Live Poll: Bloody Great Directorial Debuts

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It can be said about some debut movies that they are bloody great but how about taking the word a bit more literally? Let's consider all the famous (and somewhat infamous) directorial debuts known for a fair level of bloody or graphic images or a shocking effect that can make up for the lack of gore, in other words, violent movies.

Which of these violent directorial debuts is (in a pleasant way) the most disturbing?

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Wow, a great list. 

It might use a few additions, namely The Last House on the Left (1972) (Wes Craven), Mad Max (1979) (George Miller; very realistic traumas, expect no less from a physician-turned-director), Bad Taste (1987) (Peter Jackson's directorial debut only topped by Jackson's own Braindead in terms of jaw-dropping gore gags) and Begotten (1990).

That will be a tough poll to vote, very tough. I mean, The Evil Dead (1981) is a major inspiration for me as a no budget filmmaker (Sam Raimi is one of the most favorite directors, as well), but Man Bites Dog (1992) is, basically, one of my 25 most favorite movies.  
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Thanks a lot, buddy. I hate myself for having forgotten Jackon's Braindead, campy horror at best!
Man Bites Dog is an all-time favorite as well...
... so you're a no-budget film-maker, exactly how much "no budget" is enough to make a film? I'm curious...

EDIT: Ok, so it was Bad Taste before Braindead, I've always thought Braindead was the debut ...
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Well, I was always inspired by no-budget debuts like most of the aforementioned, so when in 2007 I had an idea I thought might work, I decided to pursue it and make my first feature. It took two years to make it into a (semi) proper script but I still filmed a few test shots here and there. I started to account budget from the moment when we actually started active pre-production, which happened in 2011. I'm yet to update budget according to a few recent months, but last time I updated it on IMDb it was UAH 15,318 which is roughly 587 in USD. I expect that when we will finally finish it the budget will be around 1,500$ (we hope to finish it this year and it will take some money). Most of the budget so far was spent on props, costumes, transportation and catering. Most of the cast and crew worked for free, generously donating their time (and, sometimes equipment). 

If you're interested, here it is on IMDb, although I'm really anxious about production stills and externally linked teaser trailer -  they are mostly outdated and not representative as they were mainly filmed on our first camera, a 2007 Mini-DV mini-disc camcorder. I switched to a newer HD Canon camcroder in 2015 and also filmed a few shots on 35mm Kodak film that year. As I am editing simultaneously with filming (in order to fasten the process), it becomes a bit of a nightmare to make all that look look okay, but spending some time color grading and fixing each and single shot I'm starting to believe it might work. We were forced to evacuate from a zone of war conflict in Donetsk in 2014, so production is very chaotic and all over the place. At some point almost every actor is doubled but in most cases said actors also double for someone in other shots as well, for example. 

I also have another passion project, a web-series, which is connected to the movie. We're in the middle of the first season which was properly started in 2016 (after being in production since 2012) and 30 minute episodes usually have a budget of UAH 1,000  (sometimes less, sometimes more) which seems fair, but converted to USD it is actually near 38$, most of which are spent on catering and the cheapest semi-studio location we have found in a current city of residence. :)   

Sorry for a large comment - I often get carried away easy on that subject. :)
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Don't be sorry for the length, it's the mark of a great passion when we can just keep talking and talking about it.

No matter how difficult it was and how long it took, just to have come to that finished result is a triumph already, that's how I figure it works... the first project can take forever but once you take off and make something that earns you a minimum of recognition, the next projects are easier to handle... I guess.

I never could make it past the screenwriting step, I've written dozens and dozens of potential scripts but I never could materialize them into movies, not even short movies.. I can film, I can edit, but know it's not enough.

How did you manage to lead all this project from beginning to end, did you have a steady job in parallel, did you have the support of your family? sometimes I believe one must be a bachelor in his twenties to really start well in movie business lol
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Well, I hope that when the movie will finally be there I will have that great sense of accomplishment. I guess I kind of ready for it and I kind of know how it feels: finishing some smaller projects, like episodes of aforementioned web-series give me a tiny bit of euphoria and sometimes that's enough to proceed with some aspects of a feature film as well. And I also hope that next projects will be easier: I'm polishing two ideas to film back-to-back as my next features and I'm trying to polish the scripts in such a way that they could be filmed with bare minimum but would still benefit in case I will acquire some form of budget. 

Scriptwriting is one of the hardest aspects of production: some people have a natural flow of ideas, some can turn these ideas into scripts one could film and some people just have to do this all by themselves and then can do a passable impersonation but it will ensue in some problematic scenes that will be changed midway through production. I am the last case - I write a lot, I won a few writing contest (both script and literature) and I have a literal ton of ideas for feature films, but turning these ideas into scripts so far took a lot of time and effort. 

