous times that there is someone harassing me? And when the edits keeps getting taken down and them reposted? (I am omitting the rest of the awful things theyve said as I dont even want them on HERE) But what i am saying is, if someone brings it to their attention and there is a trail of evidence that someone is persistently trying to mess up the page, why do they keep allowing edits by the same person over and over? Ive known other people who have had this issue as well. IMDB does very little to stop harassment.
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Nobody owns the IMDb name page about him/her, just as nobody owns the Wikipedia article about him/her. The page is not an account. A person can control some of the details on "his"/"her" page but only the vanity aspects and contact information aspects of it.
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Furthermore, IMDb neither ever was obligated to allow people to control any aspects of the pages about them nor is obligated to allow such a thing in perpetuity. IMDbPro incorporates a luxury service that helps satisfy people who are or desired to be immersed in the motion picture entertainment industry/scholarship.
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what year did imdb start
1990.
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if you are alive you should control your own page I never said about the dead 
So if Phil Spector requests to have the following item removed from his biographical page at https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0817489/bio, should IMDb remove it?
On February 3, 2003, he was arrested and charged with first-degree murder after Lana Clarkson was shot to death in his home in Alhambra, CA. In April 2007 he went on trial in Los Angeles. On April 13, 2009, he was convicted of second-degree murder. On May 29 he was sentenced to 19 years to life in prison (he will not be eligible for parole until 2028, when he'll be 88 years old. If he doesn't get parole then, by California law his sentence will become a life term). He is serving his sentence at the California Substance Abuse Treatment Facility and State Prison in Corcoran. He was also ordered to pay $16,800 in funeral expenses and more than $9,700 to a state victim's assistance fund.
I would not support allowing people to control the IMDb pages about themselves since some people would omit significant relevant information or just make up false information.
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Hi Katarzyna,

IMDb is a user generated database. Any user may amend or add data to an IMDb page as long as it is factual and in line with the policies as outlined in our submission guides. Please feel free to contact us directly regarding any inaccuracies on your page via the contact us form selecting the IMDb Fan/Contributor questions and choosing the options that most apply to the particular situation at hand and our data editors will be happy to take a look. 

Regards,
Will 
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I have. This keeps happening. Are you hearing what I am saying? I am very uspet that I have keep putting i this much time every week to clear things up on your site.
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I have. Over and over and over. I dont understand why I have to keep changing it back repeatedly and dealing with this for hours every week trying to clear my name and the information. Someone is harassing me but yet IMDB is allowing it to continue.
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If somebody has not used a communication medium under the control of IMDb to abuse another person, there is nothing IMDb can do about it. I mean no offense anybody, but there is such a thing as a persecution complex, and hopefully nobody on this forum is suffering from it.
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I am speaking of IMDB. This is what they have used (among others). And it isnt a complex, this has been ongoing for months and I have a lot of proof on the matter.

Jeorj, I am unsure exactly what you are trying to do here. Have you read what I have said about Anton? Does it makes sense to you that someone would be going through this to such lengths? And that he has not posted about ANYTHING else? That he only started on here, with his "passion for accuracy ", the same day he decided to write this post? And the only post he has written is about ME? Does this not seem fishy on its own to you? That he claims to care so much about accuracy...but only when its to do with a small budget tv miniseries and ME?
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I've read it, but I do not completely absolutely believe it.
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Contact the Leixlip Garda station, officer Mark, and ask them.
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Only started his account on the second. Only posting about ME.
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What anton has done posted on the forum neither violates IMDb policy nor the law.
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Jeorj, she is referring to events prior to this. What you are saying is obvious. She knows this. What she is saying that after all that she said, He has mysteriously "Disappeared"!
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So?
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SEE BELOW
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Previous thread was closed to comments by an employee. So I am responding here, again. I HAVE contacted support about this issue NUMEROUS times. Instead of helping ME you are helping my attacker. Why is IMDB siding with someone that has been harassing me for 6 months on all kinds of platforms? There is no support number so all I have is email and it takes days receive a response and Im obviously not getting anywhere even with that. This has been ongoing and IMDB is allowing it to continue. Why?
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It's the weekend. Ya might not get a reply back till Monday.
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Also I checked the top. Its been marked answered. An employee probably won't reply at all.
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Katarzyna Anna Czarska Kraut, if you know of any specific content on IMDb that is libelous, slanderous, graphic, erroneous or which violates copyright, please try to delete/correct it yourself or submit a report through the IMDb contact form, and make sure that your complaint or notice is pertinent to IMDb's purposes rather than that of law enforcement.
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Already done. And keep having issues. but what is your problem Jeorj? This person is trying to ruin my career and harm me personally. Why do you keep siding with them? Honestly, answer that. Why do you keep siding with them? Are you simply being stubborn or do you not see the harm in this persons actions? Did you see that they also emailed my agent the same night they started this post? What kind of person does that? Again, I have loads of other things I can post showing you the harassment but I think you can see, just from these posts and the fact that he tried to get my agent against me, that this person is out to harm me. Just ME. This person does not care about "Accuracy", they are WAITING for ways to ruin my career. He WAITED until the film came out for public viewing (I had tried to view it myself a few months back but couldnt find it anywhere). He is likely going through something systematically and trying to find ANYTHING he can mess with me on, even honest mistakes. How do you not see this? Honestly, if he was not out to harm me, he would not be messaging my agent. Right? So that alone, shows ill-intent. His first post called me a fake and a liar, which I am not. I have footage on my webpage from some of the productions listed on my IMDB page. As Cliff said previously, If I wanted to LIE, wouldn't I add more than 2 TINY credits in low budget productions? Like why? Wouldnt I try to do more? Anyway... honestly, I am a bit annoyed at your persistence to defend this person's actions. You have no idea the things he has gone through and said to and about me. I don't even know this person! From what he has shown, he is someone who found me online and decided to obsess over me. This person is sick. Who spends 6 months trying to ruin someone they don't even know, for no real reason? I mean even WITH a reason, who would do this? Only someone who isn't mentally stable. Please stop sticking up for this person's actions. You don't know anything about the situation.
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Well, I've not directly witnessed any harm, and it possible that the IMDb company (which has access to the change logs of the site) hasn't either.
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If you do not see any harm in even what has gone on here, then there is no reasoning with you and no point for me to continue talking to you. I do not have anything to prove to you personally. Wish you all the best.

