Live Poll: Dec. 19, 2018, Happy 175th Birthday Mr. Scrooge, Mr. Cratchet, Tiny Tim, and Everybody Else!

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On December 19, 1843, Charles Dickens published the first edition of his short story entitled "A Christmas Carol. In Prose. Being a Ghost Story of Christmas." This enduring classic, better known as "A Christmas Carol,” has seen many adaptations for stage, film and television since. It celebrated its 175th anniversary on December 19, 2018.

"A Christmas Carol” remains relevant to today despite much of the story being anachronistic. The Poor Law at that time financed the poorhouse, the Treadmill, and debtor prisons by taxing businesses. The taxes that Scrooge paid to finance these establishments have been repealed and faded into the past. In 1843, Christmas was not an official holiday in England, but a half day of business unless it fell on a Sunday, according to Royal Exchange rules. Hence the reason for Scrooge saying to Cratchit the statement about expecting the “All day tomorrow” off.

Dickens was an avid advocate for stronger copyright laws in England and internationally. He vehemently disliked people adapting and modifying the plot of his book; he did not receive royalties from these pirated adaptations, which frequently added characters and made significantly changes to the story.

Of these film and television adaptations, which do you believe Dickens would most approve?
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This poll is a mess and needs to be shortened up greatly.
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Scrooged  (1988)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096061/
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A selfish, cynical television executive
is haunted by three spirits bearing lessons on Christmas Eve.
Bill Murray   ...  Frank Cross 
David Johansen   ...  Ghost of Christmas Past
Carol Kane  Carol Kane   ...  Ghost of Christmas Present 
Robert Hammond   ...  Ghost of Christmas Future (uncredited) 

Pat McCormick   ...  Ghost of Christmas Present (TV) 
Chaz Conner   ...  Ghost of Christmas Future - TV 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Christmas_Carol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Christmas_Carol#/media/File:Charles_Dickens-A_Christmas_Carol-Title_...

Left-hand page shows Mr and Mrs Fezziwig dancing the right-hand page shows the words A Christmas Carol In Prose Being a Ghost Story of Christmas by Charles Dickens With illustrations by John Leech

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FYC The Man Who Invented Christmas
I like the "story behind the story" version

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Added. But read the note that I had added to it because Dickens really had a strong position to file a suit as an author. It was publishers who had a stronger position to file suits about piracy back then. Since Dickens was the publisher for the first time of his own book., he had a strong position it file a suit against Parsley. And that is what happened when he had won his case. It had cost him more than what he had won.
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A Christmas Carol  (2000)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0291816/
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An unscrupulous loan shark who makes excuses for his uncaring nature
learns real compassion when three ghosts visit him on Christmas Eve.
Ross Kemp   ...  Eddie Scrooge 
Michael Maloney   ...  Bob Cratchett 
Ray Fearon   ...  Jacob Marley 
Ben Tibber   ...  Tiny Tim Cratchet 
Ben Inigo Jones   ...  Ghost of Christmas Future

Ben Tibber reprised his role as Tiny Tim Cratchit from A Christmas Carol (1999).
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0216621/

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dgranger,

My vote:
Mister Magoo's Christmas Carol (1962 TV Movie)
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dgranger,

Please consider this major re-write of your introduction and question.

On December 19, 1843, Charles Dickens published the first edition of his novela entitled "A Christmas Carol. In Prose. Being a Ghost Story of Christmas." This enduring classic, better known as "A Christmas Carol,” has seen many adaptations for stage, film and television since. It celebrated its 175th anniversary on December 19, 2018.

"A Christmas Carol” remains relevant to today despite much of the story being anachronistic. The Poor Law at that time financed the poorhouse, the Treadmill, and debtor prisons by taxing businesses.  The taxes that Scrooge paid to finance these establishments have been repealed and faded into the past. In 1843, Christmas was not an official holiday in England, but a half day of business unless it fell on a Sunday, according to Royal Exchange rules.

Dickens was an avid advocate for stronger copyright laws in England and internationally. He vehemently disliked people adapting and modifying the plot of his novella; he did not receive royalties from these pirated adaptations, which frequently added characters and made significantly changes to the story.

Of these film and television adaptations, which do you believe Dickens would most approve?

After voting, please discuss and share some Christmas cheer.
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Edits done with a slight change. Dickens really did call the book a short story. Plus I had added a few quotes from the book. Thank you.
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Typos:

#1: 
While the score has few memorable songs to it, its major sin is the scene of Scrooge and Marley in hell. In that scene, Marley is out of character from the way Dickens wrote him.

#2:
.... Several of the stars recorded the songs from the play which were hit songs back in that day. Its main faults is that it deleted many of Dickens' scenes in order to fit the story into the one hour time slot, had Scrooge's living quarters in the same building as his business office (but I can see where they got the idea from since Scrooge lived in only three rooms ....
... Why? Maybe because, since it was England’s first attempt at welfare, it was also a means for businesses to forcefully collect their debts owed to them by forcing debtors to work off their debt if they didn’t have the money to pay their debts. Even Scrooge, in the book, never called the workhouse a “Worthy institution”.

#7: It stays faithful to Dickens' story.

#9: 
This is probably the worst offender of the lot. But yet, this is considered the definitive version of the Carol. Why? While it definitely relates to the audience how Scrooge did involuntary support "the Tread Mill Law", The Poor Law, the workhouses, poor houses and (debtor's) prisons through taxes on his business, ....

... This got the character of Scrooge right as being more as stingy or frugal and hurting damaged goods man and being more indifferent to the poor than what the other films portray him as. 

....The film has Belle going on to be a spinster helping other poor people. That is not what Dickens wrote. He wrote a scene of her as a mother with children and a family that could have been Scrooge’s but he lost that chance.

#10:
The only film I remember that includes the bit about the Dutch tiles in Scrooge's fireplace. It is performed by an actor...

#11:
...But it makes the same sins by including scenes and characters that are not in Dickens' book and excluded other scenes from the book.
...Dickens did write that and it is one of the few films to show it.

#13:
The original silent screen version.
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Edits done.
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dgranger,

Thank you for making the edits.

You still have one minor (but glaring) typo for #2:
WWhile it is not certainly ...

Should be:
While it is not certainly ...
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He seems to have been a man of great heart, so I guess he would have chosen the Muppets! ;)
So have nice Holidays.
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