Have you considered combining all the unfinished ideas into one script? I do that with shorts, webisodes etc. to make things faster and sometimes it results in much better things then what was envisioned separately. I just finished a short film that combines footage and props from an unfinished music video, some scenes and footage I filmed years ago etc. and it might be not the best one ever, but so far people are enjoying it and I finally have my mind free of some ideas: I might return to them one day but it will be much easier because I already had tested them in the short. Also it might help to collaborate with someone on the script. 

As for maintaining my will to finish the project for 10 years... When it all started in 2007 I was 15 years old. Now I am a postgraduate student with master's degree in political studies in international relations (It might seem far from movies but as I actually writing my thesis on the value of movies for international relations, I might argue that) and I'm juggling pursuing PhD with continuing the filming. I am technically a bachelor in my twenties, but I'm not sure that it makes things easier in any way. I'd say we are far from the end, but support from family and friends definitely helps and what also helps is to find some people with whom you can work on anything anytime, be it actors, composers, writers or a bit of anything. Despite some of these people in my case now live in other cities and even countries, they are still involved with the projects and whenever we can we do something together. I always give at least special thanks credits to them in almost everything I do and quite often it's more then special thanks, be it a small cameo, a leading role a writing collab etc. While director's vision do matter in filmmaking the lesson I learned the hard way and value a lot is that you can't do movies peoper without a few trusty friends/regulars (there are exceptions which confirm the rule, of course). In fact, getting all the needed people there has become my priority in budgeting: that I believe is what money should really spent on, as a bunch of creative and passionate people might still end up with better results then professional film crew with good tech, but an absolutely apathetic one. That doesn't mean, of course, that I am reluctant to use good professional crew member if I can. ;) 

Wow, that comment turned out to be even bigger. :)
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Sorry for being so late to answer,

I think it's very telling that this project came to your mind when you were 15, it had enough time to grow on you and to make it 'obvious' that you had to do something with filmmaking. I know it's not a matter of time or age, but I started with watching movies a lot before having this strong desire to make something of it but when it happened I was like 22 or 23 and was about to finish my studies.

Go tell your parents or your friends that all of sudden this thing that cost them a lot of money you're going to throw in a trash bin to "fulfill your dreams". I couldn't and so I worked and I studied screenwriting and film-making while I was working. The problem is that I oscillate between two attitudes: sometimes, I'm like "who am I kidding? let's get real" and some other times, I read a success story and I'm kind of envious because I realize it's very close to an idea I wrote or had in mind like 10 years ago.

I've been raised with all these "if you want it, you can do it", "anyone can succeed" slogans etc, this millennial bull---t. and once you confront reality, you realize that it doesn't work like in the movies. I left my first job because I had an opportunity to work with someone on a screenwriting project for a book adaptation, I was working for 3 years with a comfortable salary and I left it, that's how motivated I was. The guy cancelled our collaboration once he got the final draft... I thought I would find the movie released the next months... nothing... and now, he's dead anyway.

I could keep a second job but the movie fever caught me again and this time it almost threatened my marriage... one thing leading to another, I had to move to another country, and now I can't find a new job. I wrote several scripts, participated in so many contests that I lost track, but I noticed people who generally succeed are either from film schools, or belong to a family of producers or film-makers so they were raised in this environment or they're extremely motivated and made it clear from the start that they were going to work in this world.

I have countless projects in mind but I don't know anyone and you can't just reach people on social networks, they're generally as hungry as you, with their "personal projects" so there's a lot of creativity going but it's like we all cancel out each other.
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This is such a great poll with a great play on words. And the list has so many great movies, it's hard to choose. I really love this poll.

May I suggest two smalls edit? (below in bold
It can be said about some debut movies that they are bloody great but how about taking the words a bit more literally? Let's consider all the famous (and somewhat infamous) directorial debuts with a rating equal to or higher than 7.0 and known for a fair level of bloody or graphic images -- or a shocking effect that can make up for the lack of gore -- in other words, violent movies.

Thank you, Elmo! 

Now I have to choose between 'Blood Simple,' 'The Night of the Hunter,' or 'Badlands.' 'L'Age d'Or' is one of the movies I recommended in aa old poll that someone did about little-known gems before 1940 - oh, maybe it was my poll, lol. Your list is full of good movies. 
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No...thank YOU ruby ;) quite a list indeed...
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Oh, when I first voted, on this thread, I was thinking "favorite." I went to vote in the real poll and I realized that it say most disturbing, so I had to choose between 'Eraserhead' or 'Reservoir Dogs,' or even maybe 'Badlands,' albeit In a slightly different kind of way. 'Still a tough choice. 
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Done:)
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...and re-pushed. :)
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I just had an epic fail, accidentally voting for Targets (mouse sensibility)... Is there anyone who wanted to vote for it and can instead vote for Man Bites Dog?.. :)  
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You can vote again and change your vote :)
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Did that, great thanks! 
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