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Hi everyone,

all Conversations authored by me on Get Satisfaction have been deleted, and apparently my IMDb account too, because it is inaccessible. The mails informing me about this issue say that Col Needham gave this reason: Troll.

Thanks to Peter and Dan, my ability to post anything on GS was restored. Intermittently, trying to do so resulted in a message that said, “Sorry! Your participation privileges were suspended by Community Managers for persistent abusive behavior: Troll.”

The only reason that might explain this issue is the recent suggestion of one specific poll. It was titled "IMDb - The Nail in the Coffin" and dealt with hypothetical changes to the site that might cause the voter to leave permanently. It was intended to be humorous and as far as I can see, not hate-inducing.

I don’t see the point of further suggesting polls without my old IMDb account. Neither do I feel very comfortable here when the ultimate possible punishment is exerted in such a way, without a chance to retrieve the losses. Maybe I’ll post something sporadically, the way bratface used to.

It’s a bummer, because pollmaking was fun, and there are such interesting, friendly, helpful, and creative people here. Thank you to all the poll board regulars.

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Dibyayan Chakravorty, Champion

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IMDb just lost another of it's talented poll author. You will be missed very badly, Alby.
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Hi everyone,
all Conversations authored by me on Get Satisfaction have been deleted,
and apparently my IMDb account too, because it is inaccessible.
by albstein
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Joined on February 20, 2017
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/people/albstein
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http://www.google.com/search?q=site:IMDb.com+"The Nail in the Coffin"

IMDb - The Nail in the Coffin
www.imdb.com/list/ls021545874/
by albstein
The fact that you take this poll means that you are still loyal to IMDb,
after changes to the site that made many users unhappy.
Which hypothetical decision would most likely finally end your "relationship" with IMDb?

The requested URL was not found on our server
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http://www.google.com/search?q=site:IMDb.com+albstein
lists by albstein ... About 2,410 results (0.29 seconds)  ??

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Other source:

albstein
IMDb member since Dec 2009
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur22567331/ The requested URL was not found on our server
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur22567331/comments - 26 reviews
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur22567331/lists -  250 Lists - Movies I've Seen: 2,494 Titles
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur22567331/ratings -  Ratings: 361 Titles
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur22567331/watchlist -  Watchlist: 897 Titles
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur22567331/pollResponses


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Question to ACT 1: if for any reason, one's account is deleted, do his reviews get deleted as well? I mean the 26 reviews that albstein wrote, where are they?
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Question to ACT 1:
if for any reason, one's account is deleted, do his reviews get deleted as well?
I mean the 26 reviews that albstein wrote, where are they?
by Sdk ElMaruecan
Joined on March 1, 2017
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/people/sdk_elmaruecan_axg1z10yvc66p
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You could start a new thread and ask this

I do not know if reviews get deleted
Staff or Champions here can answer
(I do not do reviews )

Tried this - mixed up with lists and other off topics
https://www.google.com/search?q=site:IMDb.com+albstein+reviews

Pulp Fiction Reviews & Ratings - IMDb
www.imdb.com/title/tt0110912/reviews-2514
Author: albstein from Germany 30 March 2016.
*** This review may contain spoilers ***.
(2,389 Reviews Ordered By: Helpfulness)
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About Time Reviews & Ratings - IMDb
www.imdb.com/title/tt2194499/reviews-381
Author: albstein from Germany 3 March 2016.
*** This review may contain spoilers ***.
(418 Reviews Ordered By: Helpfulness)

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oh, and...

https://www.google.com/search?q=site:IMDb.com+albstein+poll+responses


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No thanks, I think I'll save my reviews before asking anything :)
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alb,

I'm glad you were able to make this post. 
There is no need to repeat my feelings, but I will at least say this again: you will truly be missed. 
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I didn’t saw the poll you made about IMDb, but I never read anything disturbing from you. So I’m very surprised about this. I can understand, poll making isn’t the same without your account. You will be missed, especially because there aren’t much poll makers from West Europe.
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So sad to hear that, I don't know if it's possible, but I hope you can have your account back. 
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Alb,

What do we have if not our freedom of speech? Regardless, I know your intent with polls like that was always in good fun (what else can we do amidst the flurry of changes to everything...?) but you will truly be missed. I hope you can come back to polls someday, your ideas were always provoking with that perfect dose of Woody Allen comedic wit. Your no troll in my books... if that helps :)

Take care friend and never lose the love for movies.
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I don't remember ever seeing anything "bad" or "insulting" from you. I will miss you and your contributions very much. Perhaps once you take a break you'll want to return after a while (happened to me) - I very much hope to see you back with us again. :(
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This is a shame. A misunderstanment and a terrible way to deal with things, censoring instead of listening and attacking instead of talking, means the IMDb and the poll making community has lost a very valuable member.

The people that is here and that works every day to generate content and participates on the site should be respected or at least get the benefit of the doubt.

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I honestly think they don't really care. And why should they? Maybe when the site started the "little people" were important if they were helping to build the site by submitting information. Now, submitting one list or one fact or one photo is like a water molecule in the ocean. The focus is on bigger things and, with a partnership with Amazon, more income.
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I'm pretty sure they don't care, the lost is on us, the rest of the community. Now we have one less person helping us make polls and content and someone less to learn and share with
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I honestly think they don't really care.
And why should they?
Maybe when the site started the "little people" were important
if they were helping to build the site by submitting information.
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Now:

84,467,000 Users
omarmorsy-09152
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur84467000/
Some are GONE

7,873,050 Titles
Emperatriz (TV Series) Episode #1.196  (1990)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7873050/
Some pages are blank
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7873000/

9,557,000 Names
Serhat Buga
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm9557000/
Some pages are blank
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm9556600/

Contributor Hall of Fame
https://contribute.imdb.com/czone/hall_of_fame


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We do care. The document at https://contribute.imdb.com/charter guides everything we do on contribution, whether it is polls, credits or any other content.  If we did not care about polls we would not have brought polls back when we could no longer support them in their original form.  If you still disagree, please read every one of the annual letters back to 1995 -> https://contribute.imdb.com/czone/top_msg and if even this is not enough, how about over 5,000 posts on here from me alone -> https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/people/col_needham or look at all the resolved issues and implemented ideas which are easily searchable here. 