As for the moderator, I have contacted you guys again and again and this is being allowed to continue. Please help.
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Also Jeorj, Once Anna became involved on the other thread, Anton quit replying. Odd would you not say?
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So? It's not like IMDb can track down the puppeteer of a sock account.
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Jeorj,
Online harassment, sometimes referred to as “cyberharassment,” usually pertains to threatening or harassing emails, instant messages, or website entries. ... To be considered cyberstalking, the behavior must pose a credible threat of harm to the victim. All states have anti-stalking laws, but the legal definitions vary.Dec 14, 2016

credible threat of harm to the victim

Harm to the victim. Career damaged by false claims.

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Laws have been broken.
She is in Ireland
Are you up on U.K. Law?
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Laws may have been broken. There is no evidence of it. Furthermore there is sign of content in and of itself that constitutes contraband, libel, slander or even harassment. The situation is not IMDb's responsibility. If it was, then IMDb would have been served with a warrant or a subpoena already, for fuck's sake.
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Jeorj, No bad word in front of the kids. Wash your mouth out with soap!
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Cliff,

Ireland is not UK...
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The full moniker of "UK" is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", though.
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Yes but if you state Ireland as such, this implies the Republic of Ireland, aka Eire, which is a different country, with its own laws.

The difference between Ireland and Northern Ireland is the biggest thorn in the Brexit negociation... :)
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That's an interesting way to look at it. What is also interesting is that a number of nations are or were treated like territorial possessions of the crown. To what extent does the law of the United Kingdom apply in the Republic of Ireland?
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Please, Jeorj, this is 2018, the age of Internet and Wikipedia...
It is almost like saying that British Common Law applies in Australia or Canada or French law applies to Senegal or Ivory Coast: not entirely false but very far from being true!
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My Bad. Ireland is a loner. You are right. So my statement still applies. Substitute all UK's to Ireland!
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Fine with me :)
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Typical American arrogance.  Vive la France! Oh I forgot I live in America too.
Bad American, no french fries for you!!! LOL Or I mean ME!
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No, just a sheer shameless ignorance of World geography and politics!
But I love the Americans too :D

BTW, don't you ever sleep? ;)
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Power naps. I am about ready for another nap. Have a person bring a Toyota SR5 pickup to me in about 2-3 Hours. 5-6AM. Trading it for Body work. Self Employment has its perks. Just woke up an hour and a half ago from one of those naps.
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Now, that's what I'm talking about.
[cheers]
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Laws may have been broken. There is no evidence of it.

She has evidence you have not seen. How can you possibly, intelligently, comment on something you can't see or know of?
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So she claims.
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Well, if she does not share the evidence on this public forum, what the use of complaining about it here?
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That's what I'm wondering.
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Because the moderators have done NOTHING to stop this person from doing this over and over. I spend hours every week trying to clewr my page of their junk. And Id like it to stop.
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That would be discovery. We are not worthy. She need not prove anything here whatsoever. Thru the IMDb Contact you told her about she may do this. Do you think for one minute you think it wise to post for the whole world to see what ya got?
Jeorj. Lets play Poker. Your cards face me! Your bet!
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Katarzyna Anna Czarska Kraut, so you're out to "expose IMDb" on a forum that is controlled by the IMDb company? How many times has the IMDb page about you been vandalized? Do you even have an example of the vandalism on IMDb·Com itself (not GetSatisfaction·Com but the main IMDb site)?
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No...the person harassing me used this forum to remove my credits and therefore I am using this forum to try to get IMDB to help me with this harassment issue. I am not trying to "OUT" them, I am asking for their help. Jeorj, it doesnt seem like you have anything to contribute here so maybe stop wasting your and everyone elses time.

Moderator, please do something other than ask me to contact support which I have done time and again.
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And what if they can be of zero assistance? Then what?
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If it was, then IMDb would have been served with a warrant or a subpoena

In this case IMDb would not be served with a warrant. It would only get a Subpoena of Duces Tecum.
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Tha'ts the US. Don't know what it is in the U.K.
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The police are in the process of contacting them. And yes, I do have evidence and a lot of it but this is public here and Im being careful what I post. Again, just from the email to my agent you can see intended harm. And even just from the way the first post was posted. Very insulting and trying to ruin my credibility in general.
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Well, good luck.