What we also care about is a safe environment for our team, including on Get Satisfaction. We have a zero tolerance policy on trolling (see the IMDb message boards for what happens if you do not have such a policy). The poll read like a vicious attack on IMDb, following a long sequence of out-of-hand policy violating posts on here by other people. Therefore, the Get Satisfaction account was suspended and the underlying IMDb account was deleted, along with many others in recent weeks.  Peter & Dan contacted-us and vouched for the deleted account, so we restored the GS account.  It is not possible to restore deleted IMDb accounts or else we would have restored it too.  

BTW IMDb has been a wholly owned subsidiary of Amazon.com for 20 years this year so nothing you see here would have been possible without Amazon. 
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Does deleting an account delete every single contribution from the user, and by that I also mean the reviews he's written? Or will they stay on IMDb with just the code number?

Also Amazon of the last 20 Years ain't the Amazon of today, so I'm not sure we can make chronological leaps and consider that nothing hasn't changed much and the spirit is the same. We can't talk about movies anymore, which was the reason to be of IMDb.

As for the polls, I've been grateful for having them back in 2013 but at the same time, I was devastated when I realized the archive page that kept all the polls from 1999 to 2012 wasn't operational (which means most polls and stats were completely lost and with them years of contribution) and now, the frontpage is so overcrowded that the poll is visually marginalized.

We used to be a very creative team, but well, I can only speak for myself, I have lost the "will" with polls, it's like wasting your energy to make something a bit inventive, fun or informative but that will garner at the end only 300 miserable votes, while the polls that get their shot in the homepage are interesting at best, but they're clearly designed to get more votes rather than being fun and entertaining, it's just became a game of numbers.

And there's the reviews users updates...
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ElM, what do you think you will achieve by complaining about the polls all the time?
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Nothing, you're right. I'm just letting the steam off. It doesn't make me feel better. 

But just to let you know, I wasn't complaining in that particular post, only replying to the points regarding the polls. Sorry if it makes me sound like a whiner, can't help it.

I dedicated many years for this website, and it saddens me to realize that in some aspects, retrospectively, I kind of wasted my time... certainly not in the fun, friendly and enriching interactions I had with many users throughout the years, those are memories I will cherish, but all these recent updates had the "beginning of an end" feel... and some more recent changes were just the last stroke.

Maybe it's time for me to 'call it a day'...
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Thanks, I understand.
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Col. I have always appreciated you brought the poll back and I intend to be creating them and remaining part of this community. Indeed it was agreat day when they were back, and while the old system is fondly remembered, I have not many complaints with the new one.

I also think is great that you take the time to answer this thread and give an official response.

However, I would suggest thinking about the way users are perceiving the site. The feeling that IMDb no longer cares for them is increasong, not in this community, but in general, and I think it is specially worrysome when it comes to people that has been valuable and loyal members for many years.

This regretful incident unfortunately hit the poll community and costs us of one member or maybe more. We have lost other people in past months, but the feeling of IMDb neglecting its users goes, I think beyond this.

Hopefully it is indeed only a matter of perception, but it is something that should be solved, perception is an important part of every relation and that includes users with a web page or a company like IMDb or Amazon.


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Exactly, Pencho. I think we all try to embrace changes as positively as possible, and the fact that many of us stayed on IMDb during all these years is a credit to our loyalty and our dedication. But the fact that many users left the ship, like Rafael M, Jalapeno, BoltBailt or TheSocialIntrovert could also be an alarming sign.

The thing is, as users, we all try to contribute in a way that enables us to leave a mark, or to make something with a modest but durable value (polls, reviews or data contribution). The recent changes or updates have undermined this 'durability' we're seeking, basically, any feature can be removed right now, since they removed the message boards, which was the core, the meat of the website.

I try to get these IMDb Top 250 badges, but there's a little voice in my head telling me "why do you care? for all you know, maybe these badges won't even exist in the next six months" IMDb is far from being an empty shell, there's still a lot to do... but you can tell things aren't the way they used to be, and it all depends on one's capability to embrace the changes.

I try but it's hard.
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I am at a loss for words. I can understand not making the list a poll or even deleting the post, but to completely remove someone who has been a constant creator of insightful polls is just disheartening. 
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isn't free speech great? </SARCASM>
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That's the thing. The decisions to make the changes to IMDb (occurring from early 2017 all the way up to the present time) did not come easily and probably hurt just as great of a portion of the people who deal with the internal side of the IMDb interface as the portion of people on who deal public face of the IMDb interface. So, it is not like the IMDb lead official representatives would appreciate being mocked (made fun of), so to speak, over something like that. You want to generally be careful about teasing about the continued success of any organization with whom that you're doing business or have an account, and using platforms facilitated by that organization in doing so, especially if your membership comes at no charge.

I'm curious to know if the poll in question ever went live, because if it did, then whatever IMDb staff involved was probably docked if not demoted if not fired, depending on the gravity of the issue, such as if it would make for ugly headlines, unnerved corporate partners of the company, or a decline in profit margin, as in potential decline of net worth.